Author Topic: Revolution Specs to Never be Revealed? (Read 23876 times)

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #50 on:** November 03, 2005, 12:56:59 PM »

Already have a plan, just need 300 LBS of C-4

denjet78 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 03, 2005, 04:47:06 PM »

Back before the jump to 3D, did anyone at all care about specs? Not that I know of. People were busy bitching about how Nintendo had the blood in MK replaced with sweat. I don't recall any talk about specs... Well, there was that "Blast Processing" thing with the Genesis/Mega Drive but most people were smart enough not to buy into it.

So why do people care now?

MARKETING!

Sony came in and applied real marketing to the industry. As in lies, twisting the truth, saying and doing whatever it took to get the consumer to buy your product. How were honest companies (Nintendo, Sega) supposed to compete with that? In a nut shell, they couldn't. And I hope they'll never stoop to that level.

I love the idea of Nintendo not releasing specs, just stating that it's going to be on par with the other consoles graphically. There's been talk floating around that Nintendo's even developed a new graphical display method that lets relatively weak hardware display incredible graphics. No matter what happens, if the games look good, why do you care so much about what's running it? Hell, I don't even care if the games look good! I just want a crack at that new controller.

The industry is being pulled in two directions right now. One is Sony and MS' unending and unwinnable technology cold war. In the end, what will that bring? Umm... a few more polygons here and there, higher res textures? In the end, they won't matter. Technological leaps are getting smaller and smaller. Soon enough most people won't even be able to tell the difference from one generation to the next.

I'm so glad Nintendo decided to go another way, the way where we're actually going to get to play new and interesting games instead of just rehashes of last gen software with a bit of new tech paint slathered on it.

When we see Rev games we'll know whether the system can stack up graphically and if the GC is any indication Nintendo really knows what they're doing even with much weaker hardware. However, when we play Rev games... There simply isn't going to be any comparison.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #52 on:** November 03, 2005, 06:01:42 PM »

"Back before the jump to 3D, did anyone at all care about specs?"

Are you kidding? It was all about the bits! The Genesis had "16 bit" printed right on it's front. The Turbo Graffix 16 had the bit number in the damn title. Although it was a huge flop the Jaguar's slogan was "Do the math" in reference to it being the first "64 bit" console. They used to make a big deal about how many megs cartridges were. Strider was the first 8 meg cartridge. It said so right on the box. The Neo-Geo had "100 meg shocker" in the intro for some of their games. Sega made a big deal about blast processing. Nintendo made a big deal about Mode 7. Part of Star Fox's promotion was on the fancy Super FX chip inside the cartridge.

Hardware wang waving has been around as long as the console wars themselves.

Arbok · « **Reply #53 on:** November 03, 2005, 08:01:51 PM »

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Are you kidding? It was all about the bits! The Genesis had "16 bit" printed right on it's front. The Turbo Graffix 16 had the bit number in the damn title. Although it was a huge flop the Jaguar's slogan was "Do the math" in reference to it being the first "64 bit" console. They used to make a big deal about how many megs cartridges were. Strider was the first 8 meg cartridge. It said so right on the box. The Neo-Geo had "100 meg shocker" in the intro for some of their games. Sega made a big deal about blast processing. Nintendo made a big deal about Mode 7. Part of Star Fox's promotion was on the fancy Super FX chip inside the cartridge.

Hardware wang waving has been around as long as the console wars themselves.

Perfect summation of it, except that the origin of the "64" in Nintendo64 was grazed over as it really was the last marker of the "bit" era.

Anyway the only thing that has really changed today is that there is no longer a single marker that most companies use when they talk about power like the "bit" was... aspects like the Genesis having better sound weren't even talked about back in the day either, but it had the better graphices to tout for most of its life span so perhaps that took first and foremost priority (still amazes me, though, that the system pretty much uses a NES controller with "select" becoming "c"... kills the chance to port over any complex SNES games).

wandering · « **Reply #54 on:** November 03, 2005, 08:50:59 PM »

I've been consistenly impressed with how Nintendo has been managing to dance their way out of getting any negative publicity. This is another good move, business wise.

