Author Topic: The Official IWATAON Speech Thread (Read 187764 times)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #675 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:04:19 AM »

Seriously, I've shown ten people the remote concept. About four or five were nongamers. All but one (who's a nongamer anyway) were extremely excited about the idea, and even the nongamers expressed interest in trying it out, perhaps even purchasing it.

Edited for retarded grammar.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #676 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:12:43 AM »

^ yeah i've been getting positive reviews across teh board from everyone I show it to, though I will say that most just want to play a mario party/wario ware and the others want FPS.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #677 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:33:56 AM »

Hostile everyone I've shown the remote to hates it. I'll admit it's not ten people (more like 4) but it's just as valid of "evidence" to support my opinion as yours.

I'm not going to use that as definitive proof but it's the same thing.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #678 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:49:45 AM »

How did you tell them about it? Aside from two who I told immediately after learning about it, I tried to make the rest of the explanations as objective as possible. Heck, my sister liked the controller before she even knew what it did. Afterward she was psyched. My mother thought it was worse but showed tons of interest after learning what it did.
I think if most people are told, especially given some encouragement to accept it and a description of some possibilities, they'll be at least willing to give it an optimistic try. Which is enough, if Nintendo makes it properly.

mantidor · « **Reply #679 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:03:53 AM »

I can already imagine how was it.

Hostile: Hey look at this new neat idea Nintendo had for a controller.
person1: a TV remote?
Hostile: yeah but it works like a 3D mouse in space, it offers so many different gameplay posiblities
*further explanation*
person1: sounds intersting

Ian: wtf? have you seen the retarded idea Nintendo had for a controller?
person2: what is it?
Ian: its a damn remote!!, it will alienate third party devs!, it looks like just a gimmick! it... *continues rants*
person2: sounds awful

Seriously, I dont believe Ian one word, I cant even comprehend people being scared by a remote, you know, its a damn remote! I cant think of anyone who wont pick this up and try it at least once.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #680 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:07:45 AM »

"How did you tell them about it?"

I went to them and said "hey what do you think of this? It's the new controller Nintendo is planning on using for their next system." And then showed them a picture of it. I showed the trailer to a few people too. I tried to approach it neutrally because I wanted to see what others thought.

My Mom is not a gamer at all and thus a perfect example of non-gamer. So I asked her which controller she would rather use: the remote or the Cube controller. She picked the Cube controller. She felt it would be more comfortable to hold. She also felt that the Cube controller better distributes the weight because it require both hands.

My brother is the other group Nintendo is targetting. He used to play games but lost interest as things got more complicated. He didn't like it at all. I showed him the trailer to try to give him some ideas on how it can be used and he still hated it. I showed him IGN's mockup of the shell and he said "THAT should be the controller, the remote should be an extra thing for only a few games."

Everyone else I talked to are existing gamers and opinion ranged from concern over how the public will accept it to "that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen."

Artimus · « **Reply #681 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:26:30 AM »

Ian, two questions:

1. Does your mom want to play games with the Gamecube?
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #682 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:31:40 AM »

They say "seeing is believing," but feeling is everything...

(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess

)

On my side, I've asked a half-dozen people their thoughts on it...My sister (basically a non-gamer), a friend (Nintendo gamer non-fanboy), two roomies (one a PC gamer, the other an XBoxer), cousin (basically a non-gamer), and dad (epitome of a non-gamer)...Every single one was skeptical at first when watching the teaser until I explained to them just what was going on...Each one of them was interested/excited in what Ninty would do with it...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #683 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:51:51 AM »

CANADIAN INNOVATION GET!

Players will not be able to appreciate the Revolution until they can actually play it. Some will "get it" before then, especially if some really good demo movies come out, but the proof will be in actually playing with it. Ian, your examples are perfect. Your mom held a Gamecube controller and compared it to a picture. She needs to hold a Revolution controller to appreciate it. Your brother thinks it looks silly, but he also thinks current games are too complicated, so the controller he describes (Wavebird + pointer) wouldn't sell him on a Rev anyway.

