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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2005, 09:10:11 PM »
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Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution


The Time Splitters, Perfect Dark, Fanboy in me just drooled.   Is it Metroid Prime Revolution? Geist II? or something new...

the other stuf... ho hum Just kidding  
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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2005, 09:11:49 PM »
"As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea? That’s why Nintendo is still trying to determine what to show at E3."

I would assume that the Wavebird, which is obviously no secret, is what gave MS the idea.  The fact that both will use wireless controllers is common sense, not stealing ideas.  It's a natural evolution of what Nintendo gave us this gen.

One thing that is very convincing about the stuff Truthliesn1seyes posted is that it doesn't come across as a fanboy dream feature like most of the less believable rumours.  The things mentioned are cool but also logical and somewhat realistic.  Most rumours are retarded stuff like "A Link to the Past 2!!!" and virtual reality.  The only thing that seems really unbelievable is the grips thing because I don't quite understand what it even is or if it's feasible.  If it's fake it gets full points for creativity and for being presented in a well written way.

I LOVE that online setup.  That ALONE would give Nintendo a huge advantage.  It fits Nintendo really well which is why it's so believable.

I don't understand how gyroscope controls would work for a Halo killer though.  The whole Halo killer thing is a little fanboyish.  It's a great idea and realistically I could see NOA considering it but it's such a blatantly obvious idea that I kind of doubt Nintendo would do it.  They're, well, spazzed at the best of times and offering alternatives to competing killer apps isn't really their thing.  Of course they could, get this, learn from their mistakes.  HA!

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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2005, 09:19:29 PM »
Moving the targeting reticle with the gyros instead of the right analog stick... but it would be tiring ...


and hopefully  they dont hype it as a halo killer... Killzone was supposed to be a Halo Killer and ended up sucking...


This is of course if those rumors are true

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This sounds really fanboyish though, but it would be hilarious if Nintendo attempted to steal Xboxs hype...  
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« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2005, 09:26:20 PM »
Bill, does that mean you also know some info that your not sharing?

I WISH!  I meant along the lines of me saying whether this is believable or not  (which is hard to figure out)

The only thing that seems really unbelievable is the grips thing because I don't quite understand what it even is or if it's feasible.

How so?  Just picture some type of "cushion" that you squeeze as a button...But as being technically feasible, I'm not an expert...

It's a great idea and realistically I could see NOA considering it but it's such a blatantly obvious idea that I kind of doubt Nintendo would do it.

Could you see Reggie suggesting it?  Hmmmm?

The Time Splitters, Perfect Dark, Fanboy in me just drooled. Is it Metroid Prime Revolution? Geist II? or something new...

I'll put in my two cents and say it's an original project by Retro...
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2005, 09:29:02 PM »
That would be cool... but gyroscopes are used...

makes me think its Prime III... using the gyros for visors and things... Hopefully im wrong cause Prime and Halo are unfairly compaired...  
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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2005, 10:37:09 PM »
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That would be cool... but gyroscopes are used...

makes me think its Prime III... using the gyros for visors and things... Hopefully im wrong cause Prime and Halo are unfairly compaired...


If legit, I doubt it's an existing franchise. The last Metroid didn't sell so hot and has never been a real First Person Shooter. Besides, if you're gonna throw around the term "Revolution", the last thing you want to do is offer a line up full of the same old faces.

If Nintendo really wants to toss a grenade right into Microsoft's camp, they'd produce a unique property that shows that they can still come up with new franchises and cater to that mature fan base without sacrificing all the things that make them special. That mesh of tradition with innovation/evolution would really set the tone for the new generation and hopefully begin to change the average gamer's perception of what Nintendo is all about.

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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2005, 10:50:21 PM »
That was well...the best rumor we've had in awhile.

The online setup is enough to make even Paladin gag! ahaha

As for voice-command. I hope. I loved sending a team into a building in Socom.

