Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately

[UltimatePartyBear]

From MaryJane's link:

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A lot of folks have made a big hullabaloo about the PS3's lofty price tag, and I agree: it's an issue, though not necessarily a huge one if you look at the situation rationally. Compare the $500 base PS3 model to the $400 Xbox 360, and they're very similar from a features standpoint.

Why is it every yahoo who tries to "look at the situation rationally" assumes the Xbox 360 isn't too expensive?  You know what else the PS3 isn't very expensive next to?

a palatial mansion

the budget of a Hollywood blockbuster

a McLaren F1

a Space Shuttle

the River Nile

all the tea in China

lots of other things I have no interest in, just like the Xbox 360.

[Spak-Spang]

What people forget about the debate and I find funny is just last year Microsoft's Xbox 360 was looked at being an expensive system.

People were balking at the premium package as being too expensive for what you got...and that the core system is useless.

Now the PS3 comes out and its even more expensive and people forget that the Xbox 360 was on that edge of afford-ability already.

The comment that $499.99 for the low end PS3 isn't that much compared to what you get with the high end Xbox 360 is silly stupid...because the Xbox 360 is already priced out of the market.  The proof is simple...Microsoft has had over a year and has only sold 10 million world wide, whereas Nintendo is approaching 6 Million in 4-5 months time (with two of those months being off season for sales).  

The Wii may not be as graphically capable as the other next generation systems, but at least it is affordable for the masses, and as such people are buying it.

When you add an additional 100-200 on the price point of a luxury item people don't need then compare it to another luxury item already overpriced you aren't making a good argument.

[MaryJane]

The thing I think is most important about the price differences is what happens after you buy the product.

At one point in time I believed the price of the PS3 slightly justified when it seemed like all the best game would be heading to that console. However, laying down $600 for a pretty much gameless console is absolutely ludicrous.

If the situation were desperate enough, and the Wii wa completely up and running with all the games coming out this year and a strong online setup, I would see paying $600 for one as reasonable.

Paying $400 for an X360 isn't  bad wheb you think of the great games already released for it, and playing online without any major lag issues and with HD graphics it is totally reasonable.

Sony has a long way to go before proving their price is worth it. If they ever can.

[Kairon]

The PS3 sold around 230,000 odd systems in January. This may be a Sony Fanboi line, but that IS a lot of people who apparently think that $600 is worth it.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Blue Plant]

Or credit card abusers.  Probably credit card abusers.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
The PS3 sold around 230,000 odd systems in January. This may be a Sony Fanboi line, but that IS a lot of people who apparently think that $600 is worth it.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Not as many that bought a Wii though.

[hudsonhawk]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: Kairon
The PS3 sold around 230,000 odd systems in January. This may be a Sony Fanboi line, but that IS a lot of people who apparently think that $600 is worth it.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Not as many that bought a Wii though.

What difference does that make?  It's not a sports event.  40% of households have at least one console in them; that means there's room for multiple winners (and losers) within any given generation.  

The more diversity within that the better, if you ask me.    If there's one thing that all 3 companies have had their turn proving it's that monopolies are bad.    

[Spak-Spang]

Oh I am not saying the PS3 isn't a wonderful machine that people will find enjoyment out of.  I think that it has huge potential.  I just don't like that price argument...as if the price isn't or shouldn't be affecting sales, because it is.  

As it stands the end of 2007 and all of 2008 will be a huge year for the PS3...but by then Sony will probably have a price cut to compete with Microsoft...and then the early adopters are screwed.  

Whereas, with the Wii the price was affordable (for the most part) and earlier adopters are getting a worthy experience throughout the first year of the Wii's life.  The Wii most valuable asset is its variety that it has already proven to its supports with games, internet, weather, Miis, virtual console, news and much more.  

When a price cut for the Wii comes I will not feel like I have been ripped off, or that I should have waited.

[Ceric]

Thinking of a speech Iwata made I think it will be a long time before we see a Wii price drop.  Though he was addressing Videogame prices at that point.  

My Mom saw the price of the PS3 today and the first thing out of her mouth was that the price was ridiculous.  I explained a little of what she would get but still thought it was ridiculous.

[Kairon]

The way I see it, every PS3 sold is more or less one less XBox 360 sold. Don't forget: the Wii is "not competing!"

