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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2006, 07:46:12 PM »
I'm going to be pissed if it's an April fools joke cause it's too early and too sensitive of a subject to be messing around with.

Though GCN and Xbox specs mattered little, the 360 and Revolution are both made by the same companies so specs will be fair game for comparisons.
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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2006, 07:46:44 PM »
woe is us...

This one really hurts, I can't even fanthom who's making these decisions. Let's think about what's goin to happen here: Let's say it's 2010 and the next-gen is at full force, us Ninty fans will be still playing with outdated technology and graphics from ten years back!! No matter what Super-crazy-shader-XL-teh bumpmaster tech they might come up with, i still think that it will feel almost embarrassin to play 1999 vs 2009. yea yea yea sooner or later nintendo will hav some pretty stuff to show but why not with the freedom it deserves.

At the end of the day money rules most and Nintendo is a business first and we are feeling the effect.
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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2006, 08:05:25 PM »
Mac users are feeling the effects to this day. This is what happens when your smaller focused company has to face competition from huge mega corporations that can outspend you to the moon. You either adapt and change your strategy, or slowly wither away into nothing like Apple was doing before Steve Jobs returned to the company.

...Doh! Another Apple comparison! ARggggghhhhhh!

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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2006, 08:07:25 PM »
This is Nintendo showing off the controller and then gesturing for Sony to come and step all over them; "Here Sony, steal our ideas, we are not going to defend them with hardware, hell, we might as well not even have a system so in five years when you clone our controller on the PS4 noone will care because we never did anything with it.  People might even go so far as to say you saved that innovation from our cold dead hands."  

Why isn't Nintendo just partnering with MS?  Why isn't the Revolution controller the interface for one of the other two consoles?
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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2006, 08:08:51 PM »
Good news for me as this only further confirms I won't be paying much for my Revolution when I pick it up at launch. As I have no intentions of buying any mutliplatform port of a boring, bland game, I couldn't care less about that either. If people don't like it, nuts to them. Enjoy playing NFL Roster Update elsewhere.  

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2006, 08:09:46 PM »
Probably because Nintendo can't financially remain what it is if it loses out on royalties. They do a LOT of experimental gaming work behind the scenes at Nintendo, on both the software and hardware side.

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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2006, 08:11:12 PM »
Comparing GPU clockrates is completely pointless unless the GPUs use the same architecture.
My Geforce 3 runs at about 215MHZ, while a 7800GTX runs at 430MHZ.  Though it only has twice the clockspeed,  the 7800 can push through at least 10 as many pixels, with many other added features.  Because  GPUs are massively parallel, clock speed doesn't say much.

CPUs, on the other hand, usually have much less variance between brands and generations at the same speed.  AMD CPUs are about 50% more efficient than Intel CPUs per clock.   So you can get a very rough idea of power from the CPU Mhz speed.

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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2006, 08:12:32 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty amateurish of IGN to compare these clock rates when the entire tech industry has moevd on to benchmarks of one kind or another.

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2006, 08:14:01 PM »
The good news is I might be able to afford 4 controllers and 2 or 3 games at launch! YES!

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2006, 08:15:59 PM »
Nemo: stop posting. At least calm down, take a step back and read what you're posting.
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I'm going to be pissed if it's an April fools joke cause it's too early and too sensitive of a subject to be messing around with.

LOL, seriously.

Also, Matt is apparently refusing to answer the claims of April Fools on the IGN message boards.

Also x 2, even if these random numbers are actually true, i'll believe Iwata over IGN. "Specs really don't matter"  

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2006, 08:32:08 PM »
Isn't anyone even the least bit surprised that no other sites are reporting this?  

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2006, 08:34:09 PM »
It's not April fools, it's only March 29, it'd make no sense.

So how about them Bronkos?

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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2006, 08:35:32 PM »
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Also, Matt is apparently refusing to answer the claims of April Fools on the IGN message boards.

Also x 2, even if these random numbers are actually true, i'll believe Iwata over IGN. "Specs really don't matter"


It's not even April yet.

And like I already said, it is entirely fair to compare spec numbers between 360 and Revolution (it wouldn't be so fair to compare PS3) as ATI made the GPU in both systems and IBM made the CPU in both systems.  



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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2006, 09:04:41 PM »
Um, bullshit?

