Author Topic: Sony may delay PS3 (Read 18420 times)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2005, 11:42:35 AM »

Okay, I can't read the article, but someone mentioned that its analysts. I don't trust them any more than Sony so I'll continue to guess that a late 2006 release is the truth.

I think it's in Nintendo's interest to launch as early in 2006 as possible. Aside from taking more time to develop games, I see no advantage to letting Microsoft continue to build its lead.

I agree with Ian when he says that Sony can afford to delay more than the other two, but I think Xbox 360 could really take off on Sony if they wait too long to launch the PS3. People who only buy one console per generation aren't going to start buying one every two years, in my opinion. If Sony really did delay well into 2007, I think it would spend at least two years playing catch-up with Xbox 360.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2005, 08:27:55 AM »

I would LOVE to see this occur. Mainly due to the fact that third parties would likely still develop for the PS2, and then port over their games to the other systems.

Even EA is already introducing a second dev path for next gen, don't expect many PS2->X360 ports, many will develop for either one or the other and now there will be a compelling reason to develop for Microsoft's machine.

Spak-Spang: An OS would require a way of accepting unsigned binaries (how else would the PS3 work as a full computer which has to support development?) so the PS3 might see a lot of unlicensed games, perhaps to the point where everyone circumvents the "official" PS3 solution and aims it at the "PS3PC". That would be a desaster for Sony since they'd get no license fees on that software and would have to make their profits on hardware alone (sold at loss or profit doesn't matter, consoles aren't sold at enough profit to keep a company afloat).

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #27 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:02:03 AM »

KDR: I see your point about the issue of an OS in the system...and you know what...for some reason I really wouldn't cry or complain if Sony made a Business blunder like that. I think it would be quite funny though. Specially if Sony advertises and pushes the fact you can have an OS with it.

jasonditz · « **Reply #28 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:17:10 PM »

Lots of processors theoretically support Tiger... that doesn't mean it'll actually run. Tiger won't run on anything without an Apple PRAM in it.

jasonditz · « **Reply #29 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:18:45 PM »

Yeah, an Xmas '06 release for the rev and a Spring '07 for the PS3 would mirror what happened with the DS/PSP...

stevey · « **Reply #30 on:** August 09, 2005, 05:29:26 AM »

"Yeah, an Xmas '06 release for the rev and a Spring '07 for the PS3 would mirror what happened with the DS/PSP... "

but than that mean nintendo will go 1st and sony can steel they controller if it turn out great.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2005, 09:09:10 AM »

Stevey: Heck we might be seeing Nintendo release in mid/late Summer of 06 and Sony Fall of 06 and that also would mirror the DS/PSP launch. Which is what I am hoping will happen. I hope next Summer will be a special summer for Nintendo fans.

vudu · « **Reply #32 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:22:52 AM »

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mirror the DS/PSP launch

You mean Nintendo rushes launch to beat out Sony and then has a draught of games for the next six months? No thanks.

I'd rather Nintendo completely forget about what Sony (and Microsoft) is doing and launch when they're ready. A strong launch is much better than an early one.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #33 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:28:09 AM »

And then Sony comes after Nintendo with a great launch and an even longer draught?

stevey · « **Reply #34 on:** August 09, 2005, 02:00:08 PM »

"And then Sony comes after Nintendo with a great launch and an even longer draught?"

draught, no sony not even making new game for the psp there been only 3 game after the release and only 3 game coming out, nintendo alway had 120+ coming, what sony has is more like...what the word?...what the ngage has.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 09, 2005, 03:06:56 PM »

Actually there are just a few less as many games "planned" for the PSP than there is for the DS.

I don't have a list handy right now, bu tI'll look for it later.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #36 on:** August 09, 2005, 04:28:05 PM »

You don't have to have a huge list of launch games to have a successful launch. You really only need 1 killer App and the promise that games will come out consistantly after release.

At this point in the game, IF Sony is delaying until Fall 2006 or 2007 then Nintendo's goal should be to launch before Sony.

If Nintendo is lucky they can get there system out just before the Xbox 360 starts to get a large enough library of games. Then Nintendo will look like a viable option. Cheap system with Nintendo quality games, and a new control type.

nickmitch · « **Reply #37 on:** August 09, 2005, 05:13:51 PM »

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Originally posted by: stevey
"Yeah, an Xmas '06 release for the rev and a Spring '07 for the PS3 would mirror what happened with the DS/PSP... "

but than that mean nintendo will go 1st and sony can steel they controller if it turn out great.

By then Nintendo would have blown the lid on the controller and it'd be far too late for Sony to copy.

