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« Reply #950 on: August 19, 2007, 06:10:39 PM »
4/5 was the worst score ED got? What did it get perfect scores across the board from other reviewers?

(Don't get me wrong I love ED but it wasn't perfect game material).

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« Reply #951 on: August 19, 2007, 06:58:38 PM »
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And for every Eternal Darkness there is myriad of other games they gave higher scores to than any other publication. Personally I think you have to be bit naive to think that a Nintendo funded magazine would not be biased, because even when people try to be objective bias always slips in someplace.
So we've gone from all games getting at least a 7/10 to only a select cut of Nintendo titles getting a .5 - 1 point bias. I know you're not going to concede, but you make it such a nice neat conspiracy. Yet this can be said of any review from any magazine for really any reason. You could even say some interests are paying to depress scores.

Regardless, we know that NP reviews are not wildly radical as in Pokemon Battle Revolution getting a 10 or 9.5 when the bulk of reviews say 5 or 6. So even with said bias, for Metroid Prime 3, a 10.0 - 1 is still a 9 or a 9.5 so you know the game is gonna be pretty bad ass. If it helps you, just call me a fanboy, but I just don't have a problem with Nintendo Power's reviews, even in light of the "obvious" conflict of interest.  
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« Reply #952 on: August 19, 2007, 07:28:24 PM »
It's Metroid. Of course it's a 10.  

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« Reply #953 on: August 19, 2007, 09:06:09 PM »
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And for every Eternal Darkness there is myriad of other games they gave higher scores to than any other publication. Personally I think you have to be bit naive to think that a Nintendo funded magazine would not be biased, because even when people try to be objective bias always slips in someplace.
So we've gone from all games getting at least a 7/10 to only a select cut of Nintendo titles getting a .5 - 1 point bias. I know you're not going to concede, but you make it such a nice neat conspiracy. Yet this can be said of any review from any magazine for really any reason. You could even say some interests are paying to depress scores.

Regardless, we know that NP reviews are not wildly radical as in Pokémon Battle Revolution getting a 10 or 9.5 when the bulk of reviews say 5 or 6. So even with said bias, for Metroid Prime 3, a 10.0 - 1 is still a 9 or a 9.5 so you know the game is going to be pretty bad ass. If it helps you, just call me a fanboy, but I just don't have a problem with Nintendo Power's reviews, even in light of the "obvious" conflict of interest.


Not sure what your problem is, you appear to be quite hostile about defending Nintendo Power. I fail to see why anyone would deny there is a potential conflict of interest, it would seem like you were sticking your head in the sand to state otherwise. Any time a company owns a publication there is ALWAYS a conflict of interest which can show threw from time to time. This can potentially be the case for a big game that is going to be put into some heavy competition. So forgive me for being a pessimist until I see other reviews. There is a lot at stake with Metroid Prime 3, not just sales but potentially giving a boost to other games that utilize aiming.

In case you didn't realize it, that 7/10 was not to be taken as overall but used more to illustrate my point that their scores can be inflated because it is what I’ve seen in the magazine from time to time. So I guess you can call it an exaggeration, but if it will make you happy I'll look through my latest issue of NP and find examples of what I felt were too inflated. Please use my examples of NPs scores being inflated for Nintendo titles compared to other reviews, and apply that to other magazines, since it appears it occurs with any other magazine. You must hold that answer right? You appear to be cocky enough, yet you haven't really showed me much beside insulting me and talking with severe condescension.  

It is odd though, personally out of magazine publications I enjoy EGM the most, and while I feel they have a slight anti-Nintendo bias it usually isn't played out that way. Then again if someone were to question them, I doubt I'd get so up in arms over it. My main dig with all the official magazines is that chances are the people that are hired are in fact, fanbois of the console or company, and I think that leaves open a chance for manipulation or if not that, at least a bias, whether they intend to portray it or not. Any journalist, no matter how hard they may try, it is not humanly possible to remain 100% objective all the time.

