Author Topic: Is the RevOlution based of the Mac Mini and if so ... (Read 17269 times)

Nile Boogie · « **on:** August 02, 2005, 12:54:40 PM »

is the RevOlution controller based off this! I find it to be quite possible on both questions since the GameCube seems to be based off the G3 iMac (loosely). Anyway, can this be incorporated in the new Controller somehow? Could the ReV. come with 2 distinct controllers, one for traditionalist and one for the nooB or maybe a combination of both?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #1 on:** August 02, 2005, 01:07:20 PM »

What indicates a click for this mouse? Will resting your finger on the button count? I rest my fingers on the mouser buttons all the time and occasionally tap them without clicking them.

And is there any benefit to this feature? One button that acts like two is neat but is nothing better than two buttons. Two buttons is arguably BETTER because it's very easy to tell which button is which. Here you have to guess. It's a good marketing bullet point but nothing worth giving a sh!t about in real life.

The 360 scrollbar is really cool though.

I don't really see any of this having any use for a controller. Well not a GOOD controller anyway. Nintendo could always just have a blank slate instead of buttons that figures out where you pushed but that would provide no advantage and would just be an inferior gimmick. I can't see the buttons or feel them. I'm much less intimidated now.

Though just because I don't think Nintendo should use any of these ideas doesn't mean they won't. I suppose it's possible. They're doing something different.

stevey · « **Reply #2 on:** August 02, 2005, 03:45:27 PM »

No! The mac min is weak and is for girly-men that like preaty computer over a good computer! That play with ponys and like to put on a dress!

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 02, 2005, 04:01:31 PM »

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No! The mac min is weak and is for girly-men that like preaty computer over a good computer! That play with ponys and like to put on a dress!

(Yosemite Sam's Voice) "You sir have insulted me. Would you like to discuss this matter further over pistols at dawn".

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2005, 04:36:33 PM »

Actually that mouse has a couple of features that could be great for a controller. The Scroll ball instead of analog stick or trackball (I know same thing right) would be great, because you could put it right next to the buttons and you can quickly and easily navigate the camera and buttons. It would be an amazing blessing for 3D games. The touch sensitive buttons could also be used quite well. You would obviously need to label them better than on that mouse but still.

Rhoq · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:54:21 AM »

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No! The mac min is weak and is for girly-men that like preaty computer over a good computer! That play with ponys and like to put on a dress!

The Mac mini is great little machine for people just entering the Macintosh world. I would probably never own one due to it's limitations - but it can't be beat for it's price. I am perfectly happy with my PowerMac 1.25GHz G4 MDD tower. I've never been a fan of Windows and have never owned a non-Apple machine.

Apple's introduction of the "Mighty Mouse" yesterday, is the second phase of their new aggressive attempt at gaining marketshare (the Intel annoucement was the the first). BIG things are coming from Apple. Steve Jobs is god. :lol:

Pale · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:06:03 AM »

I didn't know a rectangle could be a copyable idea.

stevey · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2005, 11:06:59 AM »

"Steve Jobs is god. :lol:"

How dare you! REGGIE IS GOD GOD AND BILL GATE/steve jobs IS SATIN!!!

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2005, 11:15:40 AM »

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Steve Jobs is god. :lol:

REGGIE IS GOD GOD AND BILL GATE/steve jobs IS SATIN!!!

I had some satin sheets once, there were pretty nice and very smooth, made me not want to get out of bed sometimes.

But if you are saying that Steve Jobs is satin are you saying that he is smooth like silk? Is that new slang?
cause the Mac designs are really smooth, aesthetically and literally.

reminds me of the other day when this rasta lookin guy said he wanted so go smoke a pole, I knew he was talkin about a blunt, but when you smoke a pole it usually refers to something else I'm in California near San Francisco

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2005, 12:39:16 PM »

Yeah "satin" is the way to go. Did you hear about Metriod Prime 3, boy that game looks satin.

Renny · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:23:35 PM »

Anyone else watch "Austin Stories"? No? Just askin'....

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:38:29 PM »

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Originally posted by: Renny
Anyone else watch "Austin Stories"? No? Just askin'....

What are the "Austin Stories" & why do you ask?

wandering · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2005, 11:58:17 PM »

Well, I don't really like the idea of hidden buttons, but....
I could definitely see the big N making a controller that has 4 face buttons which could essentially become one giant button for certain games.

stevey · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2005, 04:54:33 AM »

^last 5 post^ what?

Renny · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2005, 09:15:49 AM »

It was a show on MTV. A good show. Too good. It was canned after one season. IRT: "Satin."

jasonditz · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2005, 08:49:48 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
What indicates a click for this mouse? Will resting your finger on the button count? I rest my fingers on the mouser buttons all the time and occasionally tap them without clicking them.

And is there any benefit to this feature? One button that acts like two is neat but is nothing better than two buttons. Two buttons is arguably BETTER because it's very easy to tell which button is which. Here you have to guess. It's a good marketing bullet point but nothing worth giving a sh!t about in real life.

It operates the same as the Apple optical "no button" mouse, so no... resting your finger on it will not count as a click.

One obvious benefit is that one could have the mouse behave as a vanilla one-button mouse without having the user confused by extra buttons that don't do anything. For new users that's a BIG deal, the second button psyches them out and they sit there all day asking "left click or right click?" This way they can become comfortable with a one button system and be introduced to the idea of multiple buttons later, when they're ready.

Besides the Gee-Whiz factor, it seems to be a solid mouse with some compelling features for a competitive price. I've got one on order, so I can say for sure better when it actually arrives.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2005, 09:16:53 PM »

"For new users that's a BIG deal, the second button psyches them out and they sit there all day asking 'left click or right click?' This way they can become comfortable with a one button system and be introduced to the idea of multiple buttons later, when they're ready."

