Author Topic: DS Titles - Official (Read 45383 times)

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #50 on:** May 19, 2004, 03:58:47 PM »

I totally agree with you Ian but i think that portables will one day take over consoles.

Think about it if they were able to create a portable that can do a consoles job then the portable systems would replace consoles altogether and of course the portable could just connect to a tv, then that would replace the consoles for sure.

As for the DS, PSP is really the system that is obsolette. Graphics or not its like voting for a president by his looks over his smarts. Imagine having some blonde haired, big chested, and dumb as a brick as our president. We would all call for a recall in like .000001 seconds!!!!!

odifiend · « **Reply #51 on:** May 19, 2004, 04:50:26 PM »

I just don't see portables taking over until portable fusion is invented too. Batteries limit a portables capabilities too much, another problem that the PSP will likely have. On top of compounding a game, you have to make it so it efficiently uses the battery (for disc media anyway).

Ian Sane · « **Reply #52 on:** May 19, 2004, 05:15:32 PM »

"Think about it if they were able to create a portable that can do a consoles job then the portable systems would replace consoles altogether and of course the portable could just connect to a tv, then that would replace the consoles for sure."

Only if they allowed you to hook three other controllers to it. One can use a laptop as a home computer yet PCs are still sold. A discman can be hooked up to a sound system but a lot of people still buy non-portable CD players. I think it would be ideal marketing to have two different models. Plus the portable would probably cost more because of the added screen.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #53 on:** May 22, 2004, 11:27:31 AM »

Not sure if any of you have seen this hilarious Majesco quote from Kevin Ray, chief technology officer:

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DS is deceptively amazing. ... Touch screen is a very blank canvas for a game designer to be able to design their own input features. ... DS really could be a killer to PSP. ... I really think the Nintendo DS could kick the crap out of Sony PSP.

joeamis · « **Reply #54 on:** May 22, 2004, 12:51:08 PM »

That is pretty funny considering Majesco just got the official license for GBA SP headphones and their only cash cow is GBA Video which they milk the $hit out of. While everything else they have done is pure cr@p. So yea considering their loving Nintendo right now, that is quite humorous. I do think the DS could kill PSP though, but I bet both will target a different demographic and have their own markets.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #55 on:** May 22, 2004, 06:06:17 PM »

Ian, i didnt even think about the controllers issue.

You got me there.

Maybe one day Wireless connections ie DS 100ft lan could just replace the need for controllers, then again i don't think people would be happy about buying the system in order to have a 2nd or 3rd let alone 4th controller, lol.

So in other words i think your words (Ian) has shut me up for now, lol.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #56 on:** May 22, 2004, 06:21:44 PM »

Theoretically if you think about it, the 'portable console' could have wireless 4 player controller support ie. Bluetooth Wavebird.

You buy the system as a stand alone handheld w/ a tv-out option then you buy 4 seperate wireless controllers all on different switchable frequencies. Hook it up to the TV, sit back and relax just as if it was a regular console. But of course you're also gonna need some kind of AC/DC in to power the unit, something small like the plug for a nokia phone.

As far as sound goes, well you could use the standard headphone jack for basic stereo/mono output and I'm sure they could modify that same port to support 5.1 - 7.1 sound if need be.

I can picture it already, the future is 'The Handheld Console' !!

Hybrid Hunter · « **Reply #57 on:** May 24, 2004, 04:39:03 AM »

Future handheld console!
That would be amazing, makes you wonder if the Revolution could be like that.

I hope Nintendo markets the DS like crazy, showing off all the neat features, it would get peoples attentions pretty well.

boggy b · « **Reply #58 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:48:11 AM »

Personally, I sit almost exactly on the fence, but with a slight lean towards PSP.

The PSP, IMO, is a far sleeker and better looking design. Also, contrary to what most people seem to think, it's pretty small (slightly shorter, but about 20mm longer than the original GBA (about the same size as the GBA-SP when fully flipped open). The screen is great; it's big, it's got great contrast, and it's high resolution for the size. The graphics are fantastic, it's got a big storage on the UMD and it's got WiFi capabilities as well as numerous others. On the other hand, we <B>still</B> don't know how long the battery will last (Sony said 2.5 hours, 8 hours, and 10 hours, all in the same sentence!) and the price could be a major sticking point.

