Author Topic: Official DS Sales Thread (Read 871796 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1575 on:** March 31, 2006, 06:52:08 PM »

Yes but if you were choosing a new format to get a player for, would you take the one that does less than your current one?

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #1576 on:** April 01, 2006, 06:52:27 AM »

Discs are not the future, online delivery is, Discs at best have a place as storage mediums, but they are not the future when it comes to games, movies, etc. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are dumb moves by the industry, they're fighting over a dying market.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1577 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:31:53 AM »

It's true.

iTunes finished dominating music and they've moved on to TV shows. The complete seasons of shows not only tend to be cheaper, but you can get them FAR in advance of when you can get them on DVD, in most cases, you can buy the episode the very day after it airs.

Once the movie studios realize this trend, they'll start releasing movies on the service as well and it'll be all downhill from there.

Artimus · « **Reply #1578 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:51:39 AM »

There is no comparison between iTunes and TV DVD. One is hideous, full-screen, pay-for-stuff-that-was-free-last-night crap, the other is high quality and actually worth paying for.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #1579 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:53:09 AM »

Storage medium will always be around, because people, like me, like to have physical copies of things. Sure I can download entire seasons and tv series and store them on my hard drive, but what happens when your computer kicks the bucket, or your hard drive crashes, everything that you have downloaded is gone, and you are either S.O.L or you have to start all over again. At least with DVD or anything else, you will always have access to whatever it is... assuming of course that whatever you need to play it on still works.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1580 on:** April 01, 2006, 03:43:39 PM »

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Originally posted by: Artimus
There is no comparison between iTunes and TV DVD. One is hideous, full-screen, pay-for-stuff-that-was-free-last-night crap, the other is high quality and actually worth paying for.

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Storage medium will always be around, because people, like me, like to have physical copies of things. Sure I can download entire seasons and tv series and store them on my hard drive, but what happens when your computer kicks the bucket, or your hard drive crashes, everything that you have downloaded is gone, and you are either S.O.L or you have to start all over again. At least with DVD or anything else, you will always have access to whatever it is... assuming of course that whatever you need to play it on still works.

Hate to break it to you guys, but you've both missed the point here.

iTunes encodes every song so that it can be shared with 5 users and burned to a CD a limited number of times. After that, it can no longer be burned or shared. The media is encoded to contain the license under which it is supposed to be used.

DVDs are nothing more than data burned to a disc. Shipping millions of copies of the same bit of data inside unique boxes is highly inefficient.

DVD burners are becoming ever more common. My parents even own a DVDR connected to digital cable: they "rent" movies from comcast and record them to DVDs as they come off the TV, and they're not particularly tech-savvy people.

The point is, the online digital media distribution system is already in place for users to download the data from DVDs, special features, menus and all, and burn them to their own DVDs. I've seen burned DVD rips: they're gorgeous, as pristine as they came off the original DVD.

Most people I know, if they can't find a song on iTunes, will simply download it off Limewire or any of the other illegal methods of media theft. Movies will be no exception. I already have friends which have a "download first" rule for movies because movies in general have been so damn bad as of late that they don't want to walk out of a theater feeling fleeced any more.

Soon, movies will be like this too: even the moderately tech-savvy will be able to find them online, and as bandwidth gradually increases, the time it takes to download them diminishes, making it more and more of a possibility.

Selling DVDs from store shelves is a problem because, often, you'll wind up with excess copies of a movie which go to the bargain bin and never sell, eventually being thrown out or sold for $5, well below the price needed to cover the investment.

Imagine that you could guarantee that every copy of your movie or CD would sell. That's essentially what online media distribution is: the utmost efficient method of media distribution, both in terms of cost AND speed. As an example, Amazon will be shipping Scrubs season 3 in May. iTunes already has season 5 available for download. Movies will be up and available for the home user the day after they leave theatres, no more waiting 6 months for a movie you like to come out on DVD.

This is the future of media distribution: you download it, burn it to make your own "hard copy" and that's all there is to it.

Blu-ray and HD-DVD are fighting over the PT boats while the battleship is already pulling out of the port. Either studios can jump on board the digital distribution bandwagon or they can go down with the retail distribution ship in a tremendous display of stubbornness and idiocy.

decoyman · « **Reply #1581 on:** April 01, 2006, 04:31:43 PM »

In one sense, I agree that downloadable content will continue to become more popular, especially with broadband access becoming so widespread.

