Topic: Lost

[BlackNMild2k1]

I haven't started watching this season yet, but I just wanted to inform anyone that wanted to catch up that if you have comcast, they have almost every single episode from every season online in full.

[vudu]

Jungle Claire, who has turned into Rousseau. Maybe the French Team wasn't infected, but Rousseau was?

What?  I assume you don't mean that literally.  And I don't understand your infected comment.

[ShyGuy]

Jungle Claire, who has turned into Rousseau. Maybe the French Team wasn't infected, but Rousseau was?

What?  I assume you don't mean that literally.  And I don't understand your infected comment.

Not literaly, but she is a now a mother without a child who runs around the jungle with a rifle and makes booby traps to kill the others, just like Rousseau did.

Rousseau told Sayid in season one that she killed the other members of the French exploration team when they became infected and started acting crazy.
Then in season 5 we see during time travel that all the French team except Rousseau got pulled into the hole beneath the temple during the incident where Montand lost his arm. Jin later sees Rousseau shoot her fiance  on the beach during a standoff. This seemed to backup Rousseau's story about her team being infected. HOWEVER, we don't know for sure if her team was infected or maybe it was Danielle Rousseau who got infected and went crazy, killing her innocent team members.
Dogen said that Jack's sister (Claire) had been infected and they were unable to save her.
A couple of things to point though: Rousseau seemed crazy, but I wouldn't call her evil. Also, When would either Claire or Rousseau been infected?

Talking about Lost makes me sound like a crazy person.

[that Baby guy]

Psh, virtually everyone that "represents" Jacob has been a liar, who's wanted to hurt or cause trouble for the "Losties."  Saying Claire, a woman who's lost her baby, been abandoned alone, seeing a dead person, and is surrounded by people that kidnapped and even tried to brainwash her, is "claimed" by an infection is a ridiculous idea, in a sense.

She might be crazy, but if they mean "claimed" by someone their against, they probably mean Christian Sheppard or the MiB.  And by claimed, they probably mean "not traumatized to insanity."  Seriously, though.  Jacob's people are all liars, so I'm sure what they're saying is some annoying half-truth.  They just want to use the "Losties" for whatever secret thing, anyways, and that's the only reason they're alive.

[ShyGuy]

I think I could agree with you thatguy, what good have the Others ever done for anyone?

[that Baby guy]

I think I could agree with you thatguy, what good have the Others ever done for anyone?

Which is why I still think Jacob isn't such a good fellow.

[ThePerm]

this might be true


perhaps there are different smoke monsters? It seems that while mortal both Jacob and the MiB are supernatural, perhaps they both have the smoke monstering ability

[Plugabugz]

It was a good episode but knowing that they have only 17 episode (15 left as this episode counts as the third), they really need to pick up the pace.

[ShyGuy]

Are they pretty current with airing the Lost episodes in the UK?

[Plugabugz]

We are three days behind here. Not too bad!

[that Baby guy]

It was a good episode but knowing that they have only 17 episode (15 left as this episode counts as the third), they really need to pick up the pace.

I actually thought this wasn't a "bad" Kate episode, really.  The general internet seems to be raged about it being filler, but I think it was meant to show a bit more of how desperate Clair was at the beginning, needing someone to show real sympathy enough that she would trust a criminal who robbed her at gunpoint...

And, I think it was also meant to show that even the Temple Others are basic scumbags.  The leader, Dogen was just fine speaking in English to Jack, in order to try to fool him into killing his friend and make him more susceptible to manipulation.

And, then, there's the whole "claimed/infected" thing, where they're being intentionally vague.  I don't know if it'll be a plot point, or if it was just a continuity error, but from what we actually understand, the Rousseau wasn't "claimed/infected."  They showed us Jin's time traveling experience, they separated him from the rest, just so they could show us that, I believe.  I'd imagine it's just a way to show how again, the Others are no good, filthy liars, overall.

I'd suppose this is to set them, and potentially someone "bigger" as potential antagonists, in entirety, so the show has a bit more closure.  People do like black and white enemies, and if anyone could become that, it would be the Others.

[Plugabugz]

It was a good episode but knowing that they have only 17 episode (15 left as this episode counts as the third), they really need to pick up the pace.

I actually thought this wasn't a "bad" Kate episode, really.  The general internet seems to be raged about it being filler, but I think it was meant to show a bit more of how desperate Clair was at the beginning, needing someone to show real sympathy enough that she would trust a criminal who robbed her at gunpoint...

And, I think it was also meant to show that even the Temple Others are basic scumbags.  The leader, Dogen was just fine speaking in English to Jack, in order to try to fool him into killing his friend and make him more susceptible to manipulation.

And, then, there's the whole "claimed/infected" thing, where they're being intentionally vague.  I don't know if it'll be a plot point, or if it was just a continuity error, but from what we actually understand, the Rousseau wasn't "claimed/infected."  They showed us Jin's time traveling experience, they separated him from the rest, just so they could show us that, I believe.  I'd imagine it's just a way to show how again, the Others are no good, filthy liars, overall.