Ian: Gyroscopic controller for a FPS is next best thing to actually holding a gun, and shooting the sh*t out of the screen....and oh ya, virtual reality.

It would allow for human-like control, while being incredibly easy to master.

In response to the pressure sensitive grips, that would be sweet. If anyone has ridden a motorcycle or even seen one used, you know that they turn the right handle or throttle to go faster. However, what do they do right before they turn the throttle? The squeeze the handle for grip. So basically, pressure sensitive grip simplifies that whole problem with turning the controller.

As for WaveRace being at E3 or even being created....dear God I hope so. It's one of the best racers by far......FAR!

The only thing that would make my day even more would be a Diddy Kong Racing sequel, or a MarioKart that doesn't just pertain to karts. I mean, who hear didn't have fun racing around a hovercraft?! Joint-Adventure was a dream come true.


E3 is looking better by the day. Attach the possibility of this being true to the Zelda pics and coverart, and you have something special.
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« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2005, 04:47:20 AM »
I really don't know what to think about that rumor.

One thing is interesting though...if you are going to have a browser voice recognition would be great to type and chat and such.

As well I might point out that the Browser in the rumor sounds more like a closed network.  I don't think it would have full internet access, but would have an E-mail, Chat, and Message Board system, and the online Magizine.

I could see Nintendo making all the above free, but then making money on game downloads and such.  I you hard of Micro-payments? I think that is what it is called.

It's a suggested new way of buying information on the internet.  Instead of larger fees you build of Microfees  that are like 25 cents here and there for the individual information you get.  Then you get a bill at the end of the month that adds everything together.  It usually allows you to pay much lower prices for your information.  

Imagine Demos, extra levels and such available for 25 cents to a dollar.  You can either sign up with a credit card or get a bill sent to you in the mail.  

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« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2005, 04:55:29 AM »
I think everyon has overlooked something very important here.  How many of you have ever used a computer with voice recognition?  This works FAR beyond one word c ommands.  You can throw away your keyboard.  My friend dictates all of his messages that he emails to me- and his computer converts his voice into text.  

HELLO- CHAT ROOMS- you talk live like on the phone through the headset- OR- you dictate words for the REV to type into text.  Sweet!  

The SQUEEZE grips are nothing more than analog shoulder buttons placed on the handles.  The L and R buttons were pressure sensative in Star fox right?  I can't recall.  But on the Rev they are just covered in something softer so they don't feel like buttons.  I'd still wager that there are buttons under that grip though.

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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2005, 05:00:38 AM »
Yeah - that would add tons of simplicity to racing games.  And imagine firing a bow and arrow by squeezing one of the grips to draw the bow, and then letting it go like an arrow.
Or how about in a Zelda game where  you have to lift something heavy, you will have to squeeze harder to lift it than if you lift a lighter object. (once you have lifted the object I think you shouldn't  have to maintain the SAME ammount of pressure to keep  holding it, just maintain some  pressure, and when you want to drop it, release the squeeze entirely.

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« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2005, 05:44:39 AM »
I see a pressure sensitive controller being used in cooperation with the gyro in Miyamoto's Zelda example from a long time ago...The one where he said he wants the gamer to "actually pull the switch"...Squeeze the grips to grab the switch and move the controller (up) to pull it back...The idea is definitely unique...
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« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2005, 06:18:10 AM »
Some more quotes for us to debate.....


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April 27th, 2005 at 3:43 am
Did I say Rare was developing the FPS? Sorry guys, my mistake. As you know, Rare is Microsoft’s property. I meant Retro. Once again, sorry about the typo. Another thing: this isn’t another Metroid sequel I’m talking about. More later.  




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April 27th, 2005 at 4:43 am
“Deepthroat, I don’t think it’s good for you to be lieing to people.

The secret lies directly with the visuals, but it is NOT full 3D. Jesus, E3 is not far off. Just wait till then. You will all be happy. Oh, and also expect a Devil May Cry game at E3 for Revolution.”

