Topic: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Smash_Brother]

I do think that Square will be represented, not only from their massive amount of support shown for Nintendo, but also because there are 4-5 SE composers in that list.

And it'll be a Moogle. Moogles are Square's "Mario". I'd hope it would be Mog the Moogle from FF6, but I'm guessing a generic Moogle would be more likely since it ties in to ALL FF games instead of just one.

[Spak-Spang]

A Moogle would be perfectly cool and acceptable.  It is a recognizable Square character...and it has been on Nintendo.

That would be cool.


Bill:  Animal Crossing items YES.  Animal Crossing characters No.  I have been very consistent on my opinion on that.

Really why is 5 3rd party characters excessive?  It really depends on who the characters are.

Excessive would be having Sega represented by Sonic, Tails, Nights, ect.

Or Capcom represented by Ryu, Mega Man, Jill from Resident Evil and more.

Having 5 very select 3rd party characters that represent the best of Nintendo 3rd party support and history of Nintendo is not excessive...specially when you think that there are already going to quite a few characters in the game.

What I really think would be excessive is throwing in too many obscure Nintendo characters that nobody would really want to play as...and don't add much gameplay elements to the series.

[Smash_Brother]

If there is a Street Fighter character in this game, I will hunt down the president of Capcom and eat his children.

Though I still think Mr. Resetti would be fine as a playable character. He's angry, violent and wields a pickaxe for a weapon.

I doubt he'll be in it, though, as I've never seen Sakurai make mention of him when referencing AC.

[NWR_pap64]

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If there is a Street Fighter character in this game, I will hunt down the president of Capcom and eat his children.

And shove ants down his pants while you are at it?

You have a rather big chip on your shoulder when it comes to games, SB. I don't think that's healthy...

[Smash_Brother]

1. Megaman is a better choice (and so is Belmont, since it would complete the Captain-N trio).

2. SSB was created to spoof on SF. Having a SF character would be both ironic AND redundant, considering that the point of the game is to put characters in a fighting game who aren't fighting game characters.

3. I hate SF. I hated the clones in Melee with such a passion because it was a maneuver which was previously used so heavily by Capcom. I'm hoping SSBB doesn't have clones or just makes them alternate costumes.

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: pap64
We should make an official thread where we can discuss the latest SSB Dojo updates. Considering we have a thread that discusses the latest VC updates, we should do the same for the Dojo updates.

Why can't we just do that in this thread?

[Smash_Brother]

This should be stickied.

[Adrock]

If any Square-Enix character makes it, I'd bet on it being Cloud. He's far from my favorite FF character, but he's the series most recognizable character and SE likes putting him in other games.

Most will say it's excessive, but I'd like to see 2 characters from the 5 biggest Japanese publishers (Capcom, Namco, Konami, Square-Enix and Sega). Ten 3rd party characters plus at least 12 new characters from Nintendo. 22 newcomers? Never happen....

I'm surprised no one really mentions Namco. Nintendo and Namco are like BFF now.

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Spak-Spang wrote:
As for the reason I believe there will be more 3rd party Characters than previously thought is that simply put things change. That interview is over a year old commenting that 3rd party characters had been locked with only the potential of 1-2 more...and other 3rd parties hadn't even yet been contacted. Since then we have learned a great deal about the scope and money Nintendo is throwing at this game. I believe more classic 3rd party games will be incorporated.

That's what I've been saying....

[nickmitch]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If there is a Street Fighter character in this game, I will hunt down the president of Capcom and eat his children.

Though I still think Mr. Resetti would be fine as a playable character. He's angry, violent and wields a pickaxe for a weapon.

I doubt he'll be in it, though, as I've never seen Sakurai make mention of him when referencing AC.

We've already talked about having Mr. Resetti as an item. I think this idea is much better.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Adrock I'm surprised no one really mentions Namco. Nintendo and Namco are like BFF now.

Er, how so?

The SC game is cute, but it boggles my mind when Namco prefers to send a game like Time Crisis 3 to the PS3 instead of the Wii which already has a built-in lightgun.