First impressions, you say? They need to want to play it, you say? This may be true, but the only people that have heard about the system so far are gaming nerds and their close friends and family. By the time everyone else hears about it and forms a lasting impression, Nintendo will have shown games and will be marketing the system, and those will make it look much more attractive than a plain picture of a controller.

pudu · « **Reply #684 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:15:00 AM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
They say "seeing is believing," but feeling is everything...

(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess )

On my side, I've asked a half-dozen people their thoughts on it...My sister (basically a non-gamer), a friend (Nintendo gamer non-fanboy), two roomies (one a PC gamer, the other an XBoxer), cousin (basically a non-gamer), and dad (epitome of a non-gamer)...Every single one was skeptical at first when watching the teaser until I explained to them just what was going on...Each one of them was interested/excited in what Ninty would do with it...

The problem is the second you start to explain it your enthusiasm for it is going to be apparent to the people you are showing it to (regardless of whether or not you mean to). lol this may be why Ian's had different reactions.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #685 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:48:19 AM »

"1. Does your mom want to play games with the Gamecube?
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?"

No and no. But wasn't this Nintendo's plan? To get these types of people playing games? It's just circumstantial evidence but these two examples are EXACTLY who Nintendo wants to buy the Rev.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #686 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:30:53 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"1. Does your mom want to play games with the Gamecube?
2. Does your brother want to play games with the shell?"

No and no. But wasn't this Nintendo's plan? To get these types of people playing games? It's just circumstantial evidence but these two examples are EXACTLY who Nintendo wants to buy the Rev.

Sounds to me that they are afraid of change, c'mon and step into the light...
Its warm and inviting... Everything is good in the light, change will not hurt, change is good...
Join us, and we will show the benifits of change... [/brainwash]

stevey · « **Reply #687 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:41:11 AM »

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IAN

THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!

IT A REMOTE!

GET USED TO IT!

we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!. you stunk in #3

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #688 on:** September 21, 2005, 11:50:57 AM »

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Originally posted by: stevey
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IAN

THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!

IT A REMOTE!

GET USED TO IT!

we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o(BRAINWASH) 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!

welcome to the light stevey, change is right this way...

Caliban · « **Reply #689 on:** September 21, 2005, 01:37:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess )

Hey hey, don't make me start a "Buster Call" on you! (only One Piece fans will know what this is)

Now on topic, I've received different reactions about the new controller however they were not very informed about how it works. One person, which works with me, said "it looks yag(read this word bacwards please)" but he still looked somewhat undecided so I just told him to go to ign and watch the trailer and read what they got there. Others I work with had similar reactions.

This confusion and "wtf?" reactions is pretty normal. It happens every time a new product, from any industry, is introduced to the masses.

Renny · « **Reply #690 on:** September 21, 2005, 02:34:13 PM »

Hope this wasn't mentioned before, but... The fact that they're following the legacy of thousands of poorly designed remotes is a significant barrier as far as consumer acceptance goes. People will naturally associate it with their 20-button TV remote. I don't know if they modeled the controller after remotes to make it more physically or mentally comfortable for people.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #691 on:** September 21, 2005, 07:04:10 PM »

Well, just to add my experience to the anecdotal evidence pile. I have shown the remote to five people.
First one was a girl age 21, Nintendo fan. her reaction was: "woah, woah, woah, woah"
Second was a girl age 22, casual gamer. she liked it, but hasn't been playing much games lately, thinks her boyfriend will get PS3 cause he bought the first two sony consoles.
Third one was a 40 something male, not much of a gamer, but likes technology, he was impressed and thought how with a camera you could have a shootout between 2 people in their living rooms through the televesion.
Fourth was my sister age 22, she likes animal crossing and monkey ball, she liked it, asked if I was going to give her my gamecube when I get the Revolution.
Fifth was a 23 year old male, plays a lot of videogames but not really hardcore. You know the type. What do we call these guys? softcore? He once said, and I quote: "And it's from EA so you know it's good." He didn't like it, thought it looked too much like work.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #692 on:** September 21, 2005, 07:22:18 PM »

So basically you got a four out of four response

mantidor · « **Reply #693 on:** September 21, 2005, 08:09:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote
Originally posted by: stevey
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IAN

THE REVOLUTION CONTROLLER IS HERE!

