Author Topic: Winter Mafia Day 2 (Read 15304 times)

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #25 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:12:00 AM »

Somebody beat me too it so I edited my post to shorten it, but yes Khush avoided death only because he was the first voter for Darkheart, and therefore avoided the blast. I was going to make it a random 3 people. But thought that the Bomber role helped catch people in bandwagons...and punish the sheep basically.

Which is exactly what happened.

stevey · « **Reply #26 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:17:12 AM »

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The Mafia choose not to hit tonight to perform an investigation.

Why is everyone over looking this? The mafia only would have chose not to kill just to find out someone's role if that they really want to kill someone but are afraid of the bomber or they would've kill someone else and the only person that could've scared the mafia like this was khush.

So as much as I hate the idiot he's not mafia........

vudu · « **Reply #27 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:22:00 AM »

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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
This thread

Thanks! I somehow missed that thread.

So there's only three Mafia members (including the Godfather)? If one's already dead that means they're down to two.

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So as much as I hate [Khush] he's not mafia........

Good point, but you're forgetting one fact that (while not incriminating) could paint a slightly different picture. With only three mafia members the mafia has to play it real safe until the bomber blows up. This means avoiding bandwagons that could backfire (if the target turned out to be the bomber). So why would thatguy take place in the bandwagon against Darkheart? The only explanation I can come up with is because he wanted to save the person with the second most votes--Khush.

VOTE KHUSH

stevey · « **Reply #28 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:36:17 AM »

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fact that (while not incriminating) could paint a slightly different picture. With only three mafia members the mafia has to play it real safe until the bomber blows up. This means avoiding bandwagons that could backfire (if the target turned out to be the bomber). So why would thatguy take place in the bandwagon against Darkheart? The only explanation I can come up with is because he wanted to save the person with the second most votes--Khush.

so the forfeit every other vote and thus double~ the # of day the game will last and that will in turn double the # of vote and # killer hits thus quadrupling the possibility's that mafia could die out in the game. Great logic there, instead of play Russian roulette with one bullet lets play it with all but 1 bullet that be saver.

Also not voting is suicide for mafia members

Stogi · « **Reply #29 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:44:08 AM »

Damn it stevey...

I took all that time pulling up numbers to show vudu his logic was off, and you beat me to it.

vudu · « **Reply #30 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:46:33 AM »

I have no idea what you're trying to say. I think you might be arguing that Khush can't be mafia because the mafia investigated last night instead of performing a hit, but honestly the two have nothing to do with each other. (This next part is all theoretical/speculation, but I'm going to write it as if it were fact otherwise it'll be too confusing.) The mafia didn't want to perform a hit last night because they were afraid of selecting the bomber and therefore losing one of their own members. It wasn't known that Darkheart was the bomber until this morning, so the fact that he got voted out yesterday didn't come into play. However, whether Khush is or is not mafia has nothing to do with this--as long as the bomber's role wasn't known the mafia would be at risk if they performed a hit.

Stogi · « **Reply #31 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:50:59 AM »

What?!

We all knew that DarkHeart was the Bomber! hahaha

He admitted so, but covered up his tracks later on. If Mafia are suppose to communicate to survive, why wouldn't they have simply told Khush to change his vote?

vudu · « **Reply #32 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:54:14 AM »

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Then again vudu; at the time that thatguy voted there were already 2 other votes for darkheart (bustin; wandering) bringing the total to 3-2 DH-Khush. Then stevey unvoted making it 3-1. Then more votes made it 4-2 which became 6-2, then DH voted for Khush making it 6-3. Then people started pulling out in case the DH was the bomber making it 4-3.

So your logic is flawed. He was in the lead the entire time. Thatguy just got screwed over for not bailing out like every else did.