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We've already talked about having Mr. Resetti as an item. I think this idea is much better.

I'd take him either way, but I'd prefer him as a fighter.

[Arbok]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
2. SSB was created to spoof on SF. Having a SF character would be both ironic AND redundant, considering that the point of the game is to put characters in a fighting game who aren't fighting game characters.

The game took the fighting genre in a new direction, toward simple to execute moves and a new objective to knock opponents off of stages, not to mention items. However, I don't see how that's spoofing SF, unless you have a quote stating just that from one of the creators. Clay Fighters, now that was a spoof although it still fit into the fighting cliche mold. I do have a feeling that your general dislike of the Street Fighter franchise is tainting your feelings here, and personally I wouldn't mind Ryu being included at all, and he wouldn't seem out of place in the least amongst Captain Falcon, Snake and Link.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
1. Megaman is a better choice (and so is Belmont, since it would complete the Captain-N trio).

2. SSB was created to spoof on SF. Having a SF character would be both ironic AND redundant, considering that the point of the game is to put characters in a fighting game who aren't fighting game characters.

3. I hate SF. I hated the clones in Melee with such a passion because it was a maneuver which was previously used so heavily by Capcom. I'm hoping SSBB doesn't have clones or just makes them alternate costumes.

Well, knowing you and how destiny works around you I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow shoehorn a Street Fighter element in Brawl just to spite you :-P .

In all seriousness, though, I agree that Megaman works better since he is essentially Capcom's mascot. Capcom has many flagship franchises, but no mascot. The closest thing to that is Megaman. So if Capcom were to look for a mascot, the best thing they have is Megaman.

EDIT: Oh and SB, I think the Namco and Nintendo being BFF thing could be about the time in which Namco collaborated with Nintendo on many games and created the Triforce arcade board together. Don't know if this can be applied here, though.

And yes, I do believe SB is being a tad bitter about Street Fighter, but thats because his love for SSB is perhaps the grandest out of all the love he has.

[Adrock]

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Smash_Brother wrote:
Er, how so?

- Star Fox Assault
- Mario Kart Arcade GP 1 and 2.
- Nintendo buying 80% Monolith Soft instead of going behind Namco's back and "stealing" all their talent
- Soul Calibur Legends on Wii of all consoles

Nintendo and Namco have a great relationship, especially compared to Konami minus Kojima Productions and even then, Nintendo had to bend over backwards and jump through burning rings of fire to make Twins Snakes happen.

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Arbok wrote:
The game took the fighting genre in a new direction, toward simple to execute moves and a new objective to knock opponents off of stages, not to mention items. However, I don't see how that's spoofing SF, unless you have a quote stating just that from one of the creators. Clay Fighters, now that was a spoof although it still fit into the fighting cliche mold. I do have a feeling that your general dislike of the Street Fighter franchise is tainting your feelings here, and personally I wouldn't mind Ryu being included at all, and he wouldn't seem out of place in the least amongst Captain Falcon, Snake and Link.

I agree. I would've written something similar if not for sheer laziness.

[Smash_Brother]

- Star Fox Assault - SUCKED

- Mario Kart Arcade GP 1 and 2 - Also sucked.

- Nintendo buying 80% Monolith Soft instead of going behind Namco's back and "stealing" all their talent - for the franchises, yes.

- Soul Calibur Legends on Wii of all consoles - we'll see. If PS3 and 360 get the main fighting game, then I'm not going to call this support.

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Nintendo and Namco have a great relationship, especially compared to Konami minus Kojima Productions and even then, Nintendo had to bend over backwards and jump through burning rings of fire to make Twins Snakes happen.

I agree, but the same could be said of any company in comparison to Fruitbat Productions.

Now Square just moved their flagship franchise, DQ, to the DS. They're making a DQ game for the Wii (which even Ty liked). Then there's Mario Basketball which already featured Nintendo's and Square's characters together, FF:CC for the Wii and DS, FF12: DS, Heroes of Mana, Children of Mana (even though it sucked ass).

