Author Topic: Son half-assed ripped off Nintendo (Read 41176 times)

trip1eX · « **Reply #25 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:14:01 PM »

Yeah $600 will be like the 360 premium package.

Wiimote at least has pointer functionality and each part of the controller has gyros.

I don't think this hurts Nintendo alot.

Nintendo already wasn't doing hi-def and they are coming it at a much lower pricepoint.

It's sad it's so easy for a company like Sony to copy them tho.

Jensen · « **Reply #26 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:15:06 PM »

oops

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #27 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:16:27 PM »

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LOL this only has 6 degrees of control. It's basically a joystick you can tard around with in the air, what a JOKE

I can't wait to see what devs actually do with this horrible form of "motion-control"...

cubist · « **Reply #28 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:16:56 PM »

They haven't had it very long because they decided to use it after Nintendo's unveiling of the controller.

mantidor · « **Reply #29 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:20:06 PM »

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LMAO $500? they are insane.

PS3 = $600
PS3 Retard Pack = $500

hahaha, I didnt noticed... they are seriously retarded, that thing wont take off, its obvious that ms is going to lower the price and they get screwed, at least in NA. The interesting thing here is that both the wii and ps3 will launch at almost the same time, Nintendo better have a killer launch line up (from what we've seen, this is very likely).

Mario · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:21:48 PM »

Wii = future market leader

BigJim · « **Reply #31 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:22:42 PM »

Did anybody else see the guy demonstrating the motion in a game?

He looked like he was trying to dance like Napoleon Dynamite. It was ridiculous. He was shifting the controller all over the freaking place to do simple things on the screen.

It's a completely craptacular ripoff, but Sony fanboys will think they invented it or something. Ugh.

vudu · « **Reply #32 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:22:58 PM »

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I hope they get sued straight to hell.

I don't think Nintendo can sue. IIRC, you can only patent the implementation, not the idea. So as long as Sony didn't copy Nintendo's method (which it doesn't appear they did) they're in the clear.

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #33 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:23:40 PM »

Kid - "Mommy, buy me a PS3!"
Mom - "$600!?! That's more than our monthly mortgage and car payments combined!"

Michael8983 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:24:51 PM »

I'm sorry but are people really going to pay almost as much for a PS3 as they would for a PC?
Some will but Nintendo is going to be a very tempting alternative with a price that will be at least half and probably even a third of it. Then you have to take into account that for the console to be really worth the cost, you need an HDTV to go along with it.
Sony got away with upping the standard price a little last generation but that was when it was the first out the door with a stranglehold on third-party support. Not to mention the addition of DVD playback which made the price jump more acceptable. Even the XBox didn't pull ahead of the Gamecube until MS packaged it with TWO free games.

jasonditz · « **Reply #35 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:25:03 PM »

So they stuck a tilt sensor in a PS2 controller, who cares? It's still $600 for the system for Christsake. For that price you could hire a bunch of homeless guys to move realistically whenever you tilt a dual shock controller.

Seriously though, the Wiimote sounds like a lot more than just a tilt sensor. Adding one to a current generation system seems like a fairly trivial idea (Nintendo's been putting those things in GB carts for years now) and I don't blame Sony one bit for jumping on that bandwagon (its what they do best).

They've still got a big problem though: actually they've got 600 big problems.

Two things they still have to fear:

1. Microsoft dropping the 360's price before the PS3 launches. $600 versus $400 is bad enough: if Microsoft decides to go all out and drop it to $300: how many people are really going to pay double for what appears to be an only incrementally better system?

2. Nintendo's Wii booth. If the Wii controller handles vastly superior to the PS3's (which seems very likely), it makes Sony look foolish.

In short, I think Sony's got a very tough sell here. Mainstream gamers aren't, despite appearances, total morons. The people who buy annual Madden editions are probably going to flock to either the Xbox 360 for a nearly identical game on a much cheaper system, or the Wii for the unique control system.

