Author Topic: Silicon Knights still working on games for GC (Read 59165 times)

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #125 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:10:37 PM »

I want to know why they have to fly all the way over there to have an interview.

Can't they just call him?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #126 on:** February 27, 2005, 01:15:03 PM »

They probably want to throw a party or something and get free junk.

Stimutacs Addict · « **Reply #127 on:** February 28, 2005, 05:29:33 PM »

OH JEBUS FREEEEEKING KHRhyst

you're a marked man, Matt Cassanahasapeemapetilon

Rancid Planet · « **Reply #128 on:** March 02, 2005, 07:51:32 PM »

I wonder how that interview will eventually come off?

Savior · « **Reply #129 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:29:07 PM »

Its up at IGN...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #130 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:39:36 PM »

SK is in the business of increasing IGNCuub's online traffic, not making games.

Savior · « **Reply #131 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:45:18 PM »

Bla Bla Bla Nintendo is soo cool, Bla Bla Bla we like Nintendo, we share things bla bla bla........

Different approaches.... SK needs to be bigger... Differing Ideas.

Nintendo wants to revitalize Japan, and make Smaller Simpler games...

Nothing new so far.

We both liked ED, bla bla... Nintendo is soo awesome... we wanted to work together, bla bla. We can still be friends...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #132 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:46:20 PM »

What the hell? This is what we waited for?

Couldn't he have just sent a press release? That interview said exactly nothing we didn't already know.

And no subtitles or transcript... good, I needed another reason to hate IGN.

Famicom · « **Reply #133 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:48:57 PM »

Well it really didn't say much that hasn't been said already. From what I could infer, Nintendo said "we want smaller" and SK said "we want bigger", and they just split. Why Nintendo didn't just let SK grow big on their own I don't know, but I hope they will continue to support Nintendo consoles in the future (and from his wording about Sega I'm guessing they are).

Though I find it ironic that a few months after the split Nintendo debut's what's slated to be their largest game yet, the new Zelda.

Savior · « **Reply #134 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:49:17 PM »

Yeah it was really disapointing and pointless..... and it feels like hes not telling the whole story... because from his comments, it sounds like he still works for Nintendo.

We love Nintendo bla bla bla... If you did youd still work for them Dennis.

odifiend · « **Reply #135 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:50:51 PM »

"We can still be friends, but we're just going in different directions right now," - Dyack

When a guy says something like this, it is never good for the relationship... So the break was as simple as the speculation, that the companies philosophies and focis just didn't mesh. I hope SK the best, they definitely have talent - and I hope Nintendo can cater to enough to everyone so we can score some SK stuff on the Revolution.

MaleficentOgre · « **Reply #136 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:55:08 PM »

so I should stop downloading this now? is it totally useless.

Savior · « **Reply #137 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:57:16 PM »

Well, im conflicted, cause while Dennis might say Nintendo wants "simple" games... Zelda and Metroid Prime aint simple...

but at the same time, i slightly worry cause i tend to agree a heck of alot more with his philosophy on gaming than the simple thing...

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #138 on:** May 11, 2005, 07:59:42 PM »

No offense to Denis, but the whole interview is a half-truth. He's hiding something and covering it up with vague equivocal try-to-please-everybody bullcrap that in no way is justification for a business decision. I think he's under an agreement to not say anything.

If everything is really as simple as he makes it sound, why all the secrecy and hush-hush and dramatic unveilings of the same slightly reworded crap we've been hearing since it all started?

Savior · « **Reply #139 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:02:36 PM »

PaLaDin gets a cookie!

I agree 110 percent....

Wonder if Dennis still lurks here?

odifiend · « **Reply #140 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:09:10 PM »

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
No offense to Denis, but the whole interview is a half-truth. He's hiding something and covering it up with vague equivocal try-to-please-everybody bullcrap that in no way is justification for a business decision. I think he's under an agreement to not say anything.

He's president of a video game company that hasn't quite made it yet, he can't be as arrogant as a lot of leaders without it being a detriment to the company. I don't quite understand how different business focus is not a justifiable business decision.
Dyack praising Nintendo like he is, is his way of saying the break has nothing to do with the way the company is run, it is just business.
EDIT: Could the delay have been due to SK still being under second party contract with Nintendo? Are there second party contracts?

Mario · « **Reply #141 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:10:48 PM »

Small simple games? Well.. I sort of understand what he's saying, but it sounds like what he's trying NOT to say is that Silicon Knights suck at creating gameplay. That is why they are different to Nintendo.

Though The Legend of Zelda throws his whole theory out the window.

"You see... nintendo make games, easy to access and very simple now... we like to make movies and stories, and call them games! and maybe slap a bit of gameplay in for those gamers out there, or steal gameplay from another game, but that doesn't matter because our games focus on the story and characters!"