You said it yourself, when thatguy voted for Darkheart the vote was tied at 2:2. So he was clearly picking a side at that point. So he obviously wanted to save Khush. (I don't know whether it was because Khush is mafia or just because thatguy believed Khush was the brother.)

vudu · « **Reply #33 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:56:02 AM »

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We all knew that DarkHeart was the Bomber! hahaha

He admitted so, but covered up his tracks later on.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that until Spak said so in the Dead Thread. Obviously at least 3 other people didn't know that fact either or no one would have gotten blown up last night.

EDIT: Looking at the edit time stamp, darkheart only had his incriminating post there for an hour and ten minutes. In that time only Pale posted. Most other people probably didn't even see the post.

bustin98 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:58:22 AM »

Eh, thatguy had no idea who the bomber was, even though Darkheart came out and said he was the bomber. Plus, thatguy said he was going out on vacation so even if there was a heads up he couldn't change the vote as he was no where near a computer, supposedly.

That's my take.

As far as Khush, there seems to be some traditions being played in this game. I took Khush's vote as part of that history. I'm not reading anything into it.

No one has talked to me so I'm in the dark here. I'm going to hop on the unofficial bandwagon and unvote Mario.

Stogi · « **Reply #35 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:59:49 AM »

Interesting....

I'm going to have to see when exactly thatguy voted and the time that stevey defected.

EDIT: So I checked it. And I should of been more precise when pulling up numbers.

Stevey DEFECTED at Mon December 17, 2007 at 7:27 AM by stevey
Thatguy VOTED at Mon December 17, 2007 at 7:01 PM by thatguy

So your case falls apart.

At the time that Thatguy voted, it was 2-1 DH to Khush. Thatguy's vote made it 3-1.

DOUBLE EDIT: Whoops, can't do math.

vudu · « **Reply #36 on:** December 18, 2007, 09:21:56 AM »

Alright, well, it was a nice theory, wasn't it?

ShyGuy · « **Reply #37 on:** December 18, 2007, 09:33:42 AM »

I'm confused, would someone just tell me who the badguy is?

Stogi · « **Reply #38 on:** December 18, 2007, 09:48:15 AM »

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Alright, well, it was a nice theory, wasn't it?

I must admit, it was.

nickmitch · « **Reply #39 on:** December 18, 2007, 10:02:40 AM »

I'm going to distrust Pale here and UN-VOTE Stevey.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #40 on:** December 18, 2007, 10:12:11 AM »

5:00PM Midday Totals.

So it is 5:00pm, what are the totals so far?

Khush 3
Stevey 3
Mario 2

Pretty even voting if you ask me. Remember, there is NO death for not voting, but I will be watching who has voted and not...and if people do not vote several days in a row I will institute a vote every other day rule.

Also I have not received any night actions yet, so if you have a role please remember to them to me as quickly as possible. If you are someone that likes to see the end results before making a decision that is ok too, I will keep the night actions open awhile after polls close.

Mario · « **Reply #41 on:** December 18, 2007, 11:01:50 AM »

I'm on 3. For absolutely no reason at all. Voting for Khush is all that stands out. What's obvious so far is that

1) Khush is mafia
2) Kashogi, oohhboy and bustin98 are helping him out, knowingly or not

I want to help myself live but voting out stevey just seems a bit random and stupid to me, he could be the doctor or something. I think Kashogi is way more suspicious. Vote stevey until someone else agrees to start a Kashogi or bustin98 bandwagon. Of course, there could be a completely different side to this whole thing, the mafia could just be very quiet, or maybe the stevey bandwagon is the one that involves helping Khush... then there's the 1% chance that Khush isn't mafia.

stevey · « **Reply #42 on:** December 18, 2007, 11:53:50 AM »

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See ok, it's a big conspiracy but here is how the whole Khush thing is.