Oh yeah for the heck of it another game they inflated was Sonic and the Secret rings which got the 2nd highest review score from, guess who, Nintendo Power. Not to mention the fact I don't believe I've ever read a news story that wasn't in Nintendo's favor, so that shows a form of bias, which could also seep into reviews, especially of important BIG games, especially games where they are the first to throw a review score out for to get hype. With that said I would trust NP over play magazine any day!  
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« Reply #954 on: August 19, 2007, 09:45:14 PM »
Anytime to get back on topic, I think it is so cool that it appears NIntendo is adding something like achievements. I hope this is a trend for future Wii games. Could be a neat answer to MS's system.
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« Reply #955 on: August 19, 2007, 11:12:26 PM »
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Not to mention the fact I don't believe I've ever read a news story that wasn't in Nintendo's favor, so that shows a form of bias
You're right, you're never going to see Nintendo pimp Sony or Microsoft games in Nintendo Power. But chances are that someone who is subscribing to Nintendo Power really only wants to read about what is being released for Nintendo hardware. So you're going to have to pardon that choice by the editor. That comes with the territory, wouldn't you agree? You can't be serious in this accusation...
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which could also seep into reviews, especially of important BIG games, especially games where they are the first to throw a review score out for to get hype. With that said I would trust NP over play magazine any day!
I honestly feel I will be vindicated on Metroid Prime 3. If not, and the game turns out mediocre, I'll eat my posts in this thread.
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Oh yeah for the heck of it another game they inflated was Sonic and the Secret rings which got the 2nd highest review score from, guess who, Nintendo Power.
I don't know about you, but I own it and play it. I definitely agree with the score. That said though, there are at least 14 other reviews listed on Game rankings that though it was at least 8.0 material.

Edit: Removed sega from the list of games Nintendo Power won't pimp. Since actually they did put Shadow the Hedgehog on a cover before and if the 8.5 given to Secret Rings was bogus ...  
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« Reply #956 on: August 20, 2007, 12:26:44 AM »
Well the only part I'm going to reply to (well maybe two parts). I don't expect them to pimp MS or Sony, though that does not mean it couldn't have been honest during the GC era about GC struggling. They pretty much looked over the fact that GC was getting its butt kicked and excluded stories that stated otherwise. I'm not asking that they print Sony or MS news, just news that may show Nintendo's state in a more journalistic light. Then again with the runaway success of the Wii that may be hard to come by. I would also like to see them include editorials on how Nintendo can improve, even if they are blunt, I think that would really be neat as well and could show even more of a push to differentiate itself from other Official Magazines.

In regards to Metroid Prime 3, don't get me wrong I hope they are right and I really wouldn't be surprised if they are right about the game from what I've heard. With that said I still want to see sources other than the official Nintendo magazine before I give one way or another. All I can say is that I am happy to see it receive a rare 10 out of them, I just hope it is a REAL 10 and not a bias 10. Though I do admit that since 10s are so rare for them it gives me some hope that it could turn out true, especially since I am SOOO excited for MP3, and I couldn't really say that about MP2. So here is hoping the review score is justified and MP3 is an instant classic. I think we can all agree on that. My only real worry is that graphic bias could bring some scores down, even if the gameplay is great. Should be interesting to see how the final rankings turn out compared to a game like Bioshock.
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« Reply #957 on: August 20, 2007, 01:58:07 AM »
New movies today people!  If you want to continue to bitch about NP, I'd say make it scientific.... (I'd like to know the lowest score given to any Nintendo created and published title was for example.)

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« Reply #958 on: August 20, 2007, 02:01:04 AM »
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What did they give ED? If it's low enough, they may be my heroes. If it's too low though, I will send them some lovely hate-fan-art.


You can't give ED a score that is too low...that game is WAY over hyped.  It is pretty average game with a great story, and a wonderfully cool game mechanic, that is all.


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« Reply #959 on: August 20, 2007, 02:32:36 AM »
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New movies today people!  If you want to continue to bitch about NP, I'd say make it scientific.... (I'd like to know the lowest score given to any Nintendo created and published title was for example.)


I remember that Geist got a 5.0. I wouldn't say the bias comes anywhere close to being a rule or something to be automatically deducted from the score, for the most part I agree with their scores. Sometimes the score is higher than I'd give, sometimes it's lower. That is also the case with any other reviewer.
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« Reply #960 on: August 20, 2007, 02:59:00 AM »
I really like Secret Ring and I'm hoping for a sequel.
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« Reply #961 on: August 20, 2007, 06:02:49 AM »
I figured I'd chime in on the pre-NP review thread-rape discussion on Metroid Prime's origin since I just played Metroid Prime yesterday and read through all the lore entries again.  The story contradicts itself quite a bit, and I haven't played Echoes at all, so I can't address anything brought up in it.

