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My Mac is a better PC than my PC...
« on: July 01, 2006, 12:10:33 AM »
The scourge of any Mac user is that, if you want to play PC games, you're SOL except for the major releases like World of Warcraft and Unreal Tournament. The only option was to keep a gaming PC on the side (which any PC gamer likely still does).

The PC is and always will be the 4th console, but that whole issue up and blew away when Apple decided to drop THIS into their OS..

In case you missed all of the commercials, all new Macs are running on Intel components. Someone at Apple must have realized that this means you can effectively run Windows XP and beyond NATIVELY on your Mac. This isn't emulation, it's the Windows OS running right off of the Mac's internal hardware.

I tested it with UT2K4: maxed all of the settings, full lighting, texture detail, the works, and it runs PRISTINE. Some part of me expected it to run like crap for some reason, but it was flawless. In many cases, the PC build of a game will probably run better than the Mac build because the original hardware it was designed for was typically Intel hardware.

I don't know if anyone is considering a Mac or considering a NEW Mac, but I just wanted to attest to the fact that Boot Camp does INDEED work.

Now I can get Prey and Gears of War without having to pick up a 360...
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2006, 04:54:14 AM »
Macs do everything better than PCs.

My next computer is definately a MAC now.


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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2006, 05:22:36 AM »
Everyone hop on! THe mac badnwagon is great. I got my first mac about 2 years ago and I love the thing to death. It has outshined my PC in so many ways its unbelievable. When I heard about BootCamp I was so excited because that officially means I can switch all the way to mac and still have a fully functional form of Windows to play games.  
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2006, 06:10:36 AM »
After those arrogant and disgusting comercials, I have no desire to ever touch a Mac.  Plus, I hate them anyway.  But I don't want to get into any holy wars, Mac vs. PC is worse than Nintendo vs. Sony.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 06:48:40 AM »
Well you'll be able to play Prey without a Xbox360, But Gears of War on the other hand is a Xbox360 Only game, There will be no PC version.

Anyway BootCamp is one of the greatest add-ons for the Gamin Community, Now we can use a Mac for EVERYTHING. Well except for getting Hacked, Viruses and Spyware. But those are things I don't really want anyway.

The Only reason I still own a PC is for gaming, But now with Apple using Intel and the release of BootCamp my next computer will be a new MacBook Pro. Guess its time to retire my PowerBook.

@KnowsNothing, Oh come on thous adds tell the truth and their very funny.

Heres one they should make for the Pirate Community (from Apple Matters):

Mac: Hi I'm a Mac.
PC: Hi I'm a PC.
Mac: What are you doing, PC?
PC: I’m stealing Cars off a torrent site. I’m good at that.
Mac: Oh, I’m going to get a copy of X-Men III, Macs can get stuff off torrents too, you know.
PC: I thought you guys were too "good" for that sort of thing?
Mac: I’m a computer, not a philosophy.
PC: Got it!
Mac: I’m done too.
PC: Well let’s see what you got!
Mac: (opens film can): Ah, just some Windows file pretending to be a movie.
PC: (opens film can, can explodes)
Mac: Well, if you’re going to steal, you might as well do it safely.  
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RE: My Mac is a better PC than my PC...
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2006, 08:33:45 AM »
The PC is and always will be the 4th console, but that whole issue up and blew away when Apple decided to drop THIS into their OS..

Just what the Mac platform needed: The ability to turn your overpriced computer into a Windows box. Great. I'm sure that's what the world was waiting for. Perhaps I'd care if they allowed Windows to run inside a sandbox in OSX so you don't have to reboot each time you want an application from the other OS.

Well you'll be able to play Pray without a Xbox360

I'm sure the church would be quite upset if that was not the case. PREY

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 08:49:52 AM »
I'm hoping that in the next version of OSX we'll be able to run Windows Apps within OSX. There is rumor that Apple is working on a program to do that, but we'll have to wait and see.