However, I think it'll be a long time before digital downloads becomes the most popular way to get a hold of your music, tv and movies. As has been said, people like having stuff that they can hold in their hands, look at, read (liner notes, etc.). Perhaps I feel this way because I'm a graphic designer, and tend to really appreciate the "whole package" you get when you buy a CD/DVD/etc. Heck, I bought a spare case from Nintendo.com for my Metroid Prime Hunters demo and printed out box art for it because it didn't feel right without a... well, a "home."

I think there's a parallel between newspapers and Internet news sites and this issue. People have been predicting that newspapers are going the way of the dodo - I mean, how could something that you have to pay for beat something that's FREE... but still, newspapers are all over the place, and will be for the foreseeable future. And again, it's because people like to have something tangible to hang on to, take with them when they go somewhere, etc.

MaryJane · « **Reply #1582 on:** April 03, 2006, 11:20:10 AM »

Celebrate good times come on. Celebration. We're gonna celebrate and have a good time. Celebration. Lik-Sang wants to ship my DS. WOOHOO! right? no! BOOHOO! my friggin card doesn't have enough credit, cuz they still haven't received my last payment that I mailed 2 days ago...

what the hell. I called them try to explain that the payment is on the way, and they said to me... ok when we receive it we'll allow the charges. ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH. anyway, at least they got it, and it'll be here soon enough, or at least as soon as the friggin post office puts a fire under their ass and gets my payment out, then the DHL guy needs to stop smoking that L pass it to me, and bring my DSL to my house. Anyone else getting their DSL soon?

MysticGohan · « **Reply #1583 on:** April 03, 2006, 11:27:05 AM »

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Originally posted by: MaryJane
Celebrate good times come on. Celebration. We're gonna celebrate and have a good time. Celebration. Lik-Sang wants to ship my DS. WOOHOO! right? no! BOOHOO! my friggin card doesn't have enough credit, cuz they still haven't received my last payment that I mailed 2 days ago... what the hell. I called them try to explain that the payment is on the way, and they said to me... ok when we receive it we'll allow the charges. ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH. anyway, at least they got it, and it'll be here soon enough, or at least as soon as the friggin post office puts a fire under their ass and gets my payment out, then the DHL guy needs to stop smoking that L pass it to me, and bring my DSL to my house. Anyone else getting their DSL soon?

Hehe I had a dirty thought there for a minute, due to BnM's lil Joke about the Meaning of DSL ( His version ) and I couldn't help but laugh "L pass it to me, and bring my DSL to my house."

:p

IceCold · « **Reply #1584 on:** April 03, 2006, 01:43:21 PM »

With the downloadable movie debate, I thought this was interesting...

Bloodworth · « **Reply #1585 on:** April 03, 2006, 03:54:42 PM »

MJ - http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=15219

MaryJane · « **Reply #1586 on:** April 03, 2006, 06:07:48 PM »

Lmao I thought it was a thread for a game, and I figured if the game was worth the weight of it's name either PGC or IGN would have something on it already and didn't bother checking, I'll be part of the Elite soon enough. I can't wait.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #1587 on:** April 03, 2006, 07:52:47 PM »

What the Hell does Canada know about anything?

IceCold · « **Reply #1588 on:** April 03, 2006, 08:44:32 PM »

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What the Hell does Canada know about anything?

It seems that not only did your fingers do the typing, they did the thinking too. I don't expect anyone with an IQ less than 63 to understand what the word "ignorant" means, but please, humour me.

That news is on several major sites; look it up if you want to. A post like that will get you nowhere, but I expect that, given how benighted you are, you're pretty pleased with yourself.

I don't often lash out like this, and even if what you wrote was a joke, it still shows how myopic you are.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1589 on:** April 03, 2006, 09:26:45 PM »

I always welcome news from America's hat. (sorry, I had to)

In all seriousness, I trust Canada's news above and beyond that of the US. In fact, I trust Canada in general more than the US. Canada has proven in many ways that it understands the intrinsic principles which ensure that the country and its people live in balance, and with the foresight to understand that, when you sack your own education budget, there's nowhere for the country to go but into the toilet.