Not to mention the fact that SEVEN (at least) Square composers are working on SSBB.

I'd put Square WAY ahead of Namco in this regard.

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Arbok wrote:
The game took the fighting genre in a new direction, toward simple to execute moves and a new objective to knock opponents off of stages, not to mention items. However, I don't see how that's spoofing SF, unless you have a quote stating just that from one of the creators. Clay Fighters, now that was a spoof although it still fit into the fighting cliche mold. I do have a feeling that your general dislike of the Street Fighter franchise is tainting your feelings here, and personally I wouldn't mind Ryu being included at all, and he wouldn't seem out of place in the least amongst Captain Falcon, Snake and Link.

I can't say if it was SF for certain, but you have to admit the intro movie in SSB64 was a massive send-up of fighting game intros everywhere.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherI can't say if it was SF for certain, but you have to admit the intro movie in SSB64 was a massive send-up of fighting game intros everywhere.

Well, they did put a humorous spin on it, but I never saw it as being a direct jab towards any particular game.

I'm honestly surprised that you see SSB as a " spoof"  series, SB. I saw it as its own game, not trying to mock anyone or anything. Just make a simple fighting party game.

And while MK Arcade 1 was filled with issues, the second one hasn't even been brought overseas, so saying it "sucked"  when you haven't even given it a 5 minute try is unfair and a tad childish if you ask me.

[Adrock]

Regardless of what you think about the quality of those games (which is just as much Nintendo's fault), Nintendo and Namco have had a closer working relationship recently than most (if not all) other 3rd parties, including Square-Enix. You can mention all the support they're giving Nintendo, but it's not like they stopped supporting Sony, despite all the trouble Sony's had lately. PSP support is just about even with DS and PS3 is still getting Final Fantasy XIII. And honestly, I'd be more impressed if Dragon Quest IX was a Wii title.

Anyway, I agree with pap64 (see, I agree with you every once in a while). I always saw it as its own game, trying to do its own thing. So while I'd prefer Megaman (I like Dante too, but he's never been on a Nintendo platform), I think Ryu would fit quite nicely into Smash.

[NWR_pap64]

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Anyway, I agree with pap64 (see, I agree with you every once in a while)

Was that aimed at me or SB?

I don't remember any disagreement (at least recently).

[Smash_Brother]

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Regardless of what you think about the quality of those games (which is just as much Nintendo's fault), Nintendo and Namco have had a closer working relationship recently than most (if not all) other 3rd parties, including Square-Enix.

How has Namco had a closer working relationship? I believe that you feel this way, but I just don't see the hard evidence.

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You can mention all the support they're giving Nintendo, but it's not like they stopped supporting Sony, despite all the trouble Sony's had lately.

Yeah, and Namco hasn't stopped supporting Sony, or MS, either.

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PSP support is just about even with DS and PS3 is still getting Final Fantasy XIII.

First of all, are you serious? DS and PSP support...EVEN?! If you want to count the number of games, maybe, but in terms of the CONTENT of these games, the DS is WAY ahead.

Not only does the DS have a true, blue FF12 spinoff, but it also has the next sequel to Square's biggest franchise, DQ9, plus the Mana games and now two original FF 3D remakes.

Meanwhile, the PSP has seen mostly ports of Square games, not even remakes, but PORTS (aka the Capcom treatment).

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And honestly, I'd be more impressed if Dragon Quest IX was a Wii title.

I'm sure Nintendo is impressed with it being a DS title all the same. The DQ franchise represents a SERIOUS commitment by Square to Nintendo hardware, and if the Wii does well in the coming year, DQ10 could easily be a Wii title.

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So while I'd prefer Megaman (I like Dante too, but he's never been on a Nintendo platform), I think Ryu would fit quite nicely into Smash.

I just don't see it as likely, especially since the SF series has been 90% rehashes on the PSP and download services as of late.