But for now BootCamp will get rid of my PC which still makes me happy.
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RE: My Mac is a better PC than my PC...
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2006, 09:13:19 AM »
I'm sorry I hate the Mac commercials when I saw the one with the Camera I knew at that point Apple was not above lieing out of there teeth.  My personal expereince, and I have more then I care to admit, is that on my Windows PC I plug in a device and for the most part it just works.  Maybe not to it's full potential but thats what the actual drivers are for.  When I plug in a device to a Mac I get about a 50% success ratio, for both of these Keyboard/mouse is excluded because if those don't work out of the box on about any OS you have more problems.  When I saw the comercial with the camera I felt violated.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2006, 09:17:02 AM »
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing After those arrogant and disgusting comercials, I have no desire to ever touch a Mac.  Plus, I hate them anyway.  But I don't want to get into any holy wars, Mac vs. PC is worse than Nintendo vs. Sony.


The commercials are intended to appeal to the lowest common denominator which, in case you're an optimist, is actually most of the world. It's not that Apple enjoys insulting people's intelligence (that only earns them hatred), it's that most people are literally just too DUMB to understand a commercial which addresses anything technical (like something you or I would understand).

So, in lieu of that, they have a heavy-set unattractive guy representing the PC and a thin, good-looking kid representing the Mac because they know this will allow even the dumbest of the dumb to understand what they're trying to communicate.

As for the holy wars, they're over. Windows runs on Macs now. What's left to argue? The merits of AMD components? If you don't like the Mac OS, it's not like anything I say will persuade you to do so but since Macs run windows natively, it's only now a question of cost and preference.

And Cap, are you 100% on that?

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A PC version of Gears of War has been confirmed by Epic Games, possibly featuring some bonus content not seen in the Xbox 360 version. However, with the PC port not taking place until after the Xbox 360 version's release (expected in late 2006), its likely that we won't see Gears on the PC until 2007.


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I know it's a year later, but it seems it will be out for the PC at some point.

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Just what the Mac platform needed: The ability to turn your overpriced computer into a Windows box. Great. I'm sure that's what the world was waiting for. Perhaps I'd care if they allowed Windows to run inside a sandbox in OSX so you don't have to reboot each time you want an application from the other OS.


Actually, yes it IS just what it needed: the ability to run Windows like a side car so anyone who was thinking of getting a Mac but always said, "I still need Windows..." can suddenly have both.

And the next version is rumored to do just that: run two simultaneous operating systems so you can boot applications from either one seamlessly.

I buy Macs because they're goddamn rocks: they never crash, never get viruses, never get spyware, never need to be defragged, and never need to be reformatted (MS actually recommends you reformat your PC and reinstall Windows once every 3 months).

You get what you pay for. The extra money I put in on a Mac purchase is insurance that, months down the road, I won't have the thing fail on me during a time when it's absolutely crucial and I won't have to pour HOURS of time into its regular maintenance just so its performance doesn't degrade as it gets fragmented and filled with viruses and spyware. My life is hectic enough as it is: I can't AFFORD that kind of bullsh*t from my computers.

I've dealt with XP a great deal already. If my computers were only that reliable, I wouldn't entrust them with anything.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2006, 09:25:21 AM »
I've had the reverse experience. With my PC almost all my devices (4 different Digital Camera, 2 PDA, Scanner, Drawing Tablet, Webcam, Cellphone, Wireless Keyboard and even both of my Printers) I have had to go off and spend time getting the drivers to work, but with my PowerBook all I had to do was plug them in and they were ready to go. And this doesn't even get into all the devices I've had to work with over the years personally and at work. I find the best way to test if any devices is dead is to plug it into a Mac, if it doesn't work there then it really is dead. While on the PC end I can never trust if the item is dead or if Windows is just being a POS. I've never had an issue using different USB mice or keyboards on a Mac, But Windows has given me more then 10 occasions where it has.

For me that ad was dead on accurate with my experience with PCs and Macs.

I guess your just one of the few Windows users who hasn't had a pain in the ass time getting devices to work with Windows. Hell the wireless Keyboard I had to hook up was a bloody MS keyboard. Yet when I plugged it into my Mac it just worked with no need to install drivers.  
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2006, 09:37:16 AM »
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherAnd Cap, are you 100% on that?

