Topic: Revolution Secret 'Leaked' At Brokensaints (SPOILER)

[Artimus]

This deserves it's own topic. You are currently forewarned that this is quite possibly the answer to Revolution's secret, and should you wish to wait til E3, stop reading.






















Last chance.

The secret has been posted here.

Now, this is by no means official, and is technically another rumour. But maybe it's correct. For those of you who don't want to read, here is what it says hidden:

-...When an agent friend of mine was chatting with Rodriguez (there to pump Sin City and discuss his experiences with Spy Kids 3D), he mentioned how they were aware of a game machine beating [3D film supporters] to the mainstream 3D market.

-The next day, I contacted another strangely influential industry pal/pundit and shared my thesis purely for fun’s sake (and perhaps some extremely lame bragging rights). The final shiny block of tetrisy knowledge slid into place when he excitedly shared the following - that the Big N had shown a real-time 3D add-on for Gamecube behind closed doors…AT LAST YEAR’S E3. This is the sound of four rows dropping.

So, thoughts?
 

[KnowsNothing]

TEH NEXT VIRTUAL BOY

[TheYoungerPlumber]

Pft, I think that's bull.  From what I've heard, and it's from a pretty reliable guy in the know, it will be played on a normal TV.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation, and this 3D can be done on a TV.  Even if this technology can be played on standard and HDTV, I don't think it is true.  Nintendo is well aware of what a console is, and what 3D glasses would do.  Biggest problems I see:

1) You can't watch/play comfortably without the glasses
2) People who just can't process damn 3D glasses (my brain can't process the two images correctly, it's actually a medical/eye condition) are screwed.
3) The extra technology doesn't really add much to the experience, in my personal opinion.

So there you have it.  This guy includes everything speculated in his cozy little article, so he'll get "something right," but I say that 3D imaging stuff is pure crap.  If Nintendo fooled with the technology, they've abandoned it and patented it "just in case".

[nemo_83]

It is about time 3D was made a standard as it will allow gamers to see depth in 3D games, but I think you will need some kind of glasses or a vr screen(s) because I just can't understand how this will work out with a normal tv.  

Still this is not enough.  People are looking for a revolution not an evolution.  A revolution would be related to gameplay, this bit is related to the display instead.

[ThePerm]

yeah i cant process 2 images at the same time...naturally they are supposed to be combined into one image...but when i look into a microscope that is binocular...my eyes keep the images seperate and it gives me a headache. My theory though is the reason why my mind does this because i playewd so many multiplayer games on n64...i look at the other person's screen at the same time i look at mine.

[wandering]

What if the 3d was optional? Sure, you could make a game that requires 3d, or uses 3d in a gimmicky fashion to constantly throw stuff in your face. But then, you could also make a game that required 3d sound. And while games like Rogue Leader and Eternal Darkness are definitely a lot better with 3d sound, no game currently requires it. No game forces you to determine which direction a sound is coming from.

I think 3d could a lot to the game play experience. And it seems poised to make a big comeback, at least in Hollywood. If Nintendo decided to stay off the bandwagon until 2012 or whenever, that could be a huge missed opportunity.

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Pft, I think that's bull. From what I've heard, and it's from a pretty reliable guy in the know, it will be played on a normal TV.

What if it can be played on a normal tv with glasses, a special monitor without glasses (which would be used in store displays maybe?) and, optionally, without any 3d at all?

[Robotor]

I don't think 3-D could enhance the experience, or even make the graphics better.  It's not actually revolutionary, and its not even that impressive to me.  That is unless I could physically touch whatever objects are being projected.  Also since Nintendo confirmed(I think) that the REV could be plugged into a computer moniter this seems even more unlikely.

[TheYoungerPlumber]

Yeah, it's sounding like this is TV technology, I was a bit confused.  Even so, folks like ThePerm and me will be hoping this is an optional feature.  In 3D World Runner (NES) Select turned the crazy "3D" graphics on and off.

Still, to me such a feature is about as gimmicky as they come.  I've seen such displays at GDC the last two years, and they never wowed me.

[trip1eX]

And just how is this going to be implemented?   I don't think this is it.

[Stimutacs Addict]

im excited, but i seriously doubt any sort of touchscreen capabilities.

I'll buy into the 3d thing for now; that could offer some AMAZING looking games (assuming it's not crummy-Michael-Jackson-Moonwalker 3d)

does this fit into the "touching is good, feeling is better" rumor?

[Savior]

It would trully be revolutionary if true... your talking about 3D Madden where you would also interact with the football thanks to the Gyration controls. Thats a new level of inmersion that you wouldnt have with your competitors. I dont know if its true or not, but i would love to see it happen...  