Twenty years before the start of the game, the meteorite struck Tallon IV, bringing Phazon with it.  The impact, perhaps because of the Phazon, forcefully drew the moved-on-to-a-higher-plane Chozo back to the planet, where they tried to deal with it, failed, and sealed it away.  The writings they left say that the Worm was in the meteorite.  It seems to suggest the Worm is Metroid Prime, but it might just be the Phazon itself, which even the Pirates say has some lifelike qualities.  The impact crater was sealed by almost magical Chozo technology.

The Pirates arrived sometime later.  In fact, they are in the process of establishing the base on Tallon IV during the game.  The vessel Samus raids at the beginning of the game is one of three that escaped Zebes after her rampage.  It brought the Metroids to Tallon IV.  The Pirates experimented on Metroids with Phazon, along with every other living thing they came across.  They claim to have created Metroid Prime this way.  It became hyper-aggressive, even for a Metroid, and they subdued it with cold.  It kept mutating, eventually became strong enough to break free, assimilated their experimental weapons, and started killing everything until they ended up sealing it in a part of their Phazon mines, which somehow led to it being in the impact crater that the Chozo had sealed off to keep the Worm trapped.

I don't know if they chose one of those possibilities to be the canonical one for later games, or if they just left it unresolved.  I kind of like the idea of the Phazon having an intelligence of its own, personally.

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RE: Metroid Prime 3 Revolutionized
« Reply #962 on: August 20, 2007, 06:06:18 AM »
BTW, I'll get to play MP3 at PAX a few days before you guys get to. :-P

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« Reply #963 on: August 20, 2007, 06:24:07 AM »
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Well the only part I'm going to reply to (well maybe two parts). I don't expect them to pimp MS or Sony, though that does not mean it couldn't have been honest during the GC era about GC struggling. They pretty much looked over the fact that GC was getting its butt kicked and excluded stories that stated otherwise.
So conversely both OXM and PSM should run articles stating how they are getting their butt kicked and that maybe "hi-def" wasn't the best bet to run with this generation?

Come on, you think that Sony or Microsoft fans want to read about that? Yea, I don't think Nintendo fans want to read about Nintendo's woes anymore then 360 or PS3 fans. It shouldn't be a shock or startling revelation that negative news about Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo isn't going to show up in their respective official magazines.
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In regards to Metroid Prime 3, don't get me wrong I hope they are right and I really wouldn't be surprised if they are right about the game from what I've heard. With that said I still want to see sources other than the official Nintendo magazine before I give one way or another.
I'm not going to begrudge you this. But I just believe it is short sited for you to immeaditly accuse Nintendo Power's 10/10 as fudging the numbers. Yes, i'm fully aware of all the reasons why .5 or 1 point could have been added to the score. Just do the accusations after other reviews come out.
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My only real worry is that graphic bias could bring some scores down, even if the gameplay is great.
Which, of course, isn't this why we have fan mags? Others will be quick and keen to automatically dock Nintendo for its lack of hi-def and 5.1 audio. Now I feel that is not necessarily uncalled for.  I'd like to see Nintendo games in HD just as much as you. But if that is the case, shouldn't the PSP and DS have these same base deduction charges against their games? Or should we grade the graphics and audio of their games based on the capabilities of their hardware?

So I don't feel a fan mag should be given heck disregarding those reasons. Or that because of such reasons, be given heck if it's grade for games is generally above what others give. It is a fan mag after all. Are you really going to begrudge OXM for giving BioShock a 100/100? Even if the majority of other reviews say 99 or 98?