1: Notice that the CPU frequency is carefully chosen to be slightly under the Xbox1 CPU clock so dimwits can point and say 'Dur! is slower than the Xbox1! Dur!'.
2: Maintained same CPU to GPU clock ratio despite different rates of development in CPU and GPU technology in last 5 years
3: Why have 24MB of 1-T RAM plus a second block of 64MB of 1-T RAM? If they're really just stretching the GC then surely they'll  have 24MB of faster 1-T plus more DRAM or they'll have more than 24MB of 1-T in a single block. Two blocks of different sizes is bonkers - what underlying manufacturing constraint would lead to that?
4: They haven't increased the embedded 1-T RAM in the GPU (hint, IGN say this so it doesn't appear to threaten the 360 with 10MB embedded RAM)

I expect the Revolution to have disappointing specs - they may even be as disappointing as the ones IGN 'leaked', but the particular 'specs' we have here are bullshit
 

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2006, 09:05:15 PM »
I think the problem here is that we don't have any physical evidence to reassure us yet. There are no in game stills, or game footage to at least show that Nintendo was warranted in how much power they picked to stick under the hood. Now if Nintendo plans to wait tell E3 to prove us wrong, then it could really be too late for many. Word like this spreads very quickly, especially around the net, and if this mentality is left to brood then people really will begin to think the system isn't up to snuff even when examples are shown to the contrary.

In fact, it's like the whole HD TV argument, with the number of people who own them yet don't watch HD channels. They believe the picture is better when watching regular television, even though it’s no different from watching it on a normal TV. Same thing applies to other products, like soft drinks versus generic brands. They might taste identical, but if there is a preconceived notion of one being better then the other, then this will effect our judgment. Much in the same way that if people are told that the Revolution will look just like the Xbox long enough, then they will dismiss the system from the start even if the real world examples prove otherwise. If anything, Nintendo needs to show that the games are up to snuff to at least convince them to try it out and hopefully get hooked on the controller, assuming it will be as fantastic as promised.

To make my overly long story short, having these specs released right now was actually a pretty bad blow to the Revolution unless Nintendo has a counter up their sleeve.
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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2006, 09:09:39 PM »
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To make my overly long story short, having these specs released right now was actually a pretty bad blow to the Revolution.


Yeah - handy that isn't it... Expect some bullshit story about 'unexplored potential' in the Xbox 360 later today and then something about how the PS3 can be used to design nuclear reactors and open wormholes to another dimension tomorrow....

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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2006, 09:09:52 PM »
I'd be surprised if these numbers were not correct.

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Insiders stress that Revolution runs on an extension of the Gekko and Flipper architectures that powered GameCube, which is why studios who worked on GCN will have no problem making the transition to the new machine, they say.


This is why its not a huge jump on processing power from GC to Rev. Quit being so pessimistic guys.

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2006, 09:13:06 PM »
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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #68 on: March 29, 2006, 09:14:43 PM »
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To make my overly long story short, having these specs released right now was actually a pretty bad blow to the Revolution.


Yeah - handy that isn't it... Expect some bullshit story about 'unexplored potential' in the Xbox 360 later today and then something about how the PS3 can be used to design nuclear reactors and open wormholes to another dimension tomorrow....

I know, Nintendo have been trying as hard as they can to keep these silly numbers out of the equation, yet Matt a 'supposed' Nintendo fan leaks all this crap all over the web. What were his intentions?

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2006, 09:18:51 PM »
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I'd be surprised if these numbers were not correct.

IBM has gone from 0.18 micron bulk silicon process to 0.09 micron SOI in the last five years - do you really think they couldn't squeeze more than a 66 percent speed increase out of the Gekko and still sell them to Nintendo now for well under what the Gekko cost originally?

Those specs are either bullshit or Nintendo committing corporate suicide - my money is on bullshit.

 

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« Reply #70 on: March 29, 2006, 09:20:12 PM »
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I know, Nintendo have been trying as hard as they can to keep these silly numbers out of the equation, yet Matt a 'supposed' Nintendo fan leaks all this crap all over the web. What were his intentions?


To generate web traffic for IGN, regardless of what impact it could have to other companies. I don't think there are any surprises there, though.
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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2006, 09:22:03 PM »
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I know, Nintendo have been trying as hard as they can to keep these silly numbers out of the equation, yet Matt a 'supposed' Nintendo fan leaks all this crap all over the web. What were his intentions?


And Nintendo have a good track record keeping secrets - the details of the controller didn't leak out despite Nintendo having apparently prevously shown it to several 3rd party developers, so why would these particular details leak out now?

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RE:IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2006, 09:26:16 PM »
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And Nintendo have a good track record keeping secrets - the details of the controller didn't leak out despite Nintendo having apparently prevously shown it to several 3rd party developers, so why would these particular details leak out now?


Because there are now a bigger pool of developers, as I assume anyone who plans to have a Revolution game at or near launch now has these development kits. So a larger pool of developers means that it's easier to release information due to the fact that it's harder for a company to track down a particular leak. Of course they could be bogus, and IGN could have mud on their face, but it will probably hurt Nintendo more in the long run unless they get out a quick press release to flat out deny this.
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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2006, 09:27:28 PM »
Real specs or not, think how amazing Resident Evil 4 would look with all of that extra power.  Or Twilight Princess.

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RE: IGN Leaks Some Rev Specs Again! 3/29/06
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2006, 09:36:11 PM »
Phase 1: Shock.

Now Entering:

Phase 2: Denial. With a pinch of meaningless conspiracy theories.

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