But then, if they liked Nintendo THAT MUCH, why on earth did they "split"? Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing for them to stay? Variety! It's not like they'd have to collaborate with Nintendo for every part of every game ever. Unless Nintendo said "we don't want your games on our console, piss off" I don't think Silicon Knights will stop developing games exclusively for Nintendo.

Savior · « **Reply #142 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:11:42 PM »

Someone else suggested its a $$$ in the end...

SK wanted more money to expand, and Nintendo noting the sales of ED and MGS Twin Snakes balked... so SK decided to look elsewhere...

That sounds alot more logical than the Philosophies junk....

odifiend · « **Reply #143 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:14:24 PM »

Well they actually coincide since SK wants to expand to make more complex games.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #144 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:15:18 PM »

Let me clarify... it's not bullcrap because he tries to please everybody... they're two independent coincident characteristics of the interview.

He says Nintendo wants smaller games while Zelda and Pokemon XD are looking him in the face (which you may not be anticipating, but you have to at least admit has its work cut out for it). Sorry Denis, I don't buy it.

Differing philosophies is not justification for a business decision in and of itself. There has to be concrete examples of occasions where their philosophies differed. SK was still with Nintendo when it started talking about simplicity. Something else drove them apart.

The way Denis is talking, I'm all but convinced that Nintendo just wasn't giving them enough money to do what they wanted. The budget wasn't big enough. That's all I can think of... it would explain why he's not going into further detail.

Oops, Savior posted the exact same thing while I was writing that out.

And I'll take that cookie... if you find any more of them, you would do well to return them to my cookie jar, from whence they undoubtedly came.

Savior · « **Reply #145 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:17:43 PM »

I could probably dig up some past Dennis posts/interviews... but he used to say his ideas on game philosophy were similar to Nitendos when they were together back in the day

odifiend · « **Reply #146 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:23:18 PM »

When did Nintendo start talking simplicity? Was it more than a year ago? And when did SK announce this?
Possibly it is all interconnected. Nintendo may have decreased SK's budget because simple is cheaper and will often sell better than what SK has cooked up in the past.

P.S. I have this condition called fed-up-with-the-same-game-itis so currently it is impossible for me to anticipate a pokemon game.

EDIT: Fixing Freudian slips.

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #147 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:31:32 PM »

Either I'm getting senile or it was definitely more than a year ago. It was near the beginning of Iwata's reign, unless I'm mistaken. I remember discussions specifically about how Retro and SK were proof that Nintendo wasn't being simple in all its games.

"P.S. I have this condition called fed-up-with-the-same-game-itis so currently it is impossible for me to anticipate a pokemon game."

Yeah... but like I said, you still have to admit that's going to be anything but a small or simple game. Does not compute.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #148 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:41:07 PM »

"Different approaches.... SK needs to be bigger... Differing Ideas. Nintendo wants to revitalize Japan, and make Smaller Simpler games..."

Well if that's true it's a justifiable reason to leave. I'm not very keen on Nintendo going towards "simple" games. If I was a developer working with Nintendo and they told me I had to make stuff like Kirby Air Ride I'd leave too.

Though we still don't know enough. Why couldn't Nintendo make their simple games while Silicon Knights makes the games they still want to? Is Nintendo telling them they CAN'T make the games they want to make? Is SK just using this as an excuse to jump ship? We need more details. Realistically we'll probably get them at E3 when (or if; who knows?) we see some of the Revolution. We'll get an idea of where Nintendo's headed there and then we'll know for sure if SK and Nintendo are on different pages.

I wouldn't say that Metroid Prime and the new Zelda is good enough evidence to suggest that Nintendo isn't focusing on simpler games. That's not a change they would make on the Gamecube. The Cube userbase is established and already expects certain things. No one bought a Cube for games like Electroplankton so they can't focus on stuff like that because no one will buy them. With the Rev they're starting off fresh so they could potentially be waiting for a new console to debut this new focus.

Hell, just look at the DS. I bought the GBA for games like Metroid Fusion, Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Fire Emblem, and The Minish Cap. There's nothing like that currently on the DS. There's some stuff like that in the pipeline but there's nothing here yet. You could say that Nintendo is focusing on simpler games on the DS than they did on the GBA. So it's entirely possible the Rev could have a similar focus.

This is what I feared would be the reason for SK's departure. When we first heard they were leaving I figured they saw what Nintendo's cooking for the Rev and didn't like what they saw so they left. I'm hoping that's not really the case and they're just trying to use Nintendo's recent simple games as a scapegoat so they don't look like a bunch of hypocrites.

Savior · « **Reply #149 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:48:32 PM »

The DS has both simple and complex games... Prime Hunters and Elektroplankton....

See the DS is proof to me at least that theres room for both.

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