Author Topic: Is the RevOlution based of the Mac Mini and if so ... (Read 17333 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2005, 02:39:04 AM »

Danger Mouse was way cooler than Mighty Mouse.

stevey · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2005, 04:19:38 AM »

"For new users that's a BIG deal, the second button psyches them out and they sit there all day asking "left click or right click?""

If someone need to ask that than they need to be put down to sleep! left click eveything right click for menu, god do you mac user need to ask do I use left foot or right foot when walking or do you crawl like the baby you are!

edit: is it better?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #27 on:** August 06, 2005, 06:20:34 AM »

Copying Apple on anything except UIs is a step backwards. Hell, the Gamecube is probably more powerful for gaming than that "Mac Mini" junk. The Mighty Mouse apparently uses some fancy sensors to detect left or right click, unfortunatly they fail if you don't hold your fingers above the mouse except when you want to click the respective button. And clicking both buttons won't work, either. The mouse doesn't report a press of the left or right thumb button individually, it considers both one button. Say what you will about Microsoft but they build much better mice (and other peripherials). I don't think someone who can't grasp the concept of two buttons would grasp the concept of right-clicking not working when they rest their index finger on the left "button". Blank surfaces are confusing. What does different things should be visibly separated. Which is also why I hate stealth games, there's no indicators showing where you can and can't go.

"if someone need to ask that than they need to be put down to sleep left eveything and right click for menu god do tou mac use need to ask left foot or right foot when walking or do you crawl like the baby you are."

English, motherf-er, do you speak it?

nickmitch · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2005, 09:46:04 AM »

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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Danger Mouse was way cooler than Mighty Mouse.

Yeah, but he didn't have the aliteration of Mighty Mouse. Then there's Jerry and how he was so adorable and abusive at the same time.

stevey · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2005, 09:51:59 AM »

Then there's Jerry and how he was so adorable and abusive at the same time.

wait jerry the mouse isn't he tom.

nickmitch · « **Reply #30 on:** August 06, 2005, 09:59:19 AM »

Tom's the cat and Jerry's the mouse.
And wasn't the dog's name Rex? I'm not so sure. . .

jasonditz · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2005, 12:49:57 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Copying Apple on anything except UIs is a step backwards. Hell, the Gamecube is probably more powerful for gaming than that "Mac Mini" junk. The Mighty Mouse apparently uses some fancy sensors to detect left or right click, unfortunatly they fail if you don't hold your fingers above the mouse except when you want to click the respective button. And clicking both buttons won't work, either. The mouse doesn't report a press of the left or right thumb button individually, it considers both one button. Say what you will about Microsoft but they build much better mice (and other peripherials). I don't think someone who can't grasp the concept of two buttons would grasp the concept of right-clicking not working when they rest their index finger on the left "button". Blank surfaces are confusing. What does different things should be visibly separated. Which is also why I hate stealth games, there's no indicators showing where you can and can't go.

"if someone need to ask that than they need to be put down to sleep left eveything and right click for menu god do tou mac use need to ask left foot or right foot when walking or do you crawl like the baby you are."

English, motherf-er, do you speak it?

The Mac Mini is actually a relatively powerful system. I don't know how satisfying the game experience is if bought the cheapest of the first iteration... but any of the ones you can buy now will play a much better game of Halo than an Xbox will.

Also, where did you try the Mighty Mouse? The one I saw didn't do anything when you rested your hand on it... did they maybe make a different version for people who want to bash Apple?

IceCold · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2005, 07:45:08 PM »

Wasn't it Brutus? No, wait, Spike!

(Not wrong thread - I wouldn't dare call my Nintendog that)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2005, 09:20:12 PM »

jason: I read a review. Resting your hands on it doesn't do anything by itself but it uses a heat sensor to determine whether you clicked left or right when you click. Resting your left finger on the mouse while trying to click with the right "button" will result in a left click. Plus that mouse costs 50$, a ripoff for a mouse with such flaws, less than five buttons AND no wireless.

nickmitch · « **Reply #34 on:** August 07, 2005, 07:18:21 PM »

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Originally posted by: IceCold
Wasn't it Brutus? No, wait, Spike!

(Not wrong thread)

But of cource! It was on his bowl! And dog house. . .I think. . .

jasonditz · « **Reply #35 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:09:39 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
jason: I read a review. Resting your hands on it doesn't do anything by itself but it uses a heat sensor to determine whether you clicked left or right when you click. Resting your left finger on the mouse while trying to click with the right "button" will result in a left click. Plus that mouse costs 50$, a ripoff for a mouse with such flaws, less than five buttons AND no wireless.

The scroll ball probably adds to the cost, as does the brand... Apple stuff ain't cheap, but it usually lasts a lot longer than the stuff you can buy at OfficeMax for like $5 after mail in rebate.

I'll have to take your word that the heat sensor does all these horrible things since I don't have one of the mice here with me... but when I was using one the other day I sure didn't notice the described problem...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:12:25 AM »

I don't know about OfficeMax but both Microsoft and Logitech build fairly durable stuff.

Meh, considering I use all seven buttons on my mouse when playing Battlefield 2 a four button mouse doesn't satisfy me, no matter what.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #37 on:** August 08, 2005, 03:06:07 PM »

I would love it if the Revolution came bundled with a mouse. That alone would really open up things gameplay wise.

jasonditz · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2005, 04:34:01 PM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I don't know about OfficeMax but both Microsoft and Logitech build fairly durable stuff.