Shame I cannot say the same of the US. In the end, we're Canada's jockstrap (and we all know what that makes Florida...).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1590 on:** April 03, 2006, 11:25:18 PM »

You know, "shipped" doesn't mean much. I'm waiting for almost a month now for the last shipment I ordered from Lik-Sang.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #1591 on:** April 04, 2006, 12:42:57 AM »

Well that all depends on the shipping you pick of course. I can't stand Lik Sang's low-end shipping, so if I order something I make sure I can track it. My package shipped out just over 24 hours ago and it is already in the area and should be here in another day.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #1592 on:** April 04, 2006, 04:21:41 AM »

Until High Speed Internet is available to the majority of the US, Downloading will still just be a more glorified niche. There are problems with downloading, I see them from time to time. When a download is complete, you go to open what you just downloaded and find out that the file is corrupted and you have to download again. Being on dialup, because High Speed is not available in my area unless I want to pay arms and legs for it to be brought back to my house (and I am not exaggerating, it would be expensive because I live far back off the road, deep in the woods.) having to download something large is time consuming, and having to do it twice or more is annoying, so being able to buy something in a store is still the way for me. It may cost more, but I will be less aggravated, and that is worth it to me.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #1593 on:** April 04, 2006, 05:12:15 AM »

Wow relax guy, it's just a joke. Now excuse me while I look up myopic.

I have excellent vision it turns out (20/10), but thanks for your concern.

jasonditz · « **Reply #1594 on:** April 04, 2006, 08:42:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Until High Speed Internet is available to the majority of the US, Downloading will still just be a more glorified niche. There are problems with downloading, I see them from time to time. When a download is complete, you go to open what you just downloaded and find out that the file is corrupted and you have to download again. Being on dialup, because High Speed is not available in my area unless I want to pay arms and legs for it to be brought back to my house (and I am not exaggerating, it would be expensive because I live far back off the road, deep in the woods.) having to download something large is time consuming, and having to do it twice or more is annoying, so being able to buy something in a store is still the way for me. It may cost more, but I will be less aggravated, and that is worth it to me.

Umm... it is available in the vast majority of the US. Very few of the almost 300 million of us actually live in the woods.

But seriously, can you not get satellite access or anything? I was under the impression that they covered virtually the entire lower 48.

MaryJane · « **Reply #1595 on:** April 04, 2006, 01:08:37 PM »

same here everybody I know, (I know at least one person in each of the eastern border states hooray for me! and some in pennsylvania, ohio, and michigan, and two in cali am I special or what?) has some form of broadband internet service, cable, dsl, or satellite, one lucky friggin bum has T1 cuz his daddy is daddy bigbanks.
but it is all over the place.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #1596 on:** April 04, 2006, 03:05:51 PM »

yeah the broadband verses dial up debate is so irrelevant now because the few people who dont have broadband only dont have it because they dont look into it.

You can get satelite internet anywhere and dsl is over the phone lines so if you have dial up you can get dsl. try contacting yahoo sbc or one of the national providers dont ask aol or any of the stupid local phone companies cuz they dont usualy know crap about anything. theres also wireless cable thatc an also provide high speed internet so unless you live deep in the woods up in the mountains where theres not even phone lines and radio signals you can get dsl or cable internet some way some how. Sure you might have to pay somewhere close to 34 dollars a month for it but its more than worth it to get rid of dial up, not just due to speed but reliablity and its always on so you dont have to worry about missing phone calls.

I have friends who live down in the snake river canyon who cant get cell service or local radio and who are out of city limits and no cable whoc an still get dsl.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #1597 on:** April 04, 2006, 07:40:36 PM »

Even if you have a clear southern view, like we have here, doesn't mean squat. We tried, but were told that the satelitte we would have to use is not in operation yet, to call back later. Screw that. DSL is not available in my area, have been on a waiting list for a few years now, tired of waiting. And while cable is more or less available, it would cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars to bring it back to the house because our driveway is rather long, it's at least a 10-15 minute normal walk speed, one way to the mailbox, so I usually drive to get the mail. It would cost at least 1,000.00+ just to install. Too much to spend, even if it's a one time expense.

I still think that the majority of America is not on high speed. It is mainly in the most populated area's and then an over flow or whatever into surrounding areas. There are still a lot of people that don't have access yet. And the costs are also taken into account. Just because you have the service available, doesn't mean you can afford it. the costs have come down, but some people just can't afford even 30.00 a month or even a little less.

And I do not live in a small isolated town. I may live in the woods, but I am freaking 5 miles away from everything I need to get too, stores hospitals, schools.

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #1598 on:** April 04, 2006, 07:54:22 PM »

He's right Broadband penetration in the US is still pretty poor, only 15th in the world.

Artimus · « **Reply #1599 on:** April 04, 2006, 08:21:01 PM »

The issue isn't what is overall broadband penetration, but what is broadband pentration amongst the target audience. I would say that at least 50% of console owners (including if Rev becomes more mainstream) will have Broadband, which is definitely NOT a niche. I'd imagine that much more like 75% of GameCube owners have it.

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