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A PC version of Gears of War has been confirmed by Epic Games, possibly featuring some bonus content not seen in the Xbox 360 version. However, with the PC port not taking place until after the Xbox 360 version's release (expected in late 2006), its likely that we won't see Gears on the PC until 2007.


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I know it's a year later, but it seems it will be out for the PC at some point.


IGN, GameSpot, Epic Games, GameFAQs, GameInformer, and 1Up all have it listed as Xbox360 only.

That artical is misleading, it wasn't Epic that said anything about a PC version is was MS's J Allard. Epic just said it Might happen.

From Mark Rein of Epic Games:
Gears of War is an Xbox360 exclusive. We're developing it specifically to take advantage of the power and features of the console. All of the work on Gears between now and when we ship is toward creating the ultimate Xbox360 game.

Could we, in the future, adapt Gears for Windows just as Microsoft did with Halo? Sure we could and, as you can see from J Allard's comments, Microsoft is clearly cool with that idea. But we're a long way off from thinking about that. Right now our only goal is to make Gears one of the "must have" titles for Xbox360 and judging by reaction to our relatively early showing at E3 we're well on our way toward achieving that. One major web site, 1UP.com, already voted us their Best Xbox360 Game in their Best of E3 roundup!


And even if it does happen It will most likley not happen for at least 2+ years and they will most likely pull the same BS they are doing with Halo2 and making it Vista Only.  
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2006, 12:05:47 PM »
If Gear of War releases for PC it will be Vista only.

Capamerica: I wish I had your luck with Accesories being hooked to the Mac.  I'm very surprised about that on the Windows side.  XP is really good about having devices come up.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2006, 02:56:39 PM »
I like the one mouse button laptops myself.

I'll take building my own pc over macs for the not so near future.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2006, 03:15:09 PM »
In the computer field, the only faction that has won my heart is the One Laptop Per Child faction.



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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2006, 09:11:50 PM »
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Holy sh*t, that thing is AWESOME....
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2006, 02:31:54 AM »
Keyboard/mouse is excluded because if those don't work out of the box on about any OS you have more problems.

I like your jab at BeOS there.

Actually, yes it IS just what it needed: the ability to run Windows like a side car so anyone who was thinking of getting a Mac but always said, "I still need Windows..." can suddenly have both.

But that would mean you'd only run Windows on it anyway (why would you reboot back into OSX when you have to go into Windows pretty quickly anyway?) and there's no incentive to make OSX native programs since you can just make everything for Windows and cover both Windows and Macs.

I buy Macs because they're goddamn rocks: they never crash, never get viruses, never get spyware, never need to be defragged, and never need to be reformatted

Nice. MY PC does the same.

You get what you pay for. The extra money I put in on a Mac purchase is insurance that, months down the road, I won't have the thing fail on me during a time when it's absolutely crucial and I won't have to pour HOURS of time into its regular maintenance just so its performance doesn't degrade as it gets fragmented and filled with viruses and spyware. My life is hectic enough as it is: I can't AFFORD that kind of bullsh*t from my computers.

Macs are an attempt to make computers foolproof. The universe will just invent better fools and spyware and viruses will be on the Mac too. Sure you need to enter an admin password but that's what the better fools are for: A bit of social engineering and they'll do anything. Viruses are distributed in encrypted zips these days with instructions how to decrypt them, if fools do THAT fools will do anything.

Of course there are exploits in Windows but most likely there are exploits in any OS so you should NEVER neglect basic security practices. If you aren't stupid you won't catch any malware on a PC.

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2006, 02:43:14 AM »
Hmm...viruses are venereal disease?

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2006, 07:27:04 PM »
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k But that would mean you'd only run Windows on it anyway (why would you reboot back into OSX when you have to go into Windows pretty quickly anyway?) and there's no incentive to make OSX native programs since you can just make everything for Windows and cover both Windows and Macs.


Aside from Macs which are 7 years old and are still supported by Apple's current OS and run those apps (only the new ones can run windows), Mac apps are made because Mac users still prefer to use OSX but want to be able to have windows as an option in case they need it for whatever reason (it's games, games are the only thing you can do on the PC better than you can on the Mac).