Oh well, at least I've narrowed my "what console to buy" question down to two. I'll be damned if I shell out $600 for a video game console.

capamerica · « **Reply #36 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:25:18 PM »

man I'm so pissed off right now. I knew $ony would do this, they always copy Nintendo. Now $ony is going to promote the fact that they have their version of the Wii controller, Have better graphics, A XboxLive rip-off services and a crappy Blu-Ray player. And all for the low low price of $500.

Man. The only thing that could get me more pissed off is to find out Nintendo didn't see this coming.
They better show off something freaken amazing tomorrow and change the name to something that isn't so wussy.

vudu · « **Reply #37 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:25:47 PM »

This comes from UncleBob in PlanetChat: Wikipedia - PlayStation 3

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Well, let's see. They stole a bunch of crap from Nintendo, and they act like they came up with it. That's about all you need to know.

EasyCure · « **Reply #38 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:25:57 PM »

i've calm down enough and kept myself from making incoherant post out of the rage i felt when i first found this out only a few minutes ago.

i agree with mario. nintendo could very well be the market leader because their remote is the real deal not this put together at last minute crap that sony has just shown off. those prices are completely ludicrous and the second MS drops their prices, ps3 is screwed. that combined with their faux 3d controls making their games suck harder than they normaly would is going to make Wii much better by comparison.

i feel better now

OverHeat · « **Reply #39 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:26:41 PM »

I think the fact that their controller will not have a motion sensor near you TV speaks volumes about it's presicion. I think Mario hit it on the head. It will be a worthless joke that only a few of the launch games will take advantage of, and then it will never really be used again. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if 8months to a year later Sony is realeasing a cheaper version of the controller without that ability.

But what I want to know is more important. Even though WE all know its gonna be crap, will everyone else? Or will Sony's marketing machine have everyone believing that their controller is "just like Nintendo's"? Remember, this was the company that had gamers pointing to FMV's and saying Playstation's graphics are AWESOME! Nintendo64 cant look like that! Then, enough people, interested in the concept, but not ready to buy ANOTHER video game system after the hefty chunk of change they dropped for their PS3, will try the Sony offering. It will suck, and they will think; "Man Nintendo IS stupid! I sure am glad I was able to try this crappy flash-in-the-pan concept on a machine that will offer more than just THAT." If you think about it, bad word of mouth on motion sensing in general could get in circulation if Sony does this right. I wonder... would it be financially worthwhile to them to do that on purpose? Try and sabotage Nintendo's bid to show a new gaming concept? Given how things are looking for them in Japan.....

Well, here is the thing. Nintendo can actually make this work to their advantage, but there is one critical thing they must do. Launch BEFORE PS3. If they can get the Wii out in early enough, word of mouth about the system will have already spread. Then, when the PS3 comes out and people play a subpar version, they will be even ANGRIER about dropping 600 bones on that system. On the other hand, if PS3 gets out first, or very, very close to Wii, it could be yet another uphill battle for Nintendo, one they probably didnt think they would face. People thinking their controller "doesnt work" without ever trying their controller. Of course, people will become familiar with the truth after a while, but by then it will already be too late. Stupid Sony....

denjet78 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:28:45 PM »

People, calm down. This isn't the same tech. Basically Sony took a PS2 controller and stuck some gyroscops in it. Now gyroscops are cool and all but the Wii controller completely blows it out of the water.

From what I gather, it doesn't detect real-time 3D space, which is also why it doesn't need any extra hardware or sensors. It's just a gyro. Sure you can move it around, in an empty 3D relation to itself, but you can't do everything that you can do with the Wii controller.

There will be no sword fighting.

No cooking.

No Tennis.

None of the features that make the Wii controller so special. The technology just isn't there and that's because Sony only did what they thought they had to do in order to negate Nintendo's own innovations. The thing is, the PS3 controller is just a pale immitator.

