Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up

[Smashman]

What's the big deal. It isn't like Nintendo or their systems are going to be any worse... just as long as Metroid Prime 2 and Paper Mario 2 are released, and I am happy.

[nolimit19]

they lose diversity and quality of games. so they kind of are getting worse unless they get someone else to fill their spot. maybe not much worse, but they certainly arent getting better.

[manunited4eva22]

If I had to make a shot in the dark at this, SK either A) wanted nintendo to buy them out or B) Was offered to be bought out, and they decided to turn it down.

[akdaman1]

Im gonna pretty much wait till E3 until I decide whats going on.

I am almost absoulotly not getting an N5. Im sick of this. 64 dissapoints and so does GCN. Bloddy hell

[Informant]

"I am almost absoulotly not getting an N5. Im sick of this. 64 dissapoints and so does GCN. Bloddy hell"

This makes me laugh.  No, wait, it makes me freaking sick...  

[akdaman1]

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Originally posted by: Akage
"I am almost absoulotly not getting an N5. Im sick of this. 64 dissapoints and so does GCN. Bloddy hell"

This makes me laugh.  No, wait, it makes me freaking sick...

Sick of me, or how everyone predicts the Apocyalpse for GCN ? ...or maybe sick because its true ?

[Pinnacle]

I think Nintendo and Microsoft should produce a console together. By all means, Nintendo do it. Sony could never defeat their combined resources even with their near monopoly playstation brand name.

[Informant]

Sick of whiny people like you who claim the end of Nintendo because of the "loss" of a team that did very little in terms of sales for Nintendo.

And to base your purchase of Nintendo's next system off this is incredibly childish.

[thecubedcanuck]

"And to base your purchase of Nintendo's next system off this is incredibly childish. "

no it isnt. If you like a certain companies games and they no longer support Nintendo, then it is perfectly justifiable to not buy Nintendo's console.

[yellowfellow]

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I think Nintendo and Microsoft should produce a console together. By all means, Nintendo do it. Sony could never defeat their combined resources even with their near monopoly playstation brand name.

unfortunately as a japanese company, i really can't see nintendo conceeding to a partnership with an american company, which would be regarded by many a result of nintendo's weaknesses.  

[Bill Aurion]

"no it isnt. If you like a certain companies games and they no longer support Nintendo, then it is perfectly justifiable to not buy Nintendo's console."

Um, who said anything about SK no longer supporting Nintendo?  And basing the future purchase on a company that made 2 games IS stupid...It just shows that you shouldn't have bought the GC in the first place...

[CHEN]

Why does the majority think SK will only develop for the X-Box? Look, they are just broadening their horizons. SK has a lot of GCN development kits, so they won't just abandon them whole. Maybe they're releasing their future titles on all platforms. There is absolutely no indication they're going to be exclusive to the PS2 or X-Box. I think the reason Denis has parted with Nintendo is that he has the ambition Sillicon Knights could grow into something big. I doubt Denis would accept a take over, he's an ambitious man trying to be succesful and he thinks this is the right choice. Deal with it. It's not the end of the world. The bottom line is that SK doesn't have a contract to develope exclusively for Nintendo anymore. It doesn't mean they won't develop for them. It's a matter of finding a publisher to publish the games. If I can get my ED2 and Too Human for the GCN, I'll be happy. I don't care if it gets multiplatform. So don't give your hopes up. We'll find more about it at E3, so stick with me until that time.

[thecubedcanuck]

I would bet $100,000 that SK doesnt make another Nin game.  

[CHEN]

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Originally posted by: joshnickerson
God, seriously, you act like Nintendo chewed Silicon Knights up, spit it out, called it sh!t and then sold them to Atari. From what I'm reading SK is simply a 3rd party like it was before, and it is totally free to continue a relationship with Nintendo while working on other consoles. Then you go on to say that you will never buy another Nintendo console again, Nintendo is failing, Nintendo disrespects all their second parties, Nintendo is going bankrupt, wah wah wah.
I seriously don't know why I bother coming to these forums anymore when every day you just deride Nintendo and second guess them constantly. If I wanted that I'd go to the IGN forums.

[Ian Sane]

By itself SK leaving Nintendo is probably not worth basing a console purchase decision on.  But that combined with the departures of Rare, Factor 5, Acclaim, Midway, Sega Sports, and the NUMEROUS blatant f*ck ups that Nintendo commited with the Cube AND the disappointments in many of Nintendo's key titles like Mario and Zelda makes for a perfectly logical reason to not buy an N5.

The Cube was supposed to make up for the mistakes of the N64.  In the end it failed to do so and the result is a console that is arguably even worse than the N64.  Nintendo has let their fanbase down two consoles in a row now so why should anyone stick with them.

If they want me to buy an N5 at launch they better have the best launch title of all time.  Or make a miraculous recovery with the Cube.

[The Omen]

Ian, I agree, which is really sad.  As recent as a couple of months ago, I was having no problems assuming the N5 was going to kick ass.  Now I have major doubts.  The DS doesn't excite me yet, and this SK/Factor5 incident has pushed me to the edge.  I'm going to have to really look closely at which console gets my money next gen.

[CHEN]

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Originally posted by: akdaman1

"I am almost absoulotly not getting an N5. Im sick of this. 64 dissapoints and so does GCN. Bloddy hell"

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Sick of me, or how everyone predicts the Apocyalpse for GCN ? ...or maybe sick because its true ?

You're even dumber than I thought.

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I would bet $100,000 that SK doesnt make another Nin game.

You're on, my friend.