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Nice. MY PC does the same.


Bullsh*t.

Sorry, I've installed Spy Sweeper on far too many WinXP PCs and seen the results to believe you. In the case of XP, either you take steps to protect the operating system via 3rd party programs and run a HD defragging utility or the installation gradually goes to hell. I'm not talking about scheduling regular maintenance under Norton, I'm talking about taking it out of the box, plugging it in, and that's the last thing you need to go out of your way to do to ensure it runs for years afterwards without a hitch (ok, so it asks for my password before it downloads software updates in the background, but I don't need to install 3rd party software without which it will eventually become slow as hell and buggy).

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Macs are an attempt to make computers foolproof. The universe will just invent better fools and spyware and viruses will be on the Mac too. Sure you need to enter an admin password but that's what the better fools are for: A bit of social engineering and they'll do anything. Viruses are distributed in encrypted zips these days with instructions how to decrypt them, if fools do THAT fools will do anything.


Universe is behind schedule. I've been running OSX since half a year after the first version was released and I've yet to suffer any spyware or viruses. If what you were saying is true, I should have had to rebuild from a virus attack at least once in the 4-5 years I've run OSX. Hasn't happened.

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Of course there are exploits in Windows but most likely there are exploits in any OS so you should NEVER neglect basic security practices. If you aren't stupid you won't catch any malware on a PC.


You catch "malware" because the Windows OS is poorly programmed and is full of literally thousands of holes and exploits. It has nothing to do with how stupid the user is. I just don't think a computer should need to be given regular maintenance when it can be perfectly capable of sustaining itself without failure. Windows suffers these problems because it's poorly made, no other reason.

I've neglected basic security practices for 5 years and I've never had an issue, having never installed even one application to "protect" my Mac. Let's see an installation of XP which can survive even a YEAR with no anti-virus or spyware utility, no defragging and no FIREWALL.
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RE: My Mac is a better PC than my PC...
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2006, 04:54:29 AM »
Aside from Macs which are 7 years old and are still supported by Apple's current OS and run those apps (only the new ones can run windows), Mac apps are made because Mac users still prefer to use OSX but want to be able to have windows as an option in case they need it for whatever reason (it's games, games are the only thing you can do on the PC better than you can on the Mac).

Yes but it's cheaper to not make a OSX port and maintain that. The small number of Mac users who won't buy your product because of that won't make enough money for you to make the port worthwile.

Bullsh*t.

Sorry, I've installed Spy Sweeper on far too many WinXP PCs and seen the results to believe you. In the case of XP, either you take steps to protect the operating system via 3rd party programs and run a HD defragging utility or the installation gradually goes to hell. I'm not talking about scheduling regular maintenance under Norton, I'm talking about taking it out of the box, plugging it in, and that's the last thing you need to go out of your way to do to ensure it runs for years afterwards without a hitch (ok, so it asks for my password before it downloads software updates in the background, but I don't need to install 3rd party software without which it will eventually become slow as hell and buggy).


The first, obvious step is to let IE (and Outlook if you're using an email client) kick the bucket and use Opera (most govts already issued warnings saying that so it should be expectable). Second obvious step is to use a firewall (if you put any computer on the net without a firewall in between you're stupid) like the NAT provided by any router or even a firewall employed by your ISP. Then the only spyware you can get is from software you install. Surprise, when you install stuff you usually have superuser privileges and spyware could crap all over your kernel. Of course Macs have security through obscurity right now but as any sane person could tell you, security through obscurity is no security at all.

A quick spyware scan came up as clean as it was on the first day (and every subsequent day). Sure, a few tracking cookies but you can't tell me that's an OS problem. Virus scans were clean all the time. Comparison: My sister and father are stupid users and they regularly catch viruses and spyware (from the warez they download).

Universe is behind schedule. I've been running OSX since half a year after the first version was released and I've yet to suffer any spyware or viruses. If what you were saying is true, I should have had to rebuild from a virus attack at least once in the 4-5 years I've run OSX. Hasn't happened.

