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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2950 on: February 28, 2010, 10:32:48 PM »
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« Reply #2951 on: February 28, 2010, 10:48:51 PM »
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games.  I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me.  Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?

Yeah, whatever Sony's doing.  :reggie:
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« Reply #2952 on: February 28, 2010, 10:59:05 PM »
I was playing Fifa earlier to day on my Phat PS3. I didn't have a problem.
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« Reply #2953 on: February 28, 2010, 11:00:00 PM »
Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games.  I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me.  Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?

Yeah, whatever Sony's doing.  :reggie:

Back off, Reggie.  I think Sony's going a good enough job of taking their own names without you needing to step in.  :P: :

This really sucks, especially since along with locking players out of their offline PS3 disc games there's also word of some players losing save and trophy data.  My own PS3 no longer has a working chronometer, so when I turn the system off it reboots with whatever time it had before.  Thankfully, the only data I've lost so far is my Star Ocean Trophy Data, and if I must start the game over when the issue gets fixed I'm near the beginning of the game anyway.
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2954 on: March 01, 2010, 12:09:00 AM »
**** no...it's happening to me!
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« Reply #2955 on: March 01, 2010, 12:12:53 AM »
Update via NeoGAF: the problem might be a hardware failure in the PS3's chronometer due to a leap-year bug, which triggered worldwide when Japan hit March 1st. There's speculation that this bug might fix itself sometime on Monday once Japan hits March 2nd, but if it doesn't we're going to need a firmware update very soon.

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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2957 on: March 01, 2010, 02:58:53 AM »
So I think Sony bricked my PS3. Thank Sony!

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« Reply #2958 on: March 01, 2010, 03:02:43 AM »
And there goes all the positive momentum the PS3 was enjoying over the last few months.

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« Reply #2959 on: March 01, 2010, 03:11:26 AM »
It's not a big deal if this is fixed by tomorrow.
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« Reply #2960 on: March 01, 2010, 04:02:08 AM »
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« Reply #2961 on: March 01, 2010, 04:29:36 AM »
UPDATE: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml

Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games.  I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me.  Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?

Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your PS3 to the newer model.
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« Reply #2962 on: March 01, 2010, 04:55:53 AM »
UPDATE: http://www.destructoid.com/psn-is-down-for-many-sony-on-the-case-165345.phtml

Whatever Sony's doing with the PSN, it's effectively bricked non-Slim PS3 models like mine since we can't access any PS3 games.  I'm not personally screwed so badly since I can still play PS2 and PS1 games on the thing (in fact, I'm playing Grandia for the first time as I type this), but this really angers me.  Did they really not bother to test this server update with the older PS3 models, and what does this mean for the day the Playstation Network eventually goes down for good?

Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your PS3 to the newer model.
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2963 on: March 01, 2010, 12:48:32 PM »
Man, I rented Dantes Inferno yesterday and I of course can't play it. Hopefully this is fixed before I have to return the game. What a waste. Oddly, I popped in MX Reflex which does have trophies and I can still play that. I have an 80gig Fhat non BC model.
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2964 on: March 01, 2010, 12:52:29 PM »
so it's March 2nd in Japan...I wonder if their PS3's worked themselves out.

EDIT: Looks like they MAY...MAY have it fixed in a day.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2966 on: March 01, 2010, 07:37:05 PM »
Good news: my PS3 is back operational now that Japan's moved to March 2nd.
Bad news: my Star Ocean: The Last Hope trophies are gone...permanently.  That's 6 game hours "poof".  *groans and moves to restart the game.*  At least I didn't lose everything, since the System Data saved my battle trophies and monster data.

*Is still angry at Sony.*

We'd better be seeing a firmware patch to ensure this never happens again.
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2967 on: March 01, 2010, 08:25:01 PM »
i'm glad i could give a rats ass about trophies.
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« Reply #2968 on: March 01, 2010, 10:01:20 PM »
I'm not sure if I'm missing any trophies, but I'd be pissed if they were gone.  I could have cared less about them at first, but after  getting the first few silvers, it gets pretty addicting.  Silly?  Yes.  Pointless?  Maybe.  Important?  Oh Gawd yes!!!
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2969 on: May 13, 2010, 02:35:52 PM »
Sony Forecasts Miss Estimates, Fuel Concern Over Europe Demand
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Sony Corp. forecast profit that missed analysts’ estimates, fueling concern the debt crisis in Europe may delay a recovery in demand for televisions, cameras and personal computers.

Net income will probably total 50 billion yen ($535 million) in the 12 months ending March 2011, The Tokyo-based maker of Bravia televisions said today. That’s less than half the average of 19 analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg. The company predicted revenue will rise 5.4 percent.

Sony, forecasting its first annual profit in three years, said it may suffer a “significant impact” if the Greek crisis spreads. Weaker spending in Europe, which accounts for about 25 percent of Sony’s sales, may undercut Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer’s efforts to revive profitability by cutting 20,000 jobs and shutting 11 factories.
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The loss at the Networked Products and Services Group may narrow, helped by demand for electronic readers, Vaio computers and PlayStation3 games consoles, Sony said.