The DS, IMO, is downright ugly in comparison. It looks cheap and tacky, like some stupid personal organiser you can buy for $5 with a little 'Made in Taiwan' stamp and no brand name. I think Nintendo REALLY ought to go back to the drawing board because I can see them putting off lots of style-concious people who want a handheld as a fashion accesory more than a gaming machine. The graphics are decent enough for a handheld, though they're well behind PSP's, and the dual screens has some really good possibilities. The WiFi seems to be taken to a greater level than PSP's (or they're just flaunting it more; one of the two), and being an instant messenger is cool too. On the downside, I can see the stylus being really REALLY annoying on such a tiny screen, and 3D games are gonna seem like hell without analogue.

But, despite which one I eventually plump for, they're both bound to be great. The handheld market NEEDS competition, because as the PSP proves Nintendo have been holding it back on a technological level.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #59 on:** May 24, 2004, 09:21:31 AM »

I've heard rumors that Sony stated the PSP is a bit fragile and should not be dropped. I wonder if they take bets on the return rate of the thing?

Nintendo held back, because currently batteries can't support that much processing power and he PSP seems to prove it. Most of the DS' critics have never used the device, almost everybody who used it was blown away and the hands-on articles never complained about the controls, graphics or originality of the device (except for the shoulder buttons). If you criticize its graphic, try watching videos of Sonic DS or Metroid Prime:Hunters. On small screenshots you may think they're just N64 quality, but in a fullscreen video you'll soon realize the graphics are a LOT better.

joeamis · « **Reply #60 on:** May 24, 2004, 06:59:17 PM »

Another reason I think Nintendo held back was because of development time and costs required for portable games. They are really the only company that has successfully supported both a console and portable (Sega to a much lesser degree), so they had to make it as easy as possible for them. Sure Nintendo could have released a portable more powerful than the GBA when it released at the time and still had the batteries be reasonable, especially if they included rechargeables like SP but making it comparable to SNES quality was the best decision because they were already familiar with developing for hardware at those specs and they could do remakes and ports of SNES titles as they have. I think that's the reason why everyone of their portables (minus the doomed Vboy) has basically had equivalent specs to everyone of their home consoles. It's really smart of them.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #61 on:** May 24, 2004, 08:27:09 PM »

I wanted to say that exact same things as u joeamis.

I'd just like to add that the industry's consumers would most likely buy a portable over a console if he or she knew that the portable was just as good as the console. So in order to have 2 seperate product lines there must be a reason to own both.

So in other words if the portable and the console were almost identical a consumer would likely not purchase both knowing that he or she is getting the same product only its a portable. There simply needs to be a reason to own both or else it is a bad company decision.

In the case of The GBA consumers knew that the portable was like a SNES except portable, fast pick up and play, CHEAPER, and would have lots of old school classics. All of which was not provided on a console.

So i guess in a way I think GBA users are more hardcore gamers then any other console owner, IMO.

kennyb27 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 25, 2004, 05:25:29 AM »

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because as the PSP proves Nintendo have been holding it back on a technological level.

I hardly think Nintendo was "holding back" simply because there was no competition. I think Nintendo wanted to keep the avenue of 2D gaming, almost a retro look, open. I think the PSP is the opposite of what Nintendo has been going for with their portable systems. Maybe that's why Nintendo has dubbed the more powerful DS the "third pillar." Maybe they will keep the old-school style with their next GB. But, overall, I don't think Nintendo was "holding back" to slight the consumer in any way.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #63 on:** May 25, 2004, 09:47:29 PM »

think about it if it costs $200(DS)-$400(PSP) for a 3-d portable in the near present time, then think what it would cost when the original Gameboy Advance came out.

1. It would be too costy.
2. Production time would be long.
3. Less profit for Developers, due to console game competition, and Production time.
4. Risky business model.

If GBA was 64 like when it released we could probably paid $300-$500, sure Nintendo could have lowered the sale price and take a big hit like Microsoft and its Xbox but then again why would they need to do that and plus that is plain out a dumb business decision.

Just look what happend to Game Gear, Ngage, etc. They were all a bit before there time as goes to the PSP, its just not Sony's right time to get in the portable market. What Sony should have done was to wait for LCD/TFT screens to go down in price, Bigger Battery, and get a head start or match release dates with Nintendo in all regions.

Blackknight131 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 25, 2004, 10:58:14 PM »

Nintendo, traditionally, considers hard-ware loss something of a no-no. Altho the latest news suggests this may change with the DS and its suddenly more expensive screens (c'mon Sharp)

Gawd, I want to know the price SONY will set for the PSP...anything less than $299 would be unreal. Im looking forward to the reports on exactly how much of a loss per unit they are going to take...more hardware changes are a distinct possibility too: theyve already like tripled the RAM, wonder if they'll galvanize the battery as well.