That's because noone can be bothered to write software for Macs, even hackers.

You catch "malware" because the Windows OS is poorly programmed and is full of literally thousands of holes and exploits. It has nothing to do with how stupid the user is. I just don't think a computer should need to be given regular maintenance when it can be perfectly capable of sustaining itself without failure. Windows suffers these problems because it's poorly made, no other reason.

No you catch malware because the superuser made a mistake. In most cases the superuser is the only user and people can't be bothered to set up a proper LPU account for everyday use. Granted, Windows lacking su and sudo doesn't make LPU as comfortable as it is under unix derivates but it's possible nonetheless. Sure there is privilege escalation but the only reason I've never seen anyone do that on a Mac is because I've never seen anyone using a Mac in a multiuser environment.

I've neglected basic security practices for 5 years and I've never had an issue, having never installed even one application to "protect" my Mac. Let's see an installation of XP which can survive even a YEAR with no anti-virus or spyware utility, no defragging and no FIREWALL.

You could hire a few hackers and they'd show you in five minutes that if Macs were worth targeting they'd own that system (if Macs were unhackable, don't you think people would use them for all security-critical applications?). Even NASA programs have bugs and those are checked hundreds of times per line and have formal proof for everything. If someone bothered to dig enough he'd find a weakness.

You should talk as badly as you can about Apple publicly, you don't want Apple to get a decent marketshare or you'd find your computer turned into a spambot within five seconds of turning on the internet connection.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2006, 05:43:55 AM »
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You could hire a few hackers and they'd show you in five minutes that if Macs were worth targeting they'd own that system (if Macs were unhackable, don't you think people would use them for all security-critical applications?). Even NASA programs have bugs and those are checked hundreds of times per line and have formal proof for everything. If someone bothered to dig enough he'd find a weakness.


The FBI promotes the fact that OSX is pretty much unhackable. And that they have a love/hate relationship with it. The Love it cause no one can get into their stuff, but they hate it when they are trying to get into someone else's.

Also it should be noted that about 4 years ago Norton offered a $10,000 reward for the first OSX virus. To-date that reward is still unclaimed.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2006, 08:03:40 AM »
Alright, so now Macs can play games, huh?

But then there's still the fact that you get less bang for more buck.  Even if games can run on them, it doens't mean they run well.  A good gaming Mac will cost you a billion times more than a good gaming PC, although I still think "good gaming Mac" is an oxymoron.  Plus you can't really update them either, which is sort of a big thing for a gamer.

But if anyone would like to prove me wrong I'd be overjoyed.  If Macs weren't weak and overpriced, I'd get one.

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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2006, 10:46:34 AM »
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Yes but it's cheaper to not make a OSX port and maintain that. The small number of Mac users who won't buy your product because of that won't make enough money for you to make the port worthwile.


Are you even reading what I'm saying? Only the VERY NEWEST MACS can run Boot Camp. Every Mac sold since 1999 still runs OSX and can run the apps which we're talking about here, including every iMac out there.

Let's stop programming for 90% of the Mac userbase because 10% can run windows. Great idea, and even the 10% who own Intel-based Macs likely own older Macs (like me) and intend to still use those older Macs until they're no longer supported, which looks to not be any time soon.

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The first, obvious step is to let IE (and Outlook if you're using an email client) kick the bucket and use Opera (most govts already issued warnings saying that so it should be expectable).


I prefer Firefox, but why does this seem like common sense? You'd think that the browser which the OS ships with wouldn't need to be replaced because it's full of gaping security holes.

One of the reasons I love Macs is because I can entrust one to ANYONE, no matter how computer illiterate they may be, and once they figure out the basics of the OS, I NEVER HEAR BACK FROM THEM. My aunt used to do all of her eBay listing on a PC which kept dying on her. We gave her a G4 running OSX and it has literally been years since I've had to explain anything to her.

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Second obvious step is to use a firewall (if you put any computer on the net without a firewall in between you're stupid) like the NAT provided by any router or even a firewall employed by your ISP. Then the only spyware you can get is from software you install. Surprise, when you install stuff you usually have superuser privileges and spyware could crap all over your kernel.