That aside, it'd be Megaman. Not only is the software support better, but Megaman has been Capcom's icon for generations, even before SF. Megaman is Capcom's Mario.  

[Adrock]

I could take the bait and argue all that, but I won't at the risk of getting even further off topic. All I'll say is that you took my "Nintendo and Namco are like BFF now" comment way to literally. While I think the two companies developed a great business relationship for various reasons, my original point was that no one really mentions Namco when in comes to 3rd party additions to Brawl. I'd love to see KOS-MOS in the game (and no, I don't think Nintendo owns Xenosaga now). Smash needs more female characters. Man, I'd die if Sophitia was in the game (highly unlikely) though Nightmare would probably be cooler. Nobuyuki Hiyama was the VA for Seigfried/Nightmare and Link (until Twilight Princess). I digress.....

And if a Capcom character were to appear in Brawl, it'd most likely be Megaman which I'm perfectly okay with. I'm just saying that Ryu would in fact fit into the game. He wouldn't control like he did in Street Fighter. Rather, his moves would have to be adapted into the Smash control scheme (i.e. B = HADOKEN!).

[Smash_Brother]

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I could take the bait and argue all that, but I won't at the risk of getting even further off topic. All I'll say is that you took my "Nintendo and Namco are like BFF now" comment way to literally. While I think the two companies developed a great business relationship for various reasons, my original point was that no one really mentions Namco when in comes to 3rd party additions to Brawl. I'd love to see KOS-MOS in the game (and no, I don't think Nintendo owns Xenosaga now). Smash needs more female characters. Man, I'd die if Sophitia was in the game (highly unlikely) though Nightmare would probably be cooler. Nobuyuki Hiyama was the VA for Seigfried/Nightmare and Link (until Twilight Princess). I digress.....

Fair enough, I just don't see Namco is being "BFF" for Nintendo in any sense. If they made the Tales franchise Ninty exclusive, sure, but thus far, their primary support has still gone mostly to PS360.

As for females in SSBB, there are quite a few which could still be found in existing Nintendo franchises without pulling KOS-MOS.

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And if a Capcom character were to appear in Brawl, it'd most likely be Megaman which I'm perfectly okay with. I'm just saying that Ryu would in fact fit into the game. He wouldn't control like he did in Street Fighter. Rather, his moves would have to be adapted into the Smash control scheme (i.e. B = HADOKEN!).

I'm sure he could, but I do think it would be redundant since fighting is already what he does.  

[Adrock]

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As for females in SSBB, there are quite a few which could still be found in existing Nintendo franchises without pulling KOS-MOS.

Yeah, but Nintendo doesn't have any badass robot chicks, now do they? Seriously though, there are a number of characters in general that Nintendo could use without ever considering any 3rd party addition. That's besides the point though. Why not consider all the alternatives?

Anyway, here are a few female Nintendo characters I think would make interesting newcomers in Smash (in no particular order): Daisy, Krystal, Paula, Captain Syrup, Mona, and Midna.

[anubis6789]

I actually find Ryu to be too bland to be in an SSB game, just a white gi and a red headband, not to mention that his specials will be almost exactly like Mario's. I almost think the same way about Snake except that he has some personality (e.g., a somewhat goofy sense of humor) were all Ryu does is try and become stronger. If Capcom is to be represented it better be by Megaman, and by Megaman, I mean the original not X, not Legends, and for the love of all that is holy it better not be .EXE. Just so you all know, this is all coming from a HUGE SF fan, it was the game that really got me into video games in the first place.

[Strell]

Spoof SF?

Holy god SB.  I mean you've said some nonsense in the past, but criminy.

Do you think Mario Kart is a spoof of racers?

[Arbok]

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As for females in SSBB, there are quite a few which could still be found in existing Nintendo franchises without pulling KOS-MOS.

   

Advance Wars must be represented...

[Adrock]

Mario Kart is a spoof on intelligent and fair AI.

EDIT: I forgot about Advance Wars. Good call, though they wouldn't be my first choice.