Meh, considering I use all seven buttons on my mouse when playing Battlefield 2 a four button mouse doesn't satisfy me, no matter what.

I can't speak for Microsoft, but Logitech mice are good, that's what i'm using right now. Its got five buttons and a scroll wheel, but I never really use more than three.

Some users are going to use all the buttons on the mouse no matter how many there are... 99% of computer users never use more than two buttons and a scroll wheel. A good chunk of Apple's customers seem perfectly happy with the single button mouse. Personally I'm not interested in the number of buttons past three, its the very nifty scroll ball on the top that got me interested. Near as I can tell, there's nothing at all like that in the same price range.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:18:26 AM »

Okay, yeah, you only need those buttons for gaming (okay, and some pro apps like 3d Studio MAX) so the Mac really doesn't need those. I mean, Breakout, Super Breakout and Photoshop dopn't need more than one button

Artimus · « **Reply #40 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:25:15 AM »

I right click all the time...

jasonditz · « **Reply #41 on:** August 09, 2005, 11:48:50 AM »

that second button comes in mighty handy in Civ3 or Blizzard games... but most Mac games actually can be played with a single button.

I'm better for usability Photoshop benefits a lot more from that scrollball than it would from a 5th, 6th, and 7th button.

Rhoq · « **Reply #42 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:14:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: jasonditz

The Mighty Mouse (mine's still not here, but I got to have a look at a friend's) manages to keep Apple's simple mouse design which makes the neophyte user so comfortable while at the same time giving the more seasoned user a very functional multi-button mouse that is definately on par with similarly priced mice from Logitech or, god forbid, Microsoft.

So you've had the opportunity to play around with the Mighty Mouse, then? The scrollball looks like a nice feature - but the overall design of the mouse look a bit too awkward for me.

I don't know - I've been using a Logictech MX-300 since OS9 and to be honest with you, I don't think I could ever bring myself back to using an Apple Pro Mouse. When I bought my PM G4 (MDD) I didn't even bother removing the plastic from the "Pro" mouse that shipped with the machine. I still have it at home, sitting in a box somewhere. The Mighty Mouse is a definite step in the right direction, but I'm still not persuaded to buy one...yet.

Jason, I'd love to hear (read) your impressions once you receive yours.

jasonditz · « **Reply #43 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:21:18 PM »

I just fiddled with one briefly at a friends house, I wouldn't say I got the "full experience". I just used it long enough to say that it didn't seem to have any sort of learning curve.

I'm using an MX-310 on this system, but when I take my powerbook somewhere I use one of the Pro Mice on that, I don't really miss the second button that much.

Rhoq · « **Reply #44 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:24:42 PM »

The funny thing about all of this Apple/Mac bashing is that Mac users and Nintendo fanboys share so many qualities that it's scary...

I have been an Apple user for almost 20 years (after I stopped using my Commodore 64, I became interested in Macintosh). In my adult life, I have never owned a non-Apple computer and never will.

I find that most Mac bashing comes from people who have never even used a Mac and those that have, hadn't since System 7 or 8.

MacOS-X is light years ahead of Windows. Tiger (MacOS-X v10.4) already contains many of the features that have been stripped out of the forthcoming Windows Vista and Leopard (MacOS-X v10.5) will be released around the same time as "Vista" and will have (potentially) hundreds more additional features that will take Microsoft another 5 years to "adopt" for their OS.

stevey · « **Reply #45 on:** August 09, 2005, 02:19:37 PM »

"The funny thing about all of this Apple/Mac bashing is that Mac users and Nintendo fanboys share so many qualities that it's scary..."

HOW DARE YOU CALL NINTENDO AND APPLE THE SAME! SONY IS MORE LIKE APPLE THAN NINTENDO. NINTENDO DOSEN'T CARE HOW PREETY GAME ARE, SONY DOSE, NINTENDO STUFF DOSEN'T BREAK LIKE APPLE/SONY STUFF DO! I'M A COME FOR YEAH!I KNOW WERE YOU LIVE!@__@

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #46 on:** August 09, 2005, 04:41:39 PM »

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Originally posted by: stevey
"The funny thing about all of this Apple/Mac bashing is that Mac users and Nintendo fanboys share so many qualities that it's scary..."

HOW DARE YOU CALL NINTENDO AND APPLE THE SAME! SONY IS MORE LIKE APPLE THAN NINTENDO. NINTENDO DOSEN'T CARE HOW PREETY GAME ARE, SONY DOSE, NINTENDO STUFF DOSEN'T BREAK LIKE APPLE/SONY STUFF DO! I'M A COME FOR YEAH!I KNOW WERE YOU LIVE!@__@

Boy Stevey, that post is so satin, satin I say.

nickmitch · « **Reply #47 on:** August 09, 2005, 05:30:44 PM »

Somebody forgot their medicine todaaay!!

Galford · « **Reply #48 on:** August 09, 2005, 06:24:03 PM »

Is this going to turn into an Apple vs MS thread?

Do we really need one of these here? Honestly, for every one thing a Mac Zealot could say
about MS, a MS user could say the same thing about Apple.

One example, MS brought preemptive multitasking and protected memory to the PC world back in Windows 95. The Mac didn't get it until OS X.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, but there are some very real reasons why Apple has around 5% market in the PC world, and very few of them have to do with MS.

jasonditz · « **Reply #49 on:** August 09, 2005, 07:06:20 PM »

actually preemptive multitasking and protected memory were brought to the PC world by OS/2, not Windows 95...

If we're going to start a flame war, lets at least get OS/2 involved too

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