[ThePerm]

hmmm everyone is really freaking out, and you can tell who the newbies and the veterans are because the newbies always freak out ten times more. And of course there are also the constant pessimists who spin everything exactly in the opposite direction. Anyways i think its time to take a wait and see stance. Right now im on edge though and i hope a detailed explanation comes soon.

[Perfect Cell]

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I've seen it so many times in the past few years that it's meaningless to me now. I'll believe it when I see it

When? When Mario is released on the X-box ? When you need Sony for a new Zelda?  By then its too late.


Im trying to understand, how loosing support from Silicon Knights and Factor 5 is remotely good. The Nintendo fanboy argument when companies like Acclaim  Eidos, Midway, Sega Sports ect took their buisness elsewhere, was "Well were better off anyways, their games were junk, Addition by subtraction". Not anymore.  Factor 5, and SK, were the cream of the crop of the   Exclusives Exclusives Sell consoles. Mario Party 6, Mario Golf Rehash, Pokemon Rehash ect Dont sell consoles ,they sell to the small fanbase. This year will be an important year for nintendo. If they dont turn the ship around, not even the DS will save them.  

[ruby_onix]

Here's basically what I said in the Talkback thread before it evaporated.

The loss of Silicon Knights feels bigger than the loss of Rare. It was a "shocker" to lose Rare, but losing SK makes it look like a "trend".

Jonny had to mention that we knew for sure that Retro wasn't going anywhere, because Nintendo essentially "owns" them, instead of just an "investment", but is that what it takes? People will drop Nintendo and leave, if they're not strapped down to their chairs? Nintendo can't even hang onto the shreds of third party support that they have left, and now they're losing their second parties too? Won't be long before people question why Miyamoto still works for Nintendo. Oh wait, they already do...

However, I believe we need to wait for more info before we start jumping to wild conclusions (stares bankly at a LOT of this thread).

But at the very least, there does not seem to be any way in which this news can be a "good thing" for Nintendo fans. Or SK fans either, IMO.

Whatever happens, I wish Denis and the rest of SK (if you're still reading this stuff, which would be very commendable) the best of luck, wherever they end up, or whatever games they end up making. I just hope that the place you end up is right here. Pulling gems like the MSX versions of Metal Gear 1&2 (and maybe some unexpected stuff like Tokimeki Memorial) out of the Konami vault, for us horribly oppressed Nintendo fans.

[mouse_clicker]

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hmmm everyone is really freaking out, and you can tell who the newbies and the veterans are because the newbies always freak out ten times more. And of course there are also the constant pessimists who spin everything exactly in the opposite direction. Anyways i think its time to take a wait and see stance. Right now im on edge though and i hope a detailed explanation comes soon.

Perm, why don't you say stuff like this all the time? I think you've hit the nail on the head 100%. You really should pipe up more often.

[the_zombie_luke]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
By itself SK leaving Nintendo is probably not worth basing a console purchase decision on.  But that combined with the departures of Rare, Factor 5, Acclaim, Midway, Sega Sports, and the NUMEROUS blatant f*ck ups that Nintendo commited with the Cube AND the disappointments in many of Nintendo's key titles like Mario and Zelda makes for a perfectly logical reason to not buy an N5.

The Cube was supposed to make up for the mistakes of the N64.  In the end it failed to do so and the result is a console that is arguably even worse than the N64.  Nintendo has let their fanbase down two consoles in a row now so why should anyone stick with them.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not nearly as mad about the third parties, but I only wanted one thing other than Smash Brothers this generation. That would be a Zelda that is almost as good as Ocarina or just as good as Link's Awakening, and Nintendo has still not delivered. I liked the Wind Waker's cel-shaded graphics, but lack of length and challenge in the dungeons disappointed me. I also don't like Aonouma's style of dungeons. They just don't feel like Zelda. My point is,  Nintendo could not even deliver one thing to me, and they are letting all sorts of fans down. If they cannot even give their old and loyal fans what they want, then they have a lot of work to do.  

[ruby_onix]

The details we seek will probably only come out after reporters get a chance to sit down and talk with Denis at E3.

So, this all angst gets dumped into the "wait until E3" pile, by my book.

But you know, in that context, it really doesn't seem that big. There's bigger, more exiting stuff that I'm waiting for from E3.

[Uncle Rich AiAi]

Perm is right.  Everyone should just calm down and take a big deep breath.  There isn't any point at pointing fingers at anyone until we know the full story.  But I agree with the posts saying things are not looking good for Nintendo, as it appears.


As for the people saying they will not buy the N5/GCNext, hold your horses.  That's 2 years away.  Now isn't the time to make a decision on which console to buy next gen.  Just wait and see.  Heck, I don't know if I'm gonna buy Nintendo's next home console.

[Rich]

Those of you who are saying that you won't by Nintendo's next console because SK left are blowing this way outta proportion. It seems that the majority of you have forgot that Silicon Knights have only released 2 games this generation and had they stayed exclusive to Nintendo they probably would have made a 3rd before starting work on an N5 launch title. Now despite how good Eternal Darkness and twin snakes were(and yes I know they were great games), I am not gonna be so angry because Nintendo let go of a company that would have made 3 games in this generation and would probably only release 3 next as well. It really isn't as big as you guys are making it out to be.

You want to buy Xbox2 or PS3 go ahead, but to say your buying them because they are supported by a development company that makes 3 games a generation is stupid. Sure those 3 games will be great but its not like I won't see any other great games from Nintendo. Despite what someone here said I still consider Nintendo's games above most 3rd party games with only a few exceptions(POP, VJ). I believe that I will still probably stick with Nintendo next generation. I mean last week I was perfectly content with my cube just because SK left doesn't mean that my Cube is now crap, which some of you seem to be implying. I think you guys are making this way bigger then it should be.