[nickmitch]

TV can do ANYTHING. . .

[kirby_killer_dedede]

...taking it into 3D's not revolutionary by any means...

but, if true, it is quite interesting there's stuff going on at E3 we don't know about. o_o  

[zakkiel]

I have no need or desire for 3D display, and I heartily doubt Nintendo is doing anything with it. Too many people would just have headaches. I think Virtual Boy taught them their lesson. And no, a gyroscopic controller wouldn't let you reach into the game; for one thing, the display won't be able to convince you if you're that close, and for another, a gyroscope can only keep track of which way a controller is aiming, not where it is.

[Nile Boogie]

PLEASE BARE WITH ME AS I AM ONLY USING MY VERY LITTLE KNOWLEGE OF THINGS TO COME UP WITH A THIN OUTLINE FOR WHAT COULD BE REVOLUTIONARY"


While I am no expert, I do remember my IT days in the Navy. Nothing the sort of 3d gaming ever came up in my training. However I do remember a technology called "Tempest", which allowed infomation to be pulled from a screen (computer or Tv) using the screens frequency and then rebroadcast in some kinda flux. Since all Tv's and Monitors use a freq. of  60hrz for the screen, Imagine if you will a full duplex transmission between the tv and the Revolution on the freq of 60hrz:

Revolution hooked up to the TV using Traditional methods, i.e. RCA, s-video, Componet Cables:
Now Imagine another signal from the Tv srceen in 60hrz that the Revolution picks up and then Retransmittis 0.005sec later that the Tv tries to pick up:
Last, insted of glasses, you would use a special light bulb that you could pulg in to any light fixture to see the second image being sent from the Rev. back to the screen on the same freq of 60hz only a tad later and in flux, kinda like a hologram and BAM, 3D gaming on a regular Tv with no glasses.

Now I know that has many, many holes and I'm probably missing some key facts to using "tempest" but with the limited info and rumors we have, this is the only crap I could come up with. Feel free to inject sense into this maddness of a post.
PLEASE BARE WITH ME AS I AM ONLY USING MY VERY LITTLE KNOWLEGE OF THINGS TO COME UP WITH A THIN OUTLINE FOR WHAT COULD BE REVOLUTIONARY"

[Truthliesn1seyes]

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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
...taking it into 3D's not revolutionary by any means...

Everyone seems to be saying that a true 3d display is not a revolution but everyone is forgetting who exactly is driving the industry right now.  Mainstream gamers and consumers are the force in the industry, not us who really take our gaming seriously.  A true 3d display at an affordable price would be nothing short of a HUGE success.  Just think about how new displays affect us.  When we buy a new HDtv, plasma, or any other high end tv, don't we all pull out older games just to experience them on the new display.  I know I will be playing Resident Evil 4 again whenever I move on up to HDtvs and complete surround sound.  If a simple upgrade like standard tvs to High def tv could make us replay older games just to see the games with the new display, imagine what a upgrade from standard tvs to true 3d would be like.  

I agree that this does very little to enhance gameplay but I'm all for it.  If Nintendo can provide next gen graphics AND a true 3d display then this could possibly give me that feeling of jumping to the next gen.  I felt it when I went from Nintendo to Super Nintendo and again with N64 and psx.  The feeling was lost though with the move to the current gen and I don't see it happening again with this upcoming gen.  Graphics have reached the point that little can be done to truely amaze us.  The pictures I've seen of next gen games and the video of the next gen Madden have left me less than impressed.  

It would be a fitting scenario though if you think about it.  Nintendo ushered in 3d gameplay with the analog stick and Mario 64 and if this holds up to be true, they'll usher in the next level of 3d gaming with gyro powered controls (and who knows what else) and a 3d display.  

[Morales]

Hmmm.  I'm trying to think of the best way all of this can come together.  Price is a concern too.  I have no idea how much this 3d technology is.  They say cheap, but what's that.  Then, it appears some type of projection may be used (remember that prototype rev pic that people judged as fake) with or without glasses.  

I'd say the controller should be basically a Gamecube controller but with the b button in the original position ala the x and y.  Have it be able to separate into two halves for gyro and one-handed gaming.  Keep triggers how they are, but add in a squeezable grip button instead of another set of L's and R's.  Finally, I'd just nix the camera stick.  This "pda" device should essentially be a VMU with a nicer touch screen and alot more storage room.  You could use it to store personal profiles, custom music, saved games, mods, extra goodies, etc.  I can see it fitting in on the controller in the middle underneath the connecting parts.  It will probably be sold separate ala a memory card.  Otherwise the system will be over $299.  