IT A REMOTE!

GET USED TO IT!

we all have why not you? I went into 5 stage when I frist saw it. 1 WTF 2 nintendo lost it's mind 3 **** I not buying a revolution 4 O_o(BRAINWASH) 5 ohhh! it teh rock!!! yeah long live IWATA!!!

welcome to the light stevey, change is right this way...

LOL

I still think shaping it as a remote is the most brilliant idea ever, is basically the only electronic device that absolutely everyone uses, I cannot imagine for the life of me how Ian's mom is scared by a remote, specially one that looks so simple. People will pick it up in a demo store or by watching us the Nintendo freaks palying with it, and if the software delivers (which I really doubt it wont), there would be a Rev sold, I cannot se that not happening.

IceCold · « **Reply #694 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:21:54 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion(Canadians just fail at understanding innovation I guess )

Is that so? I was under the impression that the invention of the telephone was an innovation, but I must be horribly wrong

I haven't asked my Mum or Dad about the controller yet, but I do know that my dad never played video games after the NES era, but when he played my DS he loved it. But I expect that they too will be confused with it, and I'll have to explain how it works and show them the demo. That's how it is with this controller; you can't understand it by just looking at it, or for that matter, even knowing that it uses motion sensing.

As for gamers, well, I've asked 3 of them - my brother, and two friends. My brother and one friend really liked the idea, but wondered how it could be used for some genres that would be difficult to implement it. The other friend wanted one or two more face buttons near the big A button, and he thought it might be quite uncomfortable to hold the analogue stick in one hand while the remote was in the other, because it wouldn't feel fixed or solid. Also, he felt it was too angular and needed to be more curved so it would fit better. BUt he also felt that it could be great for many genres if implemented well.

I think the recurring theme is that you need to experience and feel it before you can pass judgement on how it plays. There really needs to be a big promotion with demo kiosks all around so that people can try it out, and even in-store somehow. Could be done by attaching the controller to a string (it won't need to be that long) but they really need to let people try it out.

Rancid Planet · « **Reply #695 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:39:55 PM »

Since the flames have died down a bit and people are getting more used to the idea of the Rev's controller new questions are being asked about it. And you know what one of the most questioned aspects of the controller seems to have been for the last day or so? The batteries.

And I can't say that I blame them. This thing needs a rechargable battery just like the DS and the SP in the wost way. Complete with the battery cover that is screwed down into the unit.

I mean have you ever dropped your remote control? You know what happens sometimes. The battery lid pops off and then you have to get on your hands and knees searching for AA batteries on the carpet in a dark room and then bump my head really hard on the bedside table...ahem.

Anyway, yeah. Standard batteries are TEH BLOWZ!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #696 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:48:37 PM »

The industry for RevRemote lanyards will surely boom. Rubber bands and shoelaces will suffice for now =D

IceCold · « **Reply #697 on:** September 21, 2005, 09:49:04 PM »

Oh don't worry; it most probably will have one of those batteries with a cradle - they just hadn't included it yet.

vudu · « **Reply #698 on:** September 22, 2005, 09:00:18 AM »

So ... how bad do you think the Mad Catz version will be?

Rancid Planet · « **Reply #699 on:** September 22, 2005, 11:17:45 AM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
So ... how bad do you think the Mad Catz version will be?

Well I took a second to think about your question and my nose started to bleed...Good enough answer for you?

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