Author Topic: Son half-assed ripped off Nintendo (Read 41185 times)

Jin-X · « **Reply #50 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:47:31 PM »

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Originally posted by: Michael8983
Regardless of how inferior it is, this still sucks.
It's funny how people are always bitching about Nintendo supposable being paranoid and being too secretive.
They complained about Nintendo only showing the console and not the controller at E3 last year. Which is probably why they decided to reveal it at the TGS. Now look what's happened. If Nintendo had waited, this probably would have been avoided.

Yeah but they did the same with Sunshine like it was revolutionary, no pun intended, when it was clearly not. But now they'll become the most secretive organization in the history of mankind.

EasyCure · « **Reply #51 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:48:17 PM »

im not going to let this news ruin the big day tomorrow. i will be at the nintendo store and i will have fun.
if anyone else is going, i'll be the one with the F*CK $ONY tshirt on. i'll see you there

mantidor · « **Reply #52 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:49:15 PM »

I think the casuals will have no clue about the gyroscope in the ps3 controller.

cubist · « **Reply #53 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:50:34 PM »

Sad indeed.

I've gotten over the first stage of fanboy ranting...

Let's go Nintendo...don't come out tomorrow all mild and timid...come out with a game face and kick some ass...

ProtoNY · « **Reply #54 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:50:46 PM »

I think that this is really a non-starter. First, compare how late in the hardware development cylcle that Sony would have introduced this to developers. I would not be surprised if the "implementation" in some games is basically remapping the left analog stick to these functions so that already developed software is "compatible".

Sony basically put a feature out that would make them look like they are being innovative with minimal risk. I believe that with the minimal risk, comes minimal reward. They aren't going to gain any ports from Wii because the functionality of the PS3 controller is more primative. The only people who are going to lap it up are the fanboys - and they were going to buy the system no matter what. I think that they miss the mark when it comes to adding a feature that brings in someone who had not already made up their mind. Doubly so, considering the price point.

--Proto

slacker · « **Reply #55 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:52:07 PM »

This just confirms how great Nintendo's controller is suppose to be. Even Sony is trying to blunt the momentum. I think reaction by Sony will further strengthened Nintendo's position among hardcore gamers and it will further allow the Wii to be compared against the PS3 on a fairly even playing field. Sure Sony probably has superior graphics, HD, Blu-Ray (which may not survive the format war and pretty much requires HDTV not DTV for maximum picture quality), a tilt sensitive controller with possibly no games for it, and a $500 - $600 price tag. Nintendo on the other hand has decent graphics, progressive scan at 480p, possible DVD capabilities (not sure about this), a truely 3D controller with games for it, and possibly a price tag of $200 - $300 bucks. Sounds pretty even doesn't it?

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #56 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:54:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
This comes from UncleBob in PlanetChat: Wikipedia - PlayStation 3
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Well, let's see. They stole a bunch of crap from Nintendo, and they act like they came up with it. That's about all you need to know.

Link to an even better screencap I made.

Chode2234 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:55:27 PM »

All I can do is laugh. What a crappy feable attempt by Sony. Not that I am a big fan, but like to think of myself as open minded. I feel sorry for them, this was their big chance to make an impression and their presentation fell flat on its face. What an incredible dissapointment.

And to top it all off they blatently ripped off Nintendo. How will the fanbois live that one down. Sony is strugglin'. After watching and reading reaction to the press conference on Slashdot, I feel like I have just seen a house of cards come tumbling down with a gust of wind.

zakkiel · « **Reply #58 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:55:29 PM »

I suggest we relieve blood pressure for the next 14 hours by coming up with possible Nintendo responses. Here's mine:

The conference opens, revealing IWATA-SAN at the podium while beside him, MIYAMOTO-SAN is playing Pilotwings with what appears to be... a giant dual-shock controller. He's trying to control it entirely by tilt and doing quite badly.

MIYAMOTO: Iwata-san, we're losing!
IWATA: What'ss wrongu, Miyamoto-san?
MIYAMOTO: We needu mow powuh!

As he speaks, REGGIE enters, seizes the dual-shock from his hands, and smashes it on the ground. It shatters, revealing inside: the Wiimote.