You guys are talking about how it doesn't matter if Nintendo doesn't release the specs because the masses will infer that the revolution is less powerful. But, you know, I think that's giving the masses too much credit. They couldn't infer that the ps2 was the weakest of the 3 consoles. And they don't seem to be picking up on the fact that the REV will be underpowered now. Nintendo's secrecy and vague marketingspeak about the REV being visually comparable and being "a jaguar inside" actually seems to be causing people to at least give them the benefit of the doubt....which is all Nintendo needs. Releasing an unimpressive spec sheet now would probably be suicide - but by the time the specs finally do get out there, and they probably will eventually, people won't care because by then they'll have seen the Rev's amazing graphics and control and it won't really matter.

Arbok · « **Reply #55 on:** November 03, 2005, 09:14:10 PM »

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Nintendo's secrecy and vague marketingspeak about the REV being visually comparable and being "a jaguar inside"....

Did you have to use that quote after Atari's Jaguar had just been brought up?

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Releasing an unimpressive spec sheet now would probably be suicide...

Granted, but I wonder if Nintendo actually had to go out on record as saying they would never release them? ...although I suppose if they hadn't rumors of being way behind the other console makers would have been rampant.

wandering · « **Reply #56 on:** November 03, 2005, 09:57:08 PM »

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Did you have to use that quote after Atari's Jaguar had just been brought up?

I actually hadn't thought of that.

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Granted, but I wonder if Nintendo actually had to go out on record as saying they would never release them? ...although I suppose if they hadn't rumors of being way behind the other console makers would have been rampant.

Yeah, if they really aren't going to release them, then it's good they're telling us that now....otherwise, people'd be waiting for them for a long time, and when they didn't show, there'd probably be some kind of nasty backlash.

UncleBob · « **Reply #57 on:** November 04, 2005, 06:13:03 AM »

The Intellivision was the first 8-Bit system...

Ian Sane · « **Reply #58 on:** November 04, 2005, 06:42:14 AM »

"still amazes me, though, that the system pretty much uses a NES controller with "select" becoming "c"... kills the chance to port over any complex SNES games"

Well the Genesis did come out two years before the SNES. They couldn't really take into account porting from a controller that didn't exist yet, could they?

RABicle · « **Reply #59 on:** November 05, 2005, 07:20:27 PM »

HAY HAY GUYZ I FOUND ALL THE SPECS ITS ACTUALLY HIDDEN ON NINTENDOS SITE LOL! THEY ARE PRITTY IMPRESSIVE
L@@K!

KDR_11k · « **Reply #60 on:** November 05, 2005, 07:42:40 PM »

RAB: You forgot to list the DVD playback!

RABicle · « **Reply #61 on:** November 05, 2005, 07:44:50 PM »

I said it supported discs didn't I? Erm I mean. THATS WHUT NINTEDO SED ON THE SHEET EVERYTHING ON THE SHEET IS REAL IT WONT B ABLE TO PLAY MOVIES!

KDR_11k · « **Reply #62 on:** November 06, 2005, 06:28:16 AM »

I meant under "Plays:" you only listed "games".

31 Flavas · « **Reply #63 on:** November 06, 2005, 08:50:18 AM »

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HAY HAY GUYZ I FOUND ALL THE SPECS ITS ACTUALLY HIDDEN ON NINTENDOS SITE LOL! THEY ARE PRITTY IMPRESSIVE
L@@K!

Hm... Didn't we already see this kind of debasing with the pre-launch PSP vs DS debate? The DS was shown to be woefully under spec'd to the PSP and heavily criticized for its input methods. But, we all know which system is clearly prefered now...

odifiend · « **Reply #64 on:** November 06, 2005, 10:34:56 AM »

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L@@K!

Hm... Didn't we already see this kind of debasing with the pre-launch PSP vs DS debate? The DS was shown to be woefully under spec'd to the PSP and heavily criticized for its input methods. But, we all know which system is clearly prefered now...

Unfortunately Nintendo doesn't hold the weight in the console market they do in the handheld market. As much as people ragged on the DS, it pretty much was the next GBA and they knew they were buying it.

TMW · « **Reply #65 on:** November 06, 2005, 12:03:33 PM »

No, as much as people ragged on the DS because they thought it was going to turn into another Virtual Boy.

It proved itself to be a great little system, however. Thats why people are buying it.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #66 on:** November 06, 2005, 01:11:25 PM »

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It proved itself to be a great little system, however. Thats why people are buying it.