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Kairon
The way I see it, every PS3 sold is more or less one less XBox 360 sold. Don't forget: the Wii is "not competing!"

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Which is a load of crap, because the Wii is competing for consumer entertainment dollars. Personally I wouldn't shed one tear if the PS3 bombed, I personally have more faith and respect in Microsoft to compete with Nintendo than Sony. Sony has been bombastic and arrogant throughout this generation and I'd like to see nothing better then them to get mutilated by both Nintendo and Microsoft.

To hudsonhawk, those numbers do matter because in the grand scheme of things the 233 thousand does not matter, it still is painfully shy of getting Sony anywhere close to doing well.  Perhaps this will send a message to the gaming industry that innovation is the future, not rehashing other company's ideas, and slapping a 600$ price tag on it is the way to go.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Thinking of a speech Iwata made I think it will be a long time before we see a Wii price drop.  Though he was addressing Videogame prices at that point.  

My Mom saw the price of the PS3 today and the first thing out of her mouth was that the price was ridiculous.  I explained a little of what she would get but still thought it was ridiculous.

Your mom ain't the only one. Both of my parents, who are big technophobes, saw the price of the PS3 and were saying "What the f&ck is the PS3 made out of?".

[Kairon]

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Both of my parents, who are big technophobes, saw the price of the PS3 and were saying "What the f&ck is the PS3 made out of?".

POTENTIAL.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[MarioAllStar]

I think it's time you left these forums.

[KDR_11k]

If I wanted potential I'd buy a box of capacitors!

Oh, wait, I bought a Wii.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Krazy Ken Kutaragi Kaption Kompetition -- UK Resistance

Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:

Kaption 1

Kaption 2

Kaption 3

Kaption 4

Kaption 5

Kaption 6

Kaption 7

Kaption 8

Kaption 9

Kaption 10

and I'm not the only one that thinks there is some sort of bet going on

[capamerica]

My two cents:

I want to see Sony dead and gone, They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.

The PS3 is a OVER priced system that is only on par with the Xbox360. The only thing the Cell chip and Blu-Ray did was make the system over priced. When it comes down to graphics and a good controller the Xbox360 wins hands down. There is a reason why all of Sony's 3rd party system sellers are jumping ship and going multi-console. Mark my words Tekken, MGS4 and FFXIII will all be on the Xbox360.

The whole argument about price is BS. The reason we have the Core Xbox360 is so there is a $300 system which is priced at a point where people feel comfortable buying it, You don't need the $400 system to play Xbox360 games. Hell I bought the Core system myself by choice. I didn't need any of the stuff that came with the Premium so guess what I saved $100 which in turn went to buy some games for it. The only reason people buy the $400 pack is because its pretty much a value pack, they think their getting a good deal so they buy it.

The PS3 doesn't have a model that appeals to anyone except the diehard Sony fanboys. You go in to buy a PS3 and the first one you see is the over priced $600 model You can rarely find the $500 model and there is even talk that Sony is going to ax that model like they just did in the UK. And Hell if you can find a $500 model, for that price you can get a Xbox360 Premium Pack and 2 games!

When anyone goes into a store to pick up a Videogame console they are most likely going to buy a Wii. BUT When its a choice between the Xbox360 and the PS3 they will most likely buy the Xbox360, its $100 to $200 cheaper which speaks VERY loud, they have more games out for it, including many of your former Sony hits . XboxLive is FAR superior to Sony's joke of an online servers. And to top it off Xbox360 games looks better.

Screw the fact that PS3 has Blu-Ray, the next gen DVD war has pretty much fizzled out and nether side won. And truth be told both formats didn't bring anything to the table that is worth upgrading your DVD library too. Plus MS and Apple have the right idea, the future of Movies is downloadable not another disc based media format.

Its GameOver for Sony. Only the Diehard fans will buy it and even then those numbers will start to fade as more and more of Sony's series leave their system. DragonQuest already left who will be next to follow?

There is NO Potential with the PS3, everything it can do the Xbox360 can do and some times even better. The PS3 is an overpriced joke.

Long Live Wii60!  

[Ceric]

I have to disagree on the future of movies being downloadable.  Still to many hurdles.  Though I do think that the future is a smaller form factor and maybe not optical.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: capamerica
My two cents:

I want to see Sony dead and gone, They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.