I did not post that, nor did I link to Retro Studios. Someone is either playing a game or trying to discredit me. Like I said, Capcom has development kits for the Nintendo Revolution. I have not heard any information on what they’re doing. According to EGM, they are working on Resident Evil 5. I have a feeling that it will be for the Gamecube and/or the PS2, but I may be wrong.

Once again, I apologize for the Rare typo. I meant Retro. I know they are working on a Revolution game, which will be a FPS. I’ve seen it, and I can verify that it will not be the third Metroid Prime. It will be an original IP. I do not work for Retro. When I was with NOA, I visited their studio many times. Outside of the FPS, they are working on a DS game. As N-Sider pointed out months ago, Retro were once working on a car combat game to challenge Twisted Metal Black. This game was scrapped for the Gamecube, and they were given Metroid. They have expanded greatly since the success of the first Metroid Prime, and at E3 they will reveal some of their work.  




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In my opinion, the split was do to arrogance on the part of Nintendo. As Matt from IGN has stated many times, both companies view games very differently. Silicon Knights games were not selling well on the Gamecube, and Nintendo was not treating them with respect. I really think this was a terrible mistake. You will know more about the break up before E3 hopefully. They have some stunning software ready for E3. They aren’t playing around anymore.  




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Silicon Knights is not developing for the Nintendo Revolution right now. They will show off some Xbox 360 games at E3; I can confirm that. Matt saw the game, and he knows what they are up to. Once he is able to talk about it, he will reveal his information to you.

Like I said, I know as much about Resident Evil 5 as you do. I would guess it is going to be a current generation game. If Capcom could have it ready for the holidays (to combat the Xbox 360), it would come out then. But that’s just my own speculation (and hope; RE4 is amazing).

I can confirm that Nintendo is currently working on many Revolution titles. Most are just in the planning stages, but I have seen video of seven. I’m sure at least three or four of these games will be at E3 in video form. Perhaps more; we will see at E3. Outside of our game, there are six 3rd party games that I have heard of. As I mentioned earlier, Square Enix (happy now?) is developing a new game for the Revolution. EA, Sega, Zoonami, Namco, and Activision are currently working on games.

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EA is playing around with the Revolution’s capibilities, implementing them into another Madden game. This isn’t really news though. From what I’ve heard, they are really going out of their way to make this more than just a port. Voice controls are being used to the max in this title. Calling out audibles will be used this way. The wireless capibilities of the system are also going to be used. Like I said, there will be no reason to buy Madden for the Xbox 360 when the Revolution version comes out.

Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.

Zoonami has already given out some hints on what they are working on. I have always felt that Sam Fisher is a much better character than Solid Snake. Zoonami just might have some characters that are better than both of them.

Namco is working on a Revolution game, but I don’t have details on it. I am sure that it is not a Soul Caliber III port. I don’t see why they just won’t add online play and Link and Ganon to the game and release it as a launch title. That would be a very smart move.

Activision is working on some ports for the Revolution. You will see what they have for the Xbox 360 at E3. At least one of these games will be ported to the Revolution for its launch.

On 1st party information:

Like I said, I have seen seven Nintendo titles, some of which will be at E3. When the DS was launced, it had one sub par 1st party game. This will not be the case with the Revolution’s launch. If they were to release all the games I’ve seen at launch, it would easily be the best launch ever for a console.

I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.

A new Super Smash Bros. Melee is in the works as well. This game will demonstrate the online functions of the Revolution. Nintendo has added many new things into the game, included a deeper combat system. Many more special moves are included as well as some very cool suprises. The levels will include some destructible environments, and the characters will be fully customizable. Want to play as Mario in his 80’s outfit? Or would you prefer the 90’s look? It’s your choice. The most innovative part of the game is the different modes. In previous games, you were allowed to play in giant mode, metal mode, small mode, etc. That has changed. You will be able to choose to play in a “Paper” mode (a la Paper Mario), a cel shaded mode (Wind Waker), or Viewtiful Joe-esque mode.