As for MS, they have the upper hand. If they can hype up the next gen then people might turn to them.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 09, 2005, 08:55:04 PM »

Mostly for stevey:

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Actually there are just a few less as many games "planned" for the PSP than there is for the DS.

I don't have a list handy right now, but I'll look for it later.

DS vs PSP: The Release List Wars <-- I think this is as complete a list as your gonna find

p.s. thread is posted in the DS & GBA section

couchmonkey · « **Reply #39 on:** August 10, 2005, 05:45:07 AM »

Vudu: while I agree a good launch is more important than an early one, I think timing matters. I agreed with Iwata when he said that letting PS2 have a year-long head-start was a bad move for Nintendo, and I think letting Xbox 360 have a year-long head-start is almost as bad. I don't think Nintendo should launch so early that it has hardly any games to offer...but Nintendo has been talking about Revolution for a couple of years now, so it should have been ready for a launch almost any time in 2006.

Of course now we're too close to the Revolution launch to change the date very much, and Nintendo may not be ready to launch until the end of 2006. If that's so, then I guess Nintnedo should wait, but it should have been ready to launch earlier than that.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #40 on:** August 10, 2005, 08:17:49 AM »

CouchMonkey: I don't know if its fair to say Nintendo should have been ready to launch the Revolution anytime in '06. If you say that the arguement should hold even more true for Sony who has been in the market longer.

The truth is Microsoft blindsided Nintendo and Sony by releasing their next generation system in '05 and knocking a complete year off the life cycle of all the systems. Really this generation could have easily gone another 2 years without the world blinking or batting an eye, but MS really wanted to be first in the market and get a jump for marketshare.

Now Sony and Nintendo are both trying to figure out what to do. Do you push the product deadlines ahead of schedule risking rushed software and less 3rd party support, or do you hold off as planned and keep your pace and let the chips fall where they may.

I think Sony management tried to push the time table up for launch and realised that they just can't do it. Games aren't ready, production of hardware isn't ready, and in fact hardware design in and of itself isn't finalized. But worse, they were planning on the later launch to help bring the price down SOME, and now they are stuck in a rock and a hard place. I think their delay isn't a delay but a forced resignation back to their original time schedule.

Nintendo is a mystery. We know nothing about the hardware, the software, or the original time table for launch. Except that Nintendo promised it would not be late this time. (That Nintendo would launch close to or at the same time as Sony.) Is Nintendo trying to push the launch ahead of schedule so they are only behind the competition by a few months? Does that mean the competition is now Sony or Microsoft or both? Perhaps that confession means Nintendo is having to delay to get games shaped up and hardware and online infrastructures up and running? Only time will tell on that answer.

But one thing is sure both Nintendo and Sony are both caught in a situation they don't want to be in. Microsoft has brought this current generation of systems to an end.

I don't think that means Microsoft is in the best situation though, because their system doesn't look or feel at all like Next Generation hardware and their controller and everything about the system screams been there done that.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 10, 2005, 08:57:15 AM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
CouchMonkey: I think Sony management tried to push the time table up for launch and realised that they just can't do it. Games aren't ready, production of hardware isn't ready, and in fact hardware design in and of itself isn't finalized. But worse, they were planning on the later launch to help bring the price down SOME, and now they are stuck in a rock and a hard place. I think their delay isn't a delay but a forced resignation back to their original time schedule.

Haha thats what I said
I worded it to be as confusing as possible yet still make sense

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Something tells me that "Plan B" was the original "Plan A" the entire time, but the original "Plan A" then became "Plan B" after MS decided to release in 2005, a year ahead of the usual 5yr cycle, therefore causing Sony to take "Plan X" aka 'wishful thinking' and make it into the new "Plan A", but now that they realize that the new "Plan A" aka "Plan X" aka 'wishful thinking' really was not gonna work out in thier best interest it is now time to reconsider "Plan B" aka the original "Plan A" and just stick with the original plans afterall.

does that make sense?

This is bad for Nintendo but not as bad as it is for Sony. I've overheard and chimed in on some conversations about next-gen consoles. Lots of people seem to be sold on X360 while the rest seem to claim allegiance to PS3.
If people find out that its posible that PS3 could come out in 2007, I not sure how many of them would wait. Madden 2006 being the jump starter....

Most people didn't even mention the Rev mostly cause none of them even knew about it. But once I explained the little that is known, a few of them would always come back and ask "Does it play all old Nintendo games and does that mean that ther is a HDD too?"
I would explain the flash memory vs. the size of old games, and Nintendo produced titles with the possibility of 3rd parties also including Sega, and all of a sudden Rev became considered a possiblity of 2nd console for that reason alone.