Now it's a totally different thing if perfect 10's or 100's are common place in any fan mag. But I think that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are capable of keeping their hands off the review scores that their respective magazine reviewers give.  
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« Reply #964 on: August 20, 2007, 07:31:58 AM »
Wait a second when did I complain about Wii not having HD? Have you read nothing I"ve stated in the past, in fact I've defended Wii over and over again here and I think their choice to go non-HD. For some reason you are attempting to paint me as a Wii hater, because I don't trust NP's reviews. So I take it, according to you, that if you don't like NP or its reviews you automatically hate Wii? At least that is what I'm getting from you, heck you even suggested I didn't like Wii Sports when I have been one of its biggest supporters. In regards to visuals I think each system should be rated on what it is capable of, it is unfair and frankly stupid to do otherwise. I am interested in what others have to say about MP3's visuals because I've been blown away by some of the artistic details of it, the game looks great, but I'm not going to get even more hyped until I see more reviews.
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« Reply #965 on: August 20, 2007, 08:01:45 AM »
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Wait a second when did I complain about Wii not having HD? Have you read nothing I"ve stated in the past, in fact I've defended Wii over and over again here and I think their choice to go non-HD.
No, you're just jumping to conclusion. I was rather agreeing with you. That graphic bias in the media will probably bring down the average score of MP3.

I am not painting you as a Wii hater. I was merely stating, I'd like "industry" reviews to grade the game's graphics based on the system and the art of the game. Vs comparing Metroid Prime 3's graphics to what ever HD mastery is available on 360 or PS3. That said though, if MP3 only has Gamecube level graphics I won't hold it against them for dropping the graphics grade.
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I am interested in what others have to say about MP3's visuals because I've been blown away by some of the artistic details of it, the game looks great, but I'm not going to get even more hyped until I see more reviews.
Right, I would hope the "industry" reviews won't just say, "It's not HD. You lose 4.0 points automatically". But I have little faith.
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At least that is what I'm getting from you, heck you even suggested I didn't like Wii Sports when I have been one of its biggest supporters.
As far as Wii Sports go. I'm glad you saw it as hyperbole and didn't take it seriously.

 
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« Reply #966 on: August 20, 2007, 08:14:44 AM »
Well glad we got that cleared up. So ANYWAY, lets get back on track (BTW I do hate Wii graphic complaints, unless of course the game is noticeably lazy in that department.
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« Reply #967 on: August 20, 2007, 09:26:22 AM »
I wish the game wasn't delayed a week a month back...We'd be playing the game THIS WEEK... ;_;
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« Reply #968 on: August 20, 2007, 09:33:10 AM »
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I wish the game wasn't delayed a week a month back...We'd be playing the game THIS WEEK... ;_;


Well I am glad in a way because I can play Bioshock and MAYBE Two Worlds.
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« Reply #969 on: August 20, 2007, 11:56:22 AM »
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I wish the game wasn't delayed a week a month back...We'd be playing the game THIS WEEK... ;_;


Well I agree 100% Bill. Bioshock means nothing to me!


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« Reply #970 on: August 20, 2007, 01:51:04 PM »
New video details!

~ Space pirates jacked an Aurora unit from the Valhalla (Federation cruiser)...
~ METROIDS!
~ You can bowl over enemies by boosting into them in Morph Ball mode!


Fun little extra: Dead Federation troops in the video are all named after members of Retro Studios...The one that caught my attention to this was none other than Retro Studios president, Michael Kelbaugh...
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« Reply #971 on: August 20, 2007, 03:31:35 PM »
I have a insane, crazy theory now

Dark Samus is Mother Brain

Yeah I know, but they are at least more related than what I initially thought. Space pirates weren't known for this kind of organized attack according to the video, so my guess is she's looking for a body! her "mind" is floating out there somewhere...

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« Reply #972 on: August 20, 2007, 03:34:38 PM »
If by that you mean Dark Samus will become one with the stolen Aurora unit and will be the final boss, I agree... =3
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« Reply #973 on: August 21, 2007, 01:02:39 AM »
I'm wondering if we'll be fighting a mother brain in Corruption, or if they're just tying the Prime series into the rest of the series by using the space pirates' thievery of the auora unit as an explanation for the mother brain in Super Metroid.  The former would certainly be nostalgic, but I'd personally prefer the latter.  I doubt they'd be revealing that bit of the story so soon if that were the case, though.  
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« Reply #974 on: August 21, 2007, 07:54:29 AM »
I can see them trying to tie the Prime series to the main series using Aurora, but I think they're better left treated as separate entities, even though Prime consistently refers back to the main series. However, the reverse is not true. Well, Zero Mission kind of does, but not really.