As I said earlier, Retro is working on a Halo killer. This game is going to be one of the best games at E3. In my opinion, StarCraft was the best RTS ever. This game is going to use some similar ideas. In most FPS, you play as a hero trying to save the day. In Retro’s game, they allow you to choose which storyline you want to play, just like StarCraft allows you to play as Terran, Zerg, etc. Biological weapons will play a major part in the game. Imagine fighting in a chemical plant, where toxics are stored everywhere. By shooting them, you emit the toxic. If you get hit by this stuff, many different things may happen. For instance, you may lose sight on the screen, your controls might be inverted or slowed down, etc. Or, if your character gets the fever, the controller might get hot. Very hot. The alien races are very interesting also. You will be able to switch to 3rd person in order to move faster (similar to running in Odd World: Stranger’s Wrath). You will be able to “impregnate” human players by grabbing on to them for a certain amount of time. This will implant a NPC in them, which will burst out at your command, instantly killing the human player. You will then be able to use voice control to command the NPC.

I will reveal what I know about the other four games later.  




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Like Reggie said, Nintendo is changing. They aren’t going to sit around and let Sony and Microsoft steal all of their marketshare. I think they are going to do very well next generation. But it won’t be a cake walk or anything. I still think the PS3 is going to win the next generation. It is alot closer to completion than many think, and at E3 they will show off some amazing stuff as well.

I will tell you guys about the other four titles later. Zelda is not one of them, although I have seen some preliminary designs for the new one. Go look at the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion pics, and then put Link into those environments. A beautiful sight indeed.  




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April 27th, 2005 at 6:43 am
Monkey C: He’s not my co-worker. I don’t even know him, unless of course someone else from my studio is on this blog. That is an interesting idea, but not close.

With respects to the Mario game, it is not Mario 128. Mario 128 is a Gamecube game, and it should be shown at E3 this year. The Mario game for the Revolution is still in development, and right now Miyamoto is just using it as a tech demo so to speak. There is a story and everything, but the game is far from finished. I think everyone will be very impressed by it.  



There is too much info here for me to get into at the moment. An interesting thing though is the mention of the controller getting hot as an affect of the toxins in Retro's FPS. Could this mean that the control will be able to play with your senses? I remember hearing the rumor about that a while back during the "touching is good, but feeling is better" rant of rumors.
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« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2005, 06:19:30 AM »
A bit too much in detail to be fully believable, but it's still very entertaining...
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« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2005, 06:33:08 AM »
This is just a guy playing with you all.  What guy is going to work for Sega and risk his job by posting crap like this on the internet?  And posting alot of it.  Where it can be traced.  What Sega employee knows everything Nintendo is doing on  their major games and what EA is doing etc.  It's all b.s.  designed to play into every Nintendo fan's desires.  

I would love it if it were true but ...it ain't.

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« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2005, 06:57:38 AM »
Yeah that stuff sounds to good to be true... Devil May Cry on Nintendo?  
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« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2005, 06:59:05 AM »
The Devil May Cry part was supposedly an "impersonator"...
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« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2005, 07:41:16 AM »
Okay now he's gone too far.  It just doesn't make any sense for him to know all this stuff.  But those ideas for the FPS and the new SSB are REALLY good and really creative.  If he's a complete imposter he should be working for a game company because he's got cool ideas.

The thing that really sounds unbelievable is Super Mario 128 and a new Mario Revolution game being different as if Nintendo could somehow release two Mario platformers so close together.  Though I suppose Nintendo might not be planning on having a new Mario title at launch.  Perhaps they feel a new FPS will be enough and Mario 128 will sell with Revolution buyers anyway because of backwards compatibility.  But what would that leave Japan?  An FPS just wouldn't sell consoles over there like it would here.  Maybe SSB would be enough for the Japanese launch?