If there are glasses they should come with the mic and earpiece too.

If Nintendo can do this with a competatively powered system, a strong and free internet experience, and market it as well as they did the DS, then Nintendo may rule this next generation.  

[Stimutacs Addict]

could the light needed to produce the 3d image come from your controller?

EDIT: no i guess that would get way too hot..  

[KDR_11k]

I'm another one of those depth perception deficient people so count me out as well.

There have been 3d glasses for videogames since the early N64 days (I remember an article about 3d equipment and Shadow of the Empire), they were limited to PCs and never took off because of the headaches. I'm pretty sure even Doom 3 supports stereoscopic rendering but the number of people using it is low.

Simple red/green stereo images will work on any TV and are supported by many PC games, AFAIK.

[slingshot]

It could come from the rev----- projected out of the top, straight up towards the screen so there is no glare in your eyes, or reflection of fthe screen.  

The 3 D that Lucas is talkin about , and I read that JAmes Cameron is almost done filming an underwater movie that uses this technology, does not require any glasses.  How it works- I have no idea.  But I read that the movies are in 3D, and have no funky colors.  We may not be talking about flying over-your-head 3D, but the images come out of the screen enough to convey depth.  Because you don't need glasses, people should be able to easily see the 3D effect.  I honestly would not have thought this was possible for a home console yet- since I know it hasn't even hit theaters yet.  But- I guess we should have an idea in 4 weeks.

For those that just want better graphics and nothing more- buy the EX or PS.  For everyone that wants better graphics and a whole lot more- NINTY!!!!!!!!!

[Don'tHate742]

Sounds....pretty.....worthless....

If I remember correctly, didn't some "official" source say that it would be an existing technology used in some way not seen before. How has 3D on a TV not been used before?

Anyways, I hope this is not true. 3D is by far the most gimmicky feature Nintendo could of possibly came up with.

As for whoever's argument about 3D being a hit with casual gamers....ya, I can see that, just how I saw 3D theaters being a hit with the casual movie goer....

There was sarcasm in that if you didn't know.

Maybe there is some new way this technology can be used, but by BrokenSaints comments, it doesn't sound like it.  

[Ian Sane]

The 3D stuff certainly sounds pretty lame.  Definitely not something that would have any significant impact on the industry.  But that isn't proof that it's not what the Rev really is.  Just because the idea isn't very cool doesn't mean it's false.  Nintendo overestimated the greatness of a fair bit of their ideas with the Cube so it's entirely possible that they think that this 3D stuff will give them some huge advantage even if a lot of us don't think it will.

But this 3D stuff, even if it is real, might not be all that Nintendo has planned.  By itself it's nothing too amazing but as part of several features it could be pretty neat.  The mic on the DS isn't that awesome but combined with 2 screens and a touchscreen it's pretty neat.  Iwata said that the DS will give us an indication of what the Rev will be like.  The DS' big advatange is that it has a lot of neat features which in theory provides more flexibility for game design.  That might be what Nintendo's planning for the Rev.

So the Rev might have this 3D display stuff plus motion sensors built into the controller, traditional enough controller design to allow for Cube backwards-compatibility, wireless internet, hell let's throw in a mouse too.  Combined that makes things more impressive and actually could provide an advantage.  Having a whole bunch of extra stuff, provided the traditional options are still there, would make for a very flexible development environment.

Though while I think the DS in theory is designed really well I haven't been too impressed with the execution.  If the Rev had a similiar "lots of features" design it could run into the risk of being gimmicky and getting some of the same criticism that the DS has.  But with the right software such a design could work really well.

[Spak-Spang]

Ian Sane:  What the heck is going on, that was a pretty positive Nintendo post...are you feeling ok?

I personally hope that 3D isn't all it is.  I could be a cool aside, but really 3D could already be done this generation.  All it involves is taking the game and splitting the image to allow for 3D view.  

In fact, I thought there were 3D games on the Super Nintendo way back.  Or atleast one...and it was horrible.

[PaLaDiN]

Maybe we should hold off on criticism until we're actually sure we need glasses for this 3D stuff?

Read the context, people. The guy was excited about stuff that will beat the movies to the screen. 3D theatres have been out for a while now.

[TheYoungerPlumber]

I'm telling you guys, Nintendo is not making something that uses some non-TV visual display.  Nintendo certainly wouldn't make it so the system has to be placed in JUST the right position, and it just doesn't make money sense.