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Of course Macs have security through obscurity right now but as any sane person could tell you, security through obscurity is no security at all.


*Cough*

No one's offering $50,000 to write a virus for windows, bucko. I don't care how "obscure" the OS is, when $50,000 is up for grabs and STILL no one has done it, your little "oh, no one cares about viruses for macs!" argument goes right out the window.

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A quick spyware scan came up as clean as it was on the first day (and every subsequent day). Sure, a few tracking cookies but you can't tell me that's an OS problem. Virus scans were clean all the time. Comparison: My sister and father are stupid users and they regularly catch viruses and spyware (from the warez they download).


Thanks for proving my point. My entire argument is that you shouldn't have to take steps to protect computers from the internet and your comment about your father and sister solidifies the fact that Windows out of the box will destroy itself.

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That's because noone can be bothered to write software for Macs, even hackers.


Must be some rich hackers out there if the $50,000 isn't enticing enough, and that's being offered by Symantec, makers of Norton, who would benefit immensely if they could sell Anti-virus software for the Mac.

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Granted, Windows lacking su and sudo doesn't make LPU as comfortable as it is under unix derivates but it's possible nonetheless. Sure there is privilege escalation but the only reason I've never seen anyone do that on a Mac is because I've never seen anyone using a Mac in a multiuser environment.


If you haven't seen a Mac working in a multiuser environment, then you've never been to a college library or computer room and it sounds like you don't have much experience with Macs in general.

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You could hire a few hackers and they'd show you in five minutes that if Macs were worth targeting they'd own that system (if Macs were unhackable, don't you think people would use them for all security-critical applications?). Even NASA programs have bugs and those are checked hundreds of times per line and have formal proof for everything. If someone bothered to dig enough he'd find a weakness.


You keep saying this, and yet you provide absolutely no evidence to back it up (not even a link to a hacker-wannabe site with little 13 year old script kiddîes saying OSX isn't worth hacking).

And five minutes, you say? In that case, those hackers must already make $600,000 an hour to not want to be bothered to take Norton up on their offer (60 minutes / 5 minutes = 12 * $50,000 = $600,000 per hour).

You know what? I'll do your research FOR you: HERE

A Mac OSX trojan. It's not a virus so Norton won't pay them, but if the user opens it, then it can infect files.  
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RE: My Mac is a better PC than my PC...
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2006, 12:45:34 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2006, 07:12:05 PM »
On the Multiuser side.  I run an Active Directory server, Server 2003, the does all the authentication for a Windows lab and it's sister Mac lab.  With a Raid that is hooked up to a Mac server which hosts SSH access, mail, and the website.  All the users directories are hosted on the raid, which is from Apple.   The fact of the matter is that the only thing we don't have anymore is Linux machines and the only reason we don't have those is that they didn't want to play nice with the rest on authentication.

Edit:  Actually officially I still run the server.  Though I don't get any hours now.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2006, 02:06:44 AM »
You know, it's nice that no worm can get into your Mac but my father and sister get infected with trojans, not worms. When you run random binaries from the web as root that happens and there is no way an OS can prevent it short of limiting the root's abilities ("We have decided you don't want that. Press any key to terminate the process.") and I don't think people would like that. Especially since you'd have to cripple the root to the point of being completely useless if you wanted to prevent damage to user data (who cares if the OS survives if it kills your entire work folder? You've got an install disc for the OS but most users don't have backups of their data).

Also I still don't see the point of boot camp. Even if OSX is completely unbreakable you are booting into another OS. You wouldn't get the "advantages" until you make a 100% migration to OSX which you could have done without bootcamp anyway. Linux had a bootloader for decades, that didn't make people pick it up.

If Apple would just remove the DRM that prevents OSX from running on normal PCs they'd lower the barrier of entry much more than bootcamp currently does. You still need a completely new (expensive) computer and a standalone Windows license (most people have OEM versions that cannot be installled on the Mac) if you want to try out a Mac.