The company stopped losing money from PS3 consoles in March and will likely post an annual profit of at least 1 billion yen this year from PS3, compared with a loss of about 50 billion yen in the year ended March 31, Oneda said.

Personal computer sales will probably rise to 8.8 million from 6.8 million, Sony said. The company projects sales of 15 million PS3s compared with 13 million sold a year earlier.


I don't know if you all were aware of this, but Sony FY2009 info just came out and it looks like

LTD sales:
PS3 35.7 m ( 360 40.2m Wii 70.9m)
PSP 63.2 m
PS2 146.8 m

FY 2010 forecast
PS3 15m
PSP 8m
PS2 6m

Sony Corporation (Millions of U.S. dollars)
-FY 2009:Sales and Operating Revenue $77,570
-FY 2009:Operating Income $342
-FY 2009:Net Income (loss) $(439)

Networked Products & Services (GAME) (Millions of U.S. dollars)
-FY 2009: Operating Income (loss) $(893)

and going by that article, PS3 has lost 50billion Yen last year and only looks to profit about 1 billion yen this year...

They are expecting to sell more PS3 this FY and only recover 1/50th of what they lost this year?

DOing some rough math in my head makes it seem like even though Sony stopped taking a loss on the PS3 back in March, they are making lass than $1 profit per PS3 sold at the current price of $299.

Is my math wrong? Did I misunderstand something?
and with the lost of almost $1Billion, doesn't that mean that Sony has finally spent every bit of profit from the last 10 years(PS2 era) on the PS3? Even MS is making money at this point, but they can afford to swallow any Xbox losses. How can Sony keep this up and expect to leap frog themselves during the next gen?

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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2970 on: May 13, 2010, 02:42:11 PM »
"How can Sony keep this up and expect to leap frog themselves during the next gen?"

They don't think they can get anywhere without being ambitious, right?
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« Reply #2971 on: May 13, 2010, 03:14:25 PM »
I don't know if they can get anywhere without making serious profit somewhere.

a 1Billion Yen profit for next year on PS3's is only about $10Million

Iwata has accidentally flushed more than that wrapped in a piece of tissue atleast once month. and that's just in his personal bathroom in his office.

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« Reply #2972 on: May 13, 2010, 03:45:13 PM »
It's even worse than I thought....
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=18481.msg582963#msg582963

Quarterly Financial Comparison
Sony / Nintendo / Micosoft (Operating Income)
Code: [Select]
                Sony            Nintendo          Microsoft            Total
Y/E 1998     $902,811,090   $1,023,333,867                      $1,926,144,957
Y/E 1999   $1,102,563,557   $1,301,350,000                      $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000     $722,738,949   $1,368,207,547                      $2,090,946,497
Y/E 2001    -$449,776,290     $677,576,000                        $227,799,710
Y/E 2002     $629,101,056     $895,872,180   -$1,135,000,000      $389,973,237
Y/E 2003     $935,569,253     $834,333,333   -$1,191,000,000      $578,902,586
Y/E 2004     $627,195,212     $993,161,303   -$1,337,000,000      $283,356,515
Y/E 2005     $419,888,799   $1,056,056,202     -$539,000,000      $936,945,001
Y/E 2006      $69,129,058     $774,478,055   -$1,339,000,000     -$495,392,887
Y/E 2007  -$1,970,923,859   $1,914,666,388   -$1,969,000,000   -$2,025,257,471
Y/E 2008  -$1,079,994,103   $4,322,637,887      $426,000,000    $3,668,643,783
Y/E 2009    -$664,313,787   $5,691,428,301      $169,000,000    $5,196,114,515

Y/E 10Q1    -$413,541,667     $420,843,750      $312,000,000      $319,302,083
Y/E 10Q2    -$653,333,333     $710,655,556      $375,000,000      $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3     $210,629,750   $2,087,904,452               N/A               N/A

Total               
         $387,078,407  $24,072,504,822   -$6,157,000,000   $16,004,049,028
               
Full Year Average
         $103,665,745   $1,737,758,422   -$1,001,857,143      $914,270,499

Profitable Years               
            8        12           2            10
               
Non Profitable Years               
            4         0           6             2
               
Average in Loss Year               
      -$1,041,252,010              N/A   -$1,251,666,667   -$1,260,325,179
               
Average in Profit Year               
         $676,124,622   $1,737,758,422      $333,000,000    $1,389,625,094

an $893 million loss acutally puts Sony at -$505million since 1998
it took 3 years(of 3rd place) to wipe out  all the profits(and them some) of the previous 9 years(of 1st place).
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Re: Sony getting hit Hard lately
« Reply #2973 on: May 13, 2010, 03:58:40 PM »
But that will all turn around once the profits from Bru-ray(TM) start rolling in, right?
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« Reply #2974 on: May 13, 2010, 04:04:20 PM »
except that Blu-ray isn't in the PS3/Networked devices division

any profits from that are completely separate from gaming.

Sony did sell more software than the X360 though if that helps their case any.