Oh God. Do these same people have difficulty with driving a car? Left pedal for brake or right pedal? Oh no this car has a THIRD pedal. I'm f*cked.

There comes a point where it's just "if you can't get this, f*ck off". We keep talking about making things less intimidating because that's what Nintendo says they want to do so we keep going in that direction ourselves with our controller suggestions. I think we have to ask if this is even necessary. Some people are just DUMB and if they don't get how to play a game, tough sh!t. It seems really unfair for OUR games to be comprimised for people like this. It's bad enough that the Rev controller might lose some important functionality because of this issue (which I feel is a manufactured problem, surely the Dualshock wouldn't be the most popular controller ever built if this was a big deal). But to take it to this level where we're not even showing buttons on the controller face is ridiculous. That would be making a controller for people intimidated by the NES controller. It's just not worth it to go to that level. Such a design would turn off so many serious gamers as well as any person with even the slightest technical knowledge.

anubis6789 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2005, 09:35:51 PM »

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Oh God. Do these same people have difficulty with driving a car? Left pedal for brake or right pedal? Oh no this car has a THIRD pedal. I'm f*cked.

Just Because I do not know how to drive a standard does not mean I am stupid.

Seriously though, that has to be your best post ever Ian and agree with on this subject one hundred percent.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2005, 03:57:52 AM »

Ian i'm pretty positive that by now nintendo has considered how many hardcore and image-conscious gamers they could potentially lose with whatever wacky concept and "user interface" [which i swear is probably just a controller with a microphone on it, so they can justify calling it an interface], but the big N does have the potential to reach out and nab the attention (and pocketbooks) of former gamers. For instance my uncle and aunts used to play Intellivision and NES like madz but really slowed down as videogame controllers became more daunting with two shoulder buttons and a handful of shapes and symbols on the face buttons. I feel that nintendo might be able to draw in these estgranged gamers if they can build a more intuitive, less intimidating controller (and make the download service online-compatible for older titles). that doesnt mean the controller will lack functionality.. they could add a second pair of shoulder buttons as pressure sensitive grips, thus slipping in two more buttons that are easy to find and easier to use... umm well im bored and so too shall all of you be by now

i have one of those mighty mice on order as well; they better ship that sht before the weekend... I need that before I move into my dorm. I might have made a mistake in choosing the mighty mouse over the wireless one, but we'll see how things play out in the next 2 wks.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2005, 07:47:33 AM »

"Just Because I do not know how to drive a standard does not mean I am stupid."

Actually I can't drive a standard.

Here in BC the driver's licence system changed the year I turned 16 so that new drivers were required to show an "N" on their car and had to take another test two years later to get a full licence. Since I was under a deadline to get in under the old system I learned on an automatic and got my licence the day before the switch. But I'm not intimidated by driving a standard. I have done it before and I get the concept, I just need more practice.

The willingless to learn is an important factor. I think it's reasonable to make things less intimidating if there is a large group of people who are trying to use a modern controller but can't get it. But a lot of examples people are giving are to the tune of "oh that looks too hard I won't even try". If you aren't willing to try then you don't deserve to have things changed for you. Being unable to adapt and being scared are totally different issues.

vudu · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2005, 09:11:49 AM »

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There comes a point where it's just "if you can't get this, f*ck off".

That's bloody excellent. Ian, you've replaced nemo_83 as my sig. Congrats.

jasonditz · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2005, 10:35:51 AM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"For new users that's a BIG deal, the second button psyches them out and they sit there all day asking 'left click or right click?' This way they can become comfortable with a one button system and be introduced to the idea of multiple buttons later, when they're ready."

Oh God. Do these same people have difficulty with driving a car? Left pedal for brake or right pedal? Oh no this car has a THIRD pedal. I'm f*cked.

There comes a point where it's just "if you can't get this, f*ck off". We keep talking about making things less intimidating because that's what Nintendo says they want to do so we keep going in that direction ourselves with our controller suggestions. I think we have to ask if this is even necessary. Some people are just DUMB and if they don't get how to play a game, tough sh!t. It seems really unfair for OUR games to be comprimised for people like this. It's bad enough that the Rev controller might lose some important functionality because of this issue (which I feel is a manufactured problem, surely the Dualshock wouldn't be the most popular controller ever built if this was a big deal). But to take it to this level where we're not even showing buttons on the controller face is ridiculous. That would be making a controller for people intimidated by the NES controller. It's just not worth it to go to that level. Such a design would turn off so many serious gamers as well as any person with even the slightest technical knowledge.

I think the whole point of this (as opposed to say, using wireless Atari 2600 Joysticks on the Rev) is that it can attract less experienced people with its simplicity without compromising the experience for the rest of us.

The Mighty Mouse (mine's still not here, but I got to have a look at a friend's) manages to keep Apple's simple mouse design which makes the neophyte user so comfortable while at the same time giving the more seasoned user a very functional multi-button mouse that is definately on par with similarly priced mice from Logitech or, god forbid, Microsoft.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2005, 06:17:51 PM »

i want my damn mouse! they've been "processing" my order for 3 business days!

nickmitch · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2005, 07:32:17 PM »

lol! Mighty Mouse!

RABicle · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2005, 02:35:03 AM »

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No! The mac min is weak and is for girly-men that like preaty computer over a good computer! That play with ponys and like to put on a dress!

I will stab you.

If anything NileBoogie the Gamecube was based on the G3cube

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Author Topic: Is the RevOlution based of the Mac Mini and if so ... (Read 17269 times)