I'd suppose this is to set them, and potentially someone "bigger" as potential antagonists, in entirety, so the show has a bit more closure.  People do like black and white enemies, and if anyone could become that, it would be the Others.

I agree with you for thr most part. It wasn't a bad episode in that sense but my point generally was that in Season 6 there's 18 (not 17, as i thought) episodes and we are already 3 in. This season, every single second that runs up to the finale is important.

[Halbred]

I'm finding myself not giving two sh*ts about the alternate timeline.

[ShyGuy]

You didn't like Jack and Locke's conversation?

[Halbred]

No. I don't like any of it. Look, if the two timelines co-existed, that'd be one thing, but they don't. The island timeline is 3 or 4 years ahead of the alternate timeline. They can't overlap. I doubt that actions in one timeline will affect the other one. It's not like Metroid Prime 2.

[gbuell]

Just because they are offset by a few years doesn't mean that they can't ultimately affect each other somehow. In fact I think it's incredibly obvious that they will somehow. And I think some of the plot developments in the new timeline, like Christian's corpse being missing, are rife with potential - in fact, that plot point is the most mysterious thing on the show right now.

[vudu]

Good call on the missing body.  I hadn't stopped to think about that!

[ShyGuy]

Like a Boss!

Lot of answers this week. Smoke Monster was once a man, Jacob was the Island Guardian and was looking for replacement. He certainly screwed up peoples lives during the interview process! I guess Jacob made up the numbers too. Sawyer saw through the smoke monster in an instant cause he's awesome.

[that Baby guy]

That didn't make perfect sense to me, unless there's two things happening at once:

They said in season 5's finale that Frank Lapidus was a candidate, didn't they?  There's no longer a "4," but I believe we saw who "8, 15, 16, 23, and 42" were, and he wasn't there, right?  Didn't they also suggest Kate as a candidate, as well?  Wouldn't this mean we're missing some numbers from our list here, or are the Others just kind of stupid and out of the loop?

[ShyGuy]

I think the Others are stupid and screw things up constantly.

[ThePerm]

how old would Aaron be in the current time period? Who was that boy running around?

[ShyGuy]

Is this a spoiler? Aaron would be about three. He was born Oct 2004 and It's currently about Jan 2008.

[vudu]

In the alternate time line how does Hugo have all that money?  He never would have won the lottery because the numbers he played wouldn't have been stamped on the hatch and never would have been broadcasted by Rousseau, been picked up by a radioman in the War and then given to Hugo in a mental institute.  Plus in the season premier Hugo said that he was the luckiest man on earth, indicating that he probably never even went to the mental institute.

EDIT:  Now that I'm thinking about it, in the season premier wasn't Hugo talking to some guy who knew he was the owner of the chicken joint and Hugo mentioned that he bought it after he won the lottery because he likes chicken?  How the heck did he win the lotto?!

[gbuell]

I'm just going to put this whole post in spoiler tags because it's hard to tell what is and what isn't a spoiler. (If you haven't seen the whole series by now, though, should you really be reading this thread?)

They never say that Frank Lapidus is a candidate - they simply say at one point, "Do you think he's a candidate?"

Vudu, I agree that there's no real reason for Hurley to have won the lottery, other than the universe "self-correcting" and making him win the lottery with different numbers. There are some other similar "plot holes" that I don't think will really get filled. For example, neither Hurley, Claire, nor Locke really have any reason to be on Oceanic 815. Hurley was originally there to find out information about the cursed numbers, but if he doesn't have the cursed numbers, he doesn't have that reason to fly to Australia. Claire was flying to LA on the suggestion of that psychic guy, and they later figured out that the psychic guy put Claire on that flight because he knew it would crash on the island. So if Claire wasn't going to crash on the island, he really had no reason to put her on that flight. And finally, Locke was in Australia on a walkabout, and he originally got the walkabout idea from that black guy who was Whidmore's assistant. I think the assumption is that the guy told Locke about the walkabout because he knew that would eventually get him to land on the island, so if that wasn't going to happen, he wouldn't have told him about the walkabout. I highly doubt any of these things will be addressed, and they're ultimately not that important, but it's interesting to think about.

[Sundoulos]

That didn't make perfect sense to me, unless there's two things happening at once:

They said in season 5's finale that Frank Lapidus was a candidate, didn't they?  There's no longer a "4," but I believe we saw who "8, 15, 16, 23, and 42" were, and he wasn't there, right?  Didn't they also suggest Kate as a candidate, as well?  Wouldn't this mean we're missing some numbers from our list here, or are the Others just kind of stupid and out of the loop?

4: (John) Locke
8: (Hugo) Reyes
15: (James) Ford
16: (Sayid) Jarrah
23: (Jack) Shephard
42: (Sun or Jin?...or maybe the baby?) Kwon

I found it surprising that Kate and Desmond were not mentioned.  My money would have been on Desmond as an unwilling successor to Jacob, if anyone were to be one.  Then again, I don't think Jacob was ever shown visiting Desmond in the season finale.  Yet, Kate was visited, and she's not on the list, which I find strange.

I still want to know what those stupid numbers actually represent.  Seat numbers on the plane?  Nah.