Author Topic: Mafia VI: Finale (Read 23682 times)

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2006, 08:01:28 PM »

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Originally posted by: Pale
I still don't get the ending.

KN was Crazy Redd and Infernal was Death, they killed each other

Khush was a Fox and stalked after Athrun who was Mint. Mint hid behind Mayor Aurion who turned out to be the Bombers Assistant and then Bill blew them all up.

GAME OVER.

Pale · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2006, 02:21:22 AM »

So Khush was the winner then, except for Bill's ending...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2006, 05:44:17 AM »

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Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
I don't like these half-truths in the rules. Was the mayor ALWAYS THE BA or was that changed so that we had this amusing ending?

Half-truth? I pretty much explicitly stated in the rules that the Apprentice could be anyone in the game...I even listed myself as a character in the rule list!

I had personally selected Mario to be Cube, and he had known about this ending since before the game started...

MattVDB · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2006, 06:21:03 AM »

Yes Bill, but you missed at one major thing. In the page where you listed living, dead, and living people's roles, you were noticably absent from the list. Showing up at the end, and saying "hey I said it could be anybody" really doesn't do anything but tick people off. Congradulations.

stevey · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:40:40 AM »

boo the role weren't pick at random, worst game ever! j/k After mario die it was clear that bill was cube but it's unfair since bill can't die no matter how much we wanted him to... Vote Bill v.3

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2006, 09:01:18 AM »

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Originally posted by: stevey
boo the role weren't pick at random, worst game ever! j/k After mario die it was clear that bill was cube but it's unfair since bill can't die no matter how much we wanted him to... Vote Bill v.3

Hind sight is 20/20, and now having said that, it was sooo obvious who everyone was at the beginning but I didn't want to give away that I knew too much!!
VOTE Mafia VII

vudu · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2006, 09:34:32 AM »

Yeah, I don't like this one bit.

First off, non-random role assignments sucks.

Second off, the mayor can't have a role. I don't care what you say, he just can't.

Third off, your game sucks. Stop trying to make up special rules and twists and turns. It's not fun.

I propose the next Maifa game be straight up, old school Maifa--Mafia, cop, doctor, townies. Nothing else.

Mario · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2006, 10:33:04 AM »

If you look at the rules, The Mayor was bolded as an actual character in the game.

MattVDB · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2006, 10:39:50 AM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
If you look at the rules, The Mayor was bolded as an actual character in the game.

Oh, thank you Mario. I missed that! All is well, please excuse my earlier comments. /sarcasm

The point is, it killed an otherly very enjoyable game. No matter the amount of explaining is going to change that fact. I'm with Vudu though, and the next game should be strait up original mafia. This was just dumb.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2006, 10:48:33 AM »

The whole point of my being the Apprentice was hardly to piss everyone off, though I knew from the beginning that it would...

As I said in the Rules thread, the theme of this game was "Fear"...I couldn't guarantee that Cube would survive for a while, and I didn't want everyone to feel relaxed after he died, so I made it so the Apprentice couldn't die until the end...

(That said, it's pretty amusing just how seriously some of you are taking this...)

vudu · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:01:11 AM »

If we had somehow figured out that you were BA, could we have voted you off? No? Then it's not a fair game.

Part of the charm of Mafia is the randomness. Who would have guessed that during Wandering's Mafia the Vigilante would have killed the Serial Killer on the first day? No one. Would Mafia V have ended differently had the Downtrodden Man killed at least one Mafia member instead of taking out two townies? Or if the Emissary hasn't found the Defenders of the Keep so damn early in the game and created an unstoppable barricade around himself? Or if Bill had found Peter? My ultimate point is, if you make up roles (which is what you did) or try to orchestrate the game from behind the curtains, it makes the game less fun.

Pale · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:03:15 AM »

The next game of mafia will not be classic style... It will be with my twists. One of the things I am shooting for is a very clear showing of the winners and the losers. There won't be any surprises when it comes to that.

I will have rules and signups after the 4th. Game will probably start a week or two after that I think.

Pale · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:07:06 AM »

Also.. Bill better play!

Ceric · « **Reply #38 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:19:02 AM »

I want to play this one. How do I sign up?