IWATA: Sank you, Mr Fils-Aimesu!
He takes the remote and begins performing dazzling feats of aerial prowess
REGGIE: No problem, Iwata-san. In addition to kicking ass and taking names, I'm all about taking out the trash.
Deafening applause.

Mario · « **Reply #59 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:57:06 PM »

It just gets better, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509be.pdf

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #60 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:58:44 PM »

AHAHAHAH

That takes care of that nasty lawsuit issue now doesn't it. How convienient.

vudu · « **Reply #61 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:59:20 PM »

i.e. We're not being forced to get rid of rumble, we're doing it because we want to. It was stupid anyway.

Jin-X · « **Reply #62 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:00:19 PM »

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Originally posted by: mantidor
I think the casuals will have no clue about the gyroscope in the ps3 controller.

You can bet Sony is gonna tell them all about it in a lame ass attempt to steal Nintendo's thunder, of course we will all now the truth, its up Nintenso to show them the truth and how its done.

UncleBob · « **Reply #63 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:01:38 PM »

Well, I guess we can stop accusing Sony of stealing the Rumble!

jasonditz · « **Reply #64 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:01:52 PM »

When does Nintendo ever not bring it to an E3?

Sony managed two things in their conference

1. They conceded that the Wiimote is a good idea but made only a half-hearted attempt to replicate it.
2. They actually managed to make the Xbox 360 look cheap.

Shecky · « **Reply #65 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:02:58 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
It just gets better, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509be.pdf

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

Lets see, developer is making a game using the tilt features, maybe they could not make the controller vibrate while there at it?... never mind a simple on/off switch on the controller.

Sounds like they're taking some heat from that lawsuit.

Edit: And then it's no wonder why it's lighter than the previous models. Can they even call it a Dual Shock? The shock is gone.

mantidor · « **Reply #66 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:03:50 PM »

you know maybe sony will lower the price down the line to "appear" cheaper, it works.

It still wont come down from $400.

BigJim · « **Reply #67 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:04:13 PM »

The Wikipedia entry is hilarious.

LOL, they're removing the rumble due to "interference" with the tilt sensors.

The small fanboy part of me that still exists imagines Reggie coming on stage, ripping off his shirt, and declaring "F*ck Sony and F*ck the Wii. THIS... IS... A REVOLUTION!!!"

All Mentions of Wii are crossed out on their show slides and "Revolution" is penned in above/below it.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #68 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:04:17 PM »

"I wonder what Ian's going to say about this..."

Looks like a pretty inferior rip-off and it probably won't make the slightest difference. Still this doesn't mean Nintendo instantly "wins" or anything like that. It's all about what games are actually made. It looks like Sony's first motion control game is ass. Fair enough but the "normal" games might be fantastic. Nintendo technically hasn't shown any games yet. They still have to prove that THEIR motion control is awesome with some killer games. We'll find that out tomorrow.

Sony's bigger problem is that price. F*ck that's steep.

I question why Nintendo revealed the remote so early though. They were afraid the idea would be stolen and that's EXACTLY what happened. But no they hid the speaker instead. Luckily Sony didn't do a good job of copying the idea but what if they had? Seems like Nintendo gambled on that one.

ProtoNY · « **Reply #69 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:05:27 PM »

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Originally posted by: slacker
This just confirms how great Nintendo's controller is suppose to be. Even Sony is trying to blunt the momentum.

Don't forget that Nintendo is still in the pimp slot, too. I guarantee that Nintendo had vary strategies for tomorrow's presentation based upon what Sony did today.

Personally, I'd expect the following to be made crystal clear tomorrow:

1. The obviously lower pricepoint for Wii.
2. The earlier release date for Wii.
3. A "wow" item about the controller that Nintendo has kept out of the sights of the industry media.
4. A stronger than imagined showing of 3rd party support.

I would be surprised if Nintendo didn't drop more than a few bombs tomorrow. There are so many possibilities. Gamecube titles that disappeared without much fanfare instantly comes to mind.