Khush is the mafia Godfather. He devised an elaborate plan with the bomber who has, despite his claims in the dead thread, obviously allied with the the mafia. I don't know how they found each other, but let's not forget that Khush is very cunning and intelligent.
Basically he called on a vote for darkheart, a player no one would soon be leaping to the defence too as he's not the most prominent. Almost immediately, fellow mafia member that guy joins the bandwagon and the trap is set. Soon innocent townies join and their fate is sealed. Khush claims to be the Brother, a claim no one can refute without looking like an opportunist ("nah uh, I'm the brother, protect me!") and draws the protection of the doctor, this in turn sets the Killer off to target another random. With at least 4 people confirmed dead and the high possibility of the killer making 5, the mafia had no need to kill and instead used the time to gather valuable information.

First, If the mafia knew who the bomber was why the hell would they not kill??? They find out who the victim is and kill him at the same time. The bomber is the only reason not to. Second, going "I'm the brother" would tip of 2 townie who he is, and would screw him when they do die.

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But why take out a fellow mafia member? Obviously the first choice scenario was to have enough townies join that neither mobster would be harmed by the bomber, but earlier that guy let slip that he wouldn't be around for the next few days anyway. Clearly he was expendable. Not to mention being partially responsible for the death of a mafia member makes him appear to be clean. Remember that I tried a similar tactic to success in the January mafia when I led a bandwagon against a teammate and used it as the crux of my defence for the remainder of the game until I ultimately lost in the final day.

We must stop the treacherous Khushrenada now! If not, SOONER. In any case he led to the death of the vigilante and that's unforgivable on it's own.

yah, because a 3 goon mafia really has people to spare and voting the bomber really make the mafia godfather look innocent *roles eye*

There has been a good reason to vote khush yet,

Vote mario

Khushrenada · « **Reply #43 on:** December 18, 2007, 12:53:34 PM »

Oh lordy. I go away for the day and find out everyone is after me over the vote. For the record, I'd like to clear up some things.

I'm not mafia.

That's about the crux of the matter. There are a whole bunch of theories flying about that I somehow planned the Darkheart vote to kill townie members. What? So, on the first day, I not only learn the identity of the bomber but I make sure the vigilante and other innocent townies all vote for him to die? Look, I recognize people think alot of me but even this is a stretch.

Second, I never went to anyone and told them to vote Darkheart. Everyone who voted did it on their own. In fact, some people even asked me if I had a reason why I was voting Darkheart. I told them no. It was just instinct. Those people didn't vote for Darkheart because of that. If I was trying to get innocent townies killed, don't you think I would have given them a better reason to vote for the bomber and therefore keep a mafia partner from dying? After all, once they found out I was lying, they'd be dead from the bomber. If I had known Darkheart was the bomber, I would have changed my vote. I nearly died from that vote. I wouldn't take that risk.

People seem eager to vote for me and I'm sure it's some mafia members eager to take me out.

I think ThePerm might be mafia. His vote against me was strange. But with me in the lead for voting, I'm going to follow up my second choice. Vote Mario. He's been throwing accusations heavily at me. I pointed it out yesterday and I'm going to act on it today.

And I don't know what is with the stevey votes. As far as I'm concerned, stevey hasn't done anything suspicious. I would encourage people to vote for Mario instead.

18 Days · « **Reply #44 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:10:58 PM »

vote stevey

ThePerm · « **Reply #45 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:28:55 PM »

vote athran zala

18 Days · « **Reply #46 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:34:32 PM »

what are you doing?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #47 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:51:02 PM »

8:47 Totals are these:

Stevey 5
Mario 5
Athun Zala 1

If there is a tie, then polls will be open for 5-10 more minutes to see if anybody wants to change their vote, or add their vote. Afterwards polls will be closed, and if the tie remains then their will be two deaths by vote. Also, during the 5-10 minutes extra time...I will count all vote changes, not just the first to break the tie, so if it still remains at a tie, then both die still.

18 Days · « **Reply #48 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:54:50 PM »

QUICK PERM VOTE FOR STEVEY

bustin98 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 18, 2007, 02:01:44 PM »

Forget what I said.

Vote TVMan

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