So that makes me see this as 'not good' for Nintendo, but 'really bad' for Sony as most people would probably have jumped the gun by he time the PS3 comes out. Not to mention the major deterrent that is the price...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #42 on:** August 10, 2005, 09:40:57 AM »

Most next gen debates I see are "I'll get [PS3 or X360] and Revolution" or "Meh, I'll get the Revolution". So far I haven't seen a discussion where anyone slammed the Revolution. Apparently it doesn't really compete with the other ones for the gamer's mind, just his wallet. And I don't think anyone will hold off from buying a Rev just because the PS3 is around the corner, there's completely different goals to both purchases. Guess Nintendo delvered pretty much exactly what the gamer wants from next gen.

nickmitch · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2005, 10:39:31 AM »

Well I think that it's good that people are willing to buy the Rev that's a good thing. If Sony can convince people to wait for them, then that'll hurt MS. However, some people may still get a Rev to tie them over until the PS3. With the Rev being poeple's 2nd console Sony and MS will compete for top tier and if one falls, then Nintendo can pick it up.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2005, 01:56:26 PM »

I think it is interesting that in the world of Porting every game to every system, more and more people are going multi-system. This is probably because now more than ever each system has something that is exclusive and worth playing.

This really helps Nintendo because they are THE most viable choice for a second system. Cheaper Price, Plays Classic Nintendo Games, New Control System, and Nintendo has one of the largest quality number of exclusive IPs of any company.

I don't think Nintendo will be THE system to own this next generation, but I do believe it CAN achieve a sold second place with becoming the secondary system of choice, and I believe Nintendo will win several new loyal customers with that place that will buy the next system for the classic games.

I don't believe Nintendo's games have become to I LOVE HALO 2 to be popular. I believe people aren't giving them a chance, but if they did they would enjoy the games.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #45 on:** August 11, 2005, 07:18:46 PM »

"And then Sony comes after Nintendo with a great launch and an even longer draught?"

That wouldn't happen with the PS3. Or at least it wouldn't end up the same way the PSP did. Remember that with the DS vs PSP Nintendo was the market leader going in. People were more willing to cut the DS some slack because it's Nintendo and they're DA MAN with portables. If Nintendo pulled the same thing with the Rev the console would bomb even if Sony had a drought too. They just don't have that kind of pull in the market. Plus the X360 won't by having a drought at that point. That's the biggest risk for the Rev. Even if the Rev beats the PS3 to the market by several months they can't have a drought because the X360 will have tons of games in stores by then.

"Really this generation could have easily gone another 2 years without the world blinking or batting an eye"

I wouldn't say that. I'd say MS is jumping the gun and I think the Xbox and PS2 could have lasted another two years. But the Cube? No way. We've got at least a year left I imagine until the Rev launches and the Cube is a barren wasteland regarding releases. We've had at least one month this year were literally ZERO Cube games were released. I don't think anyone should be launching a year early but if anyone was Nintendo would have the most reason to. Even if the X360 wasn't being released this year I don't think the Cube would have lasted unitl 2007. Nintendo probably would be able to crank out a fair bit of games during that time but the Nintendo brand would be severely weakened by such a long period of infrequent releases that their next console would be really screwed. MS is jumping the gun but Nintendo is going to the next gen at the right time.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #46 on:** August 12, 2005, 02:10:02 AM »

The Cube would have had more releases during the next few years had Nintendo not switched into "prepare next gen launch" mode.

jasonditz · « **Reply #47 on:** August 12, 2005, 07:22:49 AM »

You can't blame Microsoft for wanting to get to the next generation ASAP... this generation has been a nightmare for them. They've gained market share only at the cost of insane amounts of money, and they're still a distant second in the US. Then there's the Japanese market... why do stores even stock Xboxes, are they all hoping to be one of the 10 that actually sells one in a given week?

They've been banking on all the dreadful losses they've taken this generation finally "paying off" next round, so you can see where they would want "next round" to start as soon as possible.

Microsoft may have a lot of money, but they're not stupid... if something is proving to be unprofitable in the long run they will pull the plug... this is probably "put up or shut up" time for their console division.

Arbok · « **Reply #48 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:14:13 AM »

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Microsoft may have a lot of money, but they're not stupid... if something is proving to be unprofitable in the long run they will pull the plug... this is probably "put up or shut up" time for their console division.

Didn't Microsoft say that they plan to make profit on the console after the Xbox 360? I seem to recall that being mentioned, seems like a incredibly long time to wait it out but that statement stuck in my head.

jasonditz · « **Reply #49 on:** August 12, 2005, 10:35:29 AM »

I think you might be right... but the higher-ups are probably going to want to see some evidence that's going to be the case before financing a third system. The brand name is already out there... I don't think there's any obvious way to expect the next system to be more profitable than the 360.

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