I'm expecting everyone to jump on the bandwagon though and praise Sony for their intelligence and forthought. How they brought about the next great innovation in gaming. And of course all the Sony fanboys will eat it up and before long it'll be "common knowledge" that Nintendo ripped off Sony's idea. And don't even try to tell me that I'm overracting. I've met more than 1 Sony fanboy who clames Sony invented the anologue stick, shoulder buttons, rumble, and even 3D gaming all together! Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses.

So Nintendo isn't doomed but their's a good chance that Sony is going to be able to convince enough people that they're using the same idea to keep Nintendo from really making a dent. I really hope price turns out to be a factor but considering what Sony fans will lap up, I'm not betting on it.

Mario · « **Reply #41 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:29:42 PM »

It's like a downgraded Wario Ware Twisted cart.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #42 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:30:03 PM »

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LOL this only has 6 degrees of control. It's basically a joystick you can tard around with in the air, what a JOKE

It might be possible that they intended to say 6 axes of control. Up, down, left, right, forward, backward. Or maybe rolling in some directions.

We should probably be careful not to underestimate Sony. Plus even six degrees would still enable quite a lot, if used well. Of course, if all Sony has is a weak "box lifting demo" right now, and they're launching the system in November, then they most certainly won't have any quality uses of the feature until well after launch, if ever. But still, it's something they can boast about, and can probably shake some people's Rev hype.

Crimm · « **Reply #43 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:30:39 PM »

That's actually Hirai, because he had the best pic available. I tried to capture one from the stream of that grin, but I missed it.

Jin-X · « **Reply #44 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:32:26 PM »

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I hope they get sued straight to hell.
I don't think Nintendo can sue. IIRC, you can only patent the implementation, not the idea. So as long as Sony didn't copy Nintendo's method (which it doesn't appear they did) they're in the clear.

Yeah I know, but we can still dream.

Today in courtTV, slimy c*nt a-holes Sony pathetically try to defend themselves, judge agrees, Nintendo pwned Sony.

AnyoneEB · « **Reply #45 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:34:13 PM »

Uh, I assume they meant six degrees of freedom = pitch, yaw, roll, x, y, z. On the other hand, no sensor bar means no pointing. They only read absolute rotation from gyros and relative position (with a good amount of error) from the accellerometers.

This could be interesting for ports because it would mean that 3rd parties could possibly make PS3/Wii games that would not work on the XBox 360. On the other hand, the Wii's nunchuk alone has motion sensing comparable to the PS3's controller, so any PS3-->Wii port would still need either redone controlls or simply accepting that it would be underusing the Wii's controll abilities.

What interested me was the launch date: November 11(Japan)/17(US and Aus). It is not really surprising, but I expect that Nintendo will shoot for before the PS3's launch date, and probably by a couple weeks to distance themselves. Nov. 1 launch? Or Oct 26?

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #46 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:34:23 PM »

Honestly, I think people are going to forget about this feature quickly. When none of the launch games make use of it, how will anybody know it exists? To casual and mainstream gamers alike, the controller looks exactly the same. With the Wii, it's quite obvious.

Jin-X · « **Reply #47 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:41:44 PM »

That is my prob with this, they just included it so they can say its the "same". The casuals have no clue as to what is going on, and they're not the smartest bunch either.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #48 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:43:40 PM »

Regardless of how inferior it is, this still sucks.
It's funny how people are always bitching about Nintendo supposable being paranoid and being too secretive.
They complained about Nintendo only showing the console and not the controller at E3 last year. Which is probably why they decided to reveal it at the TGS. Now look what's happened. If Nintendo had waited, this probably would have been avoided.

BigJim · « **Reply #49 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:43:49 PM »

It's like they stuck Wario Ware GBA inside the PS2 controller. It's merely tilt sensitive and nothing more. This is nothing on the Wiimote, but still it's pretty sad.

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Author Topic: Son half-assed ripped off Nintendo (Read 41176 times)