The PS3 is a OVER priced system that is only on par with the Xbox360. The only thing the Cell chip and Blu-Ray did was make the system over priced. When it comes down to graphics and a good controller the Xbox360 wins hands down. There is a reason why all of Sony's 3rd party system sellers are jumping ship and going multi-console. Mark my words Tekken, MGS4 and FFXIII will all be on the Xbox360.

The whole argument about price is BS. The reason we have the Core Xbox360 is so there is a $300 system which is priced at a point where people feel comfortable buying it, You don't need the $400 system to play Xbox360 games. Hell I bought the Core system myself by choice. I didn't need any of the stuff that came with the Premium so guess what I saved $100 which in turn went to buy some games for it. The only reason people buy the $400 pack is because its pretty much a value pack, they think their getting a good deal so they buy it.

The PS3 doesn't have a model that appeals to anyone except the diehard Sony fanboys. You go in to buy a PS3 and the first one you see is the over priced $600 model You can rarely find the $500 model and there is even talk that Sony is going to ax that model like they just did in the UK. And Hell if you can find a $500 model, for that price you can get a Xbox360 Premium Pack and 2 games!

When anyone goes into a store to pick up a Videogame console they are most likely going to buy a Wii. BUT When its a choice between the Xbox360 and the PS3 they will most likely buy the Xbox360, its $100 to $200 cheaper which speaks VERY loud, they have more games out for it, including many of your former Sony hits . XboxLive is FAR superior to Sony's joke of an online servers. And to top it off Xbox360 games looks better.

Screw the fact that PS3 has Blu-Ray, the next gen DVD war has pretty much fizzled out and nether side won. And truth be told both formats didn't bring anything to the table that is worth upgrading your DVD library too. Plus MS and Apple have the right idea, the future of Movies is downloadable not another disc based media format.

Its GameOver for Sony. Only the Diehard fans will buy it and even then those numbers will start to fade as more and more of Sony's series leave their system. DragonQuest already left who will be next to follow?

There is NO Potential with the PS3, everything it can do the Xbox360 can do and some times even better. The PS3 is an overpriced joke.

Long Live Wii60!

Awesome post, I definately agree, personally I think MS deserves Kudos and success for what they did with the Xbox 360. It is a game built for gamers, with some killer software and a relatively fair price. With that said though I wouldn't want MS to dominate via a monopoly, then again I wouldn't want Sony or Nintendo either! Personally I'd rather see two console developers duke it out like Nintendo/Sony and Nintendo/Sega in the past. Then again if truth be told I'd rather two game developers duke it out for the console wars like Nintendo and Sega in the past.

[Kairon]

I often feel a warm giddy feeling seeing bad Sony news too. But I don't want to see them dead. I want to see them somewhat competent because I fear Microsoft with all my heart. The longer Sony lives, the longer Microsoft can't bear down full force on Nintendo.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Krazy Ken Kutaragi Kaption Kompetition -- UK Resistance

Some of my favorites, just incase the page changes:

Kaption 1

Kaption 2

Kaption 3

Kaption 4

Kaption 5

Kaption 6

Kaption 7

Kaption 8

Kaption 9

Kaption 10

and I'm not the only one that thinks there is some sort of bet going on

That was AMAZING... Is that place a Sega fansite or something? It's great to see news that the resistance is alive and well, and that all is not well in Playstation Land (aka Europe).

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Khushrenada]

I have no problem with Sony dying. Microsoft is never going to crack Japan. Sony, when operating correctly, can and therefore is more threatening than Microsoft will ever be. Moreover, Microsoft can do some innovation. Sony can't. A console war between MS and Nintendo might be one of the best since Nintendo/Sega. Not to mention, MS reflects Sega in a few ways.

It is true that Microsoft may win in North America but as long as Nintendo gets the lion's share of Japanese developers on their side, there will still be appeal for their console. That would leave Europe as the final battle ground and Europeans seem to be liking Nintendo's offerings lately. Again, in some ways, this would be close to Sega. Can't get much support in Japan, highly competative in North America. Can't remember the Europe situation.

[Kairon]

If only they WERE Sega though...

MS is VERY respectable. I just can't shake the feeling that they're a wolf in sheep's clothing.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Infernal Monkey]

Oh God, tears of laughter. I somehow missed this one when viewing the site yesterday.  

[BigJim]

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They deserve nothing less from what they have put Nintendo through.

lollerskates. Poor suffering Nintendo.