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« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2005, 07:50:34 AM »
Well I, for one, am not going to just come out and call this guy a lier since I, like everyone else here, have no proof to support the claim.  For now, I'll take it as it is, a rumor.  I have to admit though, as others have claimed, that this is the most profesional rumor thus far.  Everything he has said is logical and believable.  Nothing is really far fetched.  

If he is to be believed then as for him knowing so much about Nintendo, he was an ex NOA employee.  I'm sure he still has freinds there that he keeps in contact with.  I'm guessing thats how he's getting so much info.  As you can tell, most of what he knows is Nintendo specific.  He knows very little on what 3rd parties are up to besides that they are playing with the hardware or developing for it.
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« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2005, 08:14:14 AM »
>_< Im not liking this, they put too much enphasis on voice recognition, and for me that sucks. There are two posibilities, Nintendo will make us spanish talkers to talk in english, which Im definately not looking forward too, or they will translate, and translations are usually done by Spain people or mexicans, and their spanish is just horrible! T_T Im now afraid of the future.
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« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2005, 08:30:06 AM »
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Well I, for one, am not going to just come out and call this guy a lier since I, like everyone else here, have no proof to support the claim.  For now, I'll take it as it is, a rumor.  I have to admit though, as others have claimed, that this is the most profesional rumor thus far.  Everything he has said is logical and believable.  Nothing is really far fetched.  

If he is to be believed then as for him knowing so much about Nintendo, he was an ex NOA employee.  I'm sure he still has freinds there that he keeps in contact with.  I'm guessing thats how he's getting so much info.  As you can tell, most of what he knows is Nintendo specific.  He knows very little on what 3rd parties are up to besides that they are playing with the hardware or developing for it.


Very true and he never stated he worked for Sega... simply that Sega was publishing the game he was currently working on. Still whenever someone goes out of their way to post this much "information" on a blog, you have to wonder what their motivations are...

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« Reply #70 on: April 27, 2005, 08:31:42 AM »
Ok.  Now I am with everyone else.  Too much BS.

Nintendo isn't going to be showing developers all there games and information to all these people.  He is at most a low end artist or programmer, because anyone else wouldn't be posting this much information.

As well he has basically said Nintendo is corporating every rumor possible into the controller.

I am sorry but the controller is not going to use:

Gyroscopes,
Pressure sensitive grips,
heat sensors (whatever that feeling stuff is called),

all in one affordable? controller?

Also, he just seems to paint the E3 show too big.  If Nintendo showed all what this guy is telling us then they would absolutely rule the entire show, but also completely de-value the Gamecube.  Nobody would care.

I call BS and just hype.


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« Reply #71 on: April 27, 2005, 08:34:00 AM »
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>_< Im not liking this, they put too much enphasis on voice recognition, and for me that sucks. There are two posibilities, Nintendo will make us spanish talkers to talk in english, which Im definately not looking forward too, or they will translate, and translations are usually done by Spain people or mexicans, and their spanish is just horrible! T_T Im now afraid of the future.


While that concern doesn't really apply to me, it is my central problem with what he is saying here. Is Nintendo really going to spend the money to intergrate voice recognition support for every major language? That seems like a rather daunting task (although I admitedly know very little about the technology in question), especially from a developers perspective.


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« Reply #72 on: April 27, 2005, 08:49:39 AM »
Hey, people, stop spoiling my fun!  We've got 3 weeks till E3 and I need to be kept entertained... >=O
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« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2005, 08:54:18 AM »
Bill:  True I was saddened by the lack of DS and Revolution rumors.  If we can continue to get entertaining tidbits like these throughout the final 3 weeks it could be fun.

Can any of the journalists that have friendly connections make some personal calls and at least varify if the claims are bogus?  I am pretty sure some body knows someone that is atleast willing to say:  "Yeah thats just junk."  Or if some of it is true:  "Wait and see you may be surprised."


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« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2005, 09:11:42 AM »
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I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3.
I think that right there gives the game away. I join everyone else in calling BS. BS I would love to believe, of course. And it's entertaining.  
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