And why can't Revolution be a "great little system" as well? The criticizims of Revolution, to me at least, seem as based in reality as the criticisims of the DS were. That is to say not at all based in reality. The only thing that mattered in the pre-release debates was that the PSP out spec'd the DS in everyway imaginable. To suggest the DS would some how survive much less compete against such technical prowess was heresy. Whats the difference between then and now with the Revoution. Im not saying that Revolution will lead the console market (it would be nice, though), but it amazes me how similar the dismissal of the Rev is to what was DS's dismissal. I think it has great potential to become as you say "a great little system" contrary to popular suggestion.

odifiend · « **Reply #67 on:** November 06, 2005, 03:03:52 PM »

"To suggest the DS would some how survive much less compete against such technical prowess was heresy."

Though I don't really remember anything like that, those that thought along those lines are f*ing retards. In the handheld world, Gameboy is practically always out spec'd and it has dominated for 20+ years. The moment DS had backward compatibility and a reasonable price point, it was guaranteed.
As for the Revolution, I think popular suggestion is it has amazing potential. Even the negative people mostly are addressing concerns in Nintendo's strategy (2nd console, targeting nongamers, etc...) rather than dismissing the Rev.

RABicle · « **Reply #68 on:** November 06, 2005, 10:52:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: RABicle
HAY HAY GUYZ I FOUND ALL THE SPECS ITS ACTUALLY HIDDEN ON NINTENDOS SITE LOL! THEY ARE PRITTY IMPRESSIVE
L@@K!
Hm... Didn't we already see this kind of debasing with the pre-launch PSP vs DS debate? The DS was shown to be woefully under spec'd to the PSP and heavily criticized for its input methods. But, we all know which system is clearly prefered now...

While I actually ahte all of you I think I hate 31 Flavours the most.

The whole point of my spec sheet is to show you that all the crap in the PS3 and Xbox 404 columns are as meaningless as my blatherings.

Now you've made me explain it and you've ruined it I hat you all.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #69 on:** November 06, 2005, 11:59:59 PM »

I think there needs to be a divide between "announced specs" and "performance claims".

Hardware makers usually present their announced specs in such a way so that they can convey some performance claims in various forms, without looking like they're bragging. (I don't really feel like writing up anything more about Nintendo and performance claims right now. Maybe later.)

But the announced specs, I feel they're important regardless. They're like... telling people the name/gender/weight of your newborn baby.

It's like, someone goes up to Shiggy and says "Awwww, what a cute widdle baby! What's it's name?" And Shiggy responds "You don't need to know that. If I told you it's name, you'd know it's gender, and then you'd prejudge my baby, and I won't let you do that." My response would be "Fine then. I was just trying to be polite, you jerk. Now I don't even wanna know your turd-spawn."

And then Shiggy goes on a rant about how his baby is gonna grow up to be the next Hitler (even though his last two attempts fell far short) and that people are already lining up to kiss it's butt, and that when the revolution finally hits, I'm gonna be sorry that I passed on the chance to kiss the butt of a baby I knew nothing about.

So what if he's short? So was Napolean. I just wanna feel like I know something about him before he becomes my leader.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #70 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:08:08 AM »

What the hell are you even going on about.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #71 on:** November 07, 2005, 01:52:04 AM »

Specs, dammit!

Ian Sane · « **Reply #72 on:** November 07, 2005, 07:03:42 AM »

"[The DS] proved itself to be a great little system, however. Thats why people are buying it."

The DS sold great at launch too though despite one of the worst launch lineups I've ever seen. It continued to sell well though the horrible post-launch drought. It took a while before it proved itself to be be a "great little system". People bought it initially because (despite Nintendo's insane attempts to prove otherwise) people saw it as the GBA followup and thus it sold well by riding on its predecessor's coattails. Now it has deserved its sales but it didn't initially. The N64 sold really well for the first year too because it was the successor to the SNES. The PS3, regardless of how well it does in the end, will sell huge initially because of the PS2 (in fact that's how the PS2 survived the first year).

The Rev doesn't have that luxury. It's coming from a position of weakness. If anything it has to fight off the stigma of its predecessor. So you can never say "well this worked okay for the DS" because they're totally different situations.

ThePerm · « **Reply #73 on:** November 07, 2005, 08:43:58 AM »

Naploeon was 5'10, he may have been considered short by the at the time 6'0 average...but he is average now thanks to our reduced oxygen levels. His height is largley exaggerated...or inaggerated?

odifiend · « **Reply #74 on:** November 07, 2005, 09:47:11 AM »

Napoleon was 168 cm or 5' 6, not short but still not 5' 10. Reduced oxygen levels, wha?

Yeah, Ian's last paragraph is what i was saying. Ruby that is some serious extended metaphor.

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