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #39 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:21:30 AM »

just a question though, who said that we couldn't vote for the mayor?

obviously in normal mafia games you can't vote the god, but this wasn't normal

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #40 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:30:33 AM »

Seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Foxes won okay

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #41 on:** June 29, 2006, 01:37:12 PM »

vudu, I'm not seeing how my character wasn't "fair"...I wasn't participating in votes and the turn-out of the game didn't change due to the Apprentice's existence...Either way, Khushrenada and Athrun were the last surviving townfolk and that means the Foxes won...

The very fact that you are upset at the results shows just how random me being the Apprentice was, so I think it served its purpose quite well... ^_^

nickmitch · « **Reply #42 on:** June 29, 2006, 05:18:44 PM »

I wanna do a game where everyone is a townie. I'll just kill people at random and say it was Mafia.

vudu · « **Reply #43 on:** June 29, 2006, 05:23:30 PM »

I still disagree; essentially, you made up a role and told everyone that someone had it even though they didn't.

What if I run a game where there is no mafia and I just pick random people each night to "kill"? How much fun would that be for anyone besides me? (Side note: I wonder how long it would take everyone to figure out what I did?) I realize it's a drastic example, but it's not that far off from what you did. I just don't see why you feel you needed to draw fear into the hearts of the townies.

At the end of the day it doesn't break the game, but I don't like the direction it could lead future Mafia games to move towards.

EDIT: Damnit! TVMan stole my idea five minutes before I typed it.

MattVDB · « **Reply #44 on:** June 29, 2006, 07:52:17 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The whole point of my being the Apprentice was hardly to piss everyone off, though I knew from the beginning that it would...

Bill, you never cease to amaze me.

Still, this was my first game, and it was enjoyable, so I fully plan on signing up for Pale's game. Unless there is a machine gunner's apprentice, or something of the manner. Hear that Pale? Don't let the townies down!

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #45 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:55:52 PM »

It was an interesting twist. Seriously guys it didn't really affect the game. Khush was alive at the end and after the credits there was a bit more footage to come that's all. A fun and stressful game all round.

Khushrenada · « **Reply #46 on:** June 29, 2006, 09:04:12 PM »

Actually Bill, having you as the Bomber's apprentice did change the ending of the game a bit. I'll explain how. I knew the B.A. could have another role and when I was thinking about who could have two roles, the only logical choice to me was Mint. That's why I didn't vote Athrun the last day. If I had, I would have been the last one standing alone. At that point, I thought it better to hide and hope Death killed the B.A. or the B.A. self-destructed and took Death and Crazy Redd. That was my only hope of victory at that point. If I had known the B.A. wasn't a real role, then I would have voted Athrun. I knew if I didn't vote Athrun, Crash would be the one voted out even though he shouldn't have been a choice. In fact, maybe Infernal would have been voted out so as to prevent Death from making a hit. Then KN sends a hit for Athrun and we win. In the end, everything changed because of the B.A.

That's why I was a disappointed with the ending when I first read it. The best way to describe it is like if this was the playoffs. In the end, on the deciding game, the referee decides to start playing and then makes himself the winner. It just made me feel like I shouldn't have bothered playing.

I hope I'm not sounding bitter because I'm not. It's just a game and I understand one can't win them all. I'm very happy with how I did especially since this was my first game and I was still unclear on things. I just wanted to try and express my feelings on the twist. There's a right way and a wrong way. Agatha Christie did it right in a novel she wrote once. I won't mention the name in case one day you read it. I don't want to spoil the ending as it were. The reason is because in the novel, there were plenty of clues provided and it all made logical sense so you didn't feel cheated but rather amazed at how quick you were to dismiss the possibility.

With this twist, there weren't enough clues and the rules seemed to contradict one another. The mayor is a role, Then the Mayor should have died by now for noting voting with-in two days. The Mayor isn't a real role. Then how can the B.A., who is the mayor, be a live role? It conflicts too much and in the end, it sort of taints the game.

Khushrenada · « **Reply #47 on:** June 29, 2006, 09:07:47 PM »

In a differnet vein, I think I'll post how I played the game and my theories in a little while. I don't know if you'd be interested in hearing what my thoughts and strategy was but I'll put it up here in a couple days. Though I'm sure KnowsNothing has heard enough about my gameplay for this round.

IceCold · « **Reply #48 on:** June 29, 2006, 11:53:47 PM »

Deus Ex Machina

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #49 on:** June 30, 2006, 07:00:35 AM »

Ahahaha, Khush does tend to ramble on about his theories, but many of them were correct so whatever. A lot of times I would come in with some information I got and let him analyze it

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