What I would absolutely love to see is more of the love from Square Enix. If both titles announced are launch titles, they might already be planning something else. Just imagine if the rumored FFVII remake was actually coming to Wii. Talk about a major shakeup that would be!

I really don't think that Nintendo could blow this one if they tried. They are in a unique position that they have not found themselves in before at E3. They have a potential "killer app" in Wii, and they are holding all the cards. Tomorrow can't get here soon enough.

--Proto

ruby_onix · « **Reply #70 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:05:50 PM »

I'm surprised they didn't say that there wasn't enough power left in the batteries for rumble after their weemote wipoff.

But I guess they don't ... *battery dies*

Mario · « **Reply #71 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:08:13 PM »

Oh yeah, this isn't the only thing they copied poorly.

Did you guys all see the F1 PS3 PSP connectivity features? Hook up your $250 PSP and you get a REAR VIEW look at the race. Pressing L1 just isn't as exciting when you can look at all the action simultaniously on your PSP!

EasyCure · « **Reply #72 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:11:33 PM »

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Originally posted by: zakkiel
I suggest we relieve blood pressure for the next 14 hours by coming up with possible Nintendo responses. Here's mine:

The conference opens, revealing IWATA-SAN at the podium while beside him, MIYAMOTO-SAN is playing Pilotwings with what appears to be... a giant dual-shock controller. He's trying to control it entirely by tilt and doing quite badly.

MIYAMOTO: Iwata-san, we're losing!
IWATA: What'ss wrongu, Miyamoto-san?
MIYAMOTO: We needu mow powuh!

As he speaks, REGGIE enters, seizes the dual-shock from his hands, and smashes it on the ground. It shatters, revealing inside: the Wiimote.

IWATA: Sank you, Mr Fils-Aimesu!

He takes the remote and begins performing dazzling feats of aerial prowess
REGGIE: No problem, Iwata-san. In addition to kicking ass and taking names, I'm all about taking out the trash.
Deafening applause.

thats the best laugh i've had all day, thanks lol. i was ready to post a thought of reggie coming out in commando garb and not saying a damn word, just standing behind iwata and miyamoto as their "muscle"
no taking names, just mental notes of whom to take out first with the first ever machine gun-wiimote attachment!
he'll start blasting the non believers as iwata and miyamoto describe the different things the machine gun attachment will do. when he's out of ammo he'll pull out his Nintendo Bow that shoots Wii-arrows and uses the "big secret" feature of the remote; heat sensing!! Reggie will then let a barrage of heat seaking wii-arrows into the crowd as miyamoto smiles and iwata explains all the possibilities this could bring to gaming. (no need to worry about nintendo fans, they will all be seated by the air conditioning).

iwata: some of you have criticized our choice in naming our next revolutionary console. you have said that it is childish and immature. now with these innovative attachments, when a sony or ms fanboy point and laugh becuase you are playing with your "wii-wii" you can simply open up a can of whoop ass on them.

miyamoto: ::laughs and smiles::

lastexit · « **Reply #73 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:15:07 PM »

This is a really sad, last-minute knock-off from Sony. Great news for Nintendo.

The key here is that Nintendo has disrupted Sony. Sony was forced to scramble and throw this together after Nintendo revealed the general concept (but not the product itself). The technology introduced in the Sony controller is completely different and only really helps with marketing, at best. It's a cheap knock-off, it's rushed, and it's very poor quality.

One of the things to undersand is that the Wiimote's "revolutionary" features are as dependant on software as anything else. The system was designed around the remote. Sony's last-minute-stuff-it-in-a-dual-shock is not going to feel natural or responsive. I'd be surprised if it's utilized in any signifcant away. Maybe a "frogger" game is coming for PS3 but NOTHING like what Nintendo has already let people see, play and brag about in the national press.

Sony is really treading water right now. Nintendo has to be feeling real good as Sony's attempts to copy have validated their idea.

The Omen · « **Reply #74 on:** May 08, 2006, 06:16:25 PM »

A very desperate attempt to make it seem as though they weren't caught with their pants down when all this info about the Wii surfaced. I am actually more embarrassed for Sony than anything else because of how dumb this looks.

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