-Blackknight131

KDR_11k · « **Reply #65 on:** May 26, 2004, 12:49:53 AM »

How would you have improved the GBA? Making it more powerful is pointless unless you're going 3d (since there's only so much you can do with 2d graphics, no matter how powerful). And 3d looks really ugly on a device that isn't significantly faster (read: eats more power, at least back when the GBA was released). Also, 3d complicates the controls. That means they'd have to throw a lot more butons and maybe a stick on the GBA because people would complain about not having enough buttons for MGS or something.

Mario · « **Reply #66 on:** May 26, 2004, 06:46:12 PM »

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news_story.php(que)id=105169

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17:32 A recent comment from SCE president and father of PlayStation Ken Kutaragi that: "The place I'm imagining for use of the system [PSP] is the home. People don't play games while walking around," has left the world a tad non-plussed.

Not enough battery life to take out of the house with?

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #67 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:23:43 PM »

Has he lost his mind. Whats the point of a portable system if its for home use? Sounds like he's conceding defeat to me.

Darc Requiem

Ian Sane · « **Reply #68 on:** May 26, 2004, 07:30:05 PM »

If the PSP is designed for home use and has a lot of the same games as the PS2 why wouldn't I just buy a f*cking PS2?

"People don't play games while walking around."

Yeah I guess none of the millions of GBA owners play their games on the go. Did Sony hire the same market analyst as Nokia?

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #69 on:** May 26, 2004, 09:40:46 PM »

Well thats funny.

When i went to the PSP area at E3, when i asked the sony rep about the battery he told me 10hrs gameplay, 8hours music, 2 hours movies and i told him that seems awfully low. He then replied "youd think so but u can recharge the battery, and u can charge and play at the same time." To me it seemed that was his only rebutal, and it seemed he thought it was a postive one that would magically make me think wow PSP is GREAT!

jasonditz · « **Reply #70 on:** May 26, 2004, 09:56:31 PM »

yeah... the first time someone tries to play a 2 and a half hour movie on a fully charged battery and it craps out near the end its going right into someone's "ignore" drawer.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #71 on:** May 26, 2004, 10:27:17 PM »

Eh, Shaolin, I doubt you can get more game than MP3 time unless the game consisted only of a black screen.

Blackknight131 · « **Reply #72 on:** May 27, 2004, 09:05:43 AM »

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Eh, Shaolin, I doubt you can get more game than MP3 time unless the game consisted only of a black screen.

Ive been thinking about that too...I just instinctively figured that game applications would surely suck more juice overall than music apps...I mean, you got the big, bright n' beautiful screen, you have to power the UMD drive, and ya have to feed da need for the monster processor.
I think that if playing music off a UMD then certainly the drive would be used more than in say, most games....however does that alone equate to more juice drained?
Can anyone with some kind of experience or knowledge enlighten me on this?

And I wonder if SONY is frantically working on augmenting the battery in some way. It seems to be one of the top two fallacies of the PSP.
The other, of course, being that it perhaps mimicks the PS2 a little TOO closely...

-Blackknight131

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #73 on:** May 27, 2004, 10:30:44 AM »

First off you are not gonna be playing mp3's off f any UMD unless you want Sony picking your songs for you and you paying for random mixes, UMD is not gonna be writable, you would be using the memory stick. Since the memory stick has no moving parts and you only need the screen temporarily to see what song you are currently picking/playing then you should use the least amount of power while playing music (how much processing power does it take to decode mp3's?)

The numbers I have heard for the PSP are:

2.5 hrs. - movies (disc is always spinning)
4-6 hrs. - games (depends on how much streaming is used in game)
10 hrs. - music (no disc use at all & very low processor usage)

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #74 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:34:24 AM »

I was just stating what the sony rep told me, plus ive heard the same at some other sites.

On the other hand now that u mention it, that doesn't seem right at all. Even if u can listen to Mp3's for 10hrs that is kinda short for a Mp3 player and if that is short for an Mp3 player then the gameplay surely will suck alot more battery.

It really doesn't make any sense at all, I'm gonna laugh if the PSP only last 4-6hrs for gameplay, if the DS had anything near that i wouldn't buy it at all either. I wouldn't care how bad ass the system was if i could only use it for 4-6hrs! Even if the beautiful graphics could give me an mental orgasm of joy i wouldn't buy it if the batteries lasted 4-6hrs!!!!!!!!!!!!

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