Topic: Is this E3 make or break for the GC?

[Ian Sane]

Midway and Acclaim suck now but they were big supporters on the N64 and the two of them are capable of making good games they're just quite lazy.  Acclaim in particular has a pattern of releasing crap until they nearly go broke followed by a string of decent games that put them back in the black folllowed by laziness.  So really any of those two could improve themselves overnight.

[Rich]

The game that I have liked from Midway on GC was MLB Slugfest that was fun game, other then that it has all been crap, especially spyhunter. I was about to buy it but I rented first, it was horrible. But like I said before they are turning around which sucks because they won't bring anything to Gamecube.

[ThePerm]

i changed my mind....e3 is make or break Nintendo

[thecubedcanuck]

"The general public is stupid and blind, it doesn't notice good deal/product if they were hit on the head."

This comment is such a crock of chit.

What is a good game to you may be crap to someone else. I think Zelda was a boring crap fest, I prefer GTA vice city as I founf it more fun to play. Video game likes and dislikes are not about intelligence, they are simply preferances. Why does everyone who disagrees with the eliteist Nintendo fanboy attitude always get called stupid.?

[Ian Sane]

I agree with Perm.  They have to make up for this SK thing.  If Sony announces Too Human for the PS2 then they'll effectively break Nintendo right there.

And most importantly of all we're all disappointed as hell right now and we NEED something to give us confidence in Nintendo.  Damage control needs to be in full force and the best place to do it is E3.

[Rich]

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
"The general public is stupid and blind, it doesn't notice good deal/product if they were hit on the head."

This comment is such a crock of chit.

What is a good game to you may be crap to someone else. I think Zelda was a boring crap fest, I prefer GTA vice city as I founf it more fun to play. Video game likes and dislikes are not about intelligence, they are simply preferances. Why does everyone who disagrees with the eliteist Nintendo fanboy attitude always get called stupid.?

Hey man I like the GTA games too its a fun game, not my favorite but its fun. I understand that zelda may be boring to some, but most don't even give it a chance because of how it looks, it may be a well made game and they may find it fun but it looks to "kiddy" so therefore it can't be fun. and there are so many crappy games out there that sell, like those DragonballZ fighting games, they are horrible, but yet it sold pretty well. the public is stubid and blind, they dont notice games because they are good, but because they look cool. Eternal Darkness was a great game yet it sold like crap, why? I don't know maybe the box art wasn't cool enough or because the green and purple on the box turned people off. Eternal darkness is a perfect example of how blind the public is. and don't tell me its because of the user base on Gamecube, REmake sold fin and it was mature. I believe that in todays world the most successful product is the coolest looking product. Hopefully thats what we will see at E3, Games that not only look cool but play great as well.

[Darc Requiem]

I concur with Ian and Perm, E3 is make or break for Nintendo. Why you ask? Because this forum has some of the most diehard Nintendo fans and we have no confidence in Nintendo anymore. I will go as far as to say that there is almost no way Nintendo can impress me at this years E3. I hope.....I really sincerely hope I'm wrong on this, but sadly I doubt it.

Darc Requiem

[Rich]

I can be impressed but it'll take a lot to do so, I expect Metroid to rock the house and the video for WW2 to be awesome and super exciting. And I'm tired of waiting for Game Zero. Basically if I don't see those ill be a little angry. but I would still buy the N5 unless there was something revealed about it that I don't like.

[ThePerm]

Yeah about Game Zero, if game zero is not shown at e3 it defies somesort of logic. Sure its been known that secretness builds hype(in the n64 days), but it also makes games freaking ubscure. Show the game damnit! The who secrecy thing hasnt been working for Nintendo in a long damn time. Actually if you look back in the last few years the games that were kept secret sold poorly...show alot of your cards bastards...the ther companies are bluffing.

[Ian Sane]

"Actually if you look back in the last few years the games that were kept secret sold poorly"

I think that's because those games didn't match up to the hype created by keeping them secret.  Super Mario Sunshine for example didn't need to be kept secret and by keeping it a big secret Nintendo built up this huge hype that they didn't deliver on.  If a heavily rumoured game is kept underwraps it BETTER be really good and innovative.  Nintendo has greatly overestimated the importance of some of their ideas this gen.  Not everything will be stolen so not everything has to be a secret.

[The Omen]

Funny, I forgot about my little thread here, but now I guess it's more relevent, after all this sh!t. Nintendo better make E3 their best in years.

[ThePerm]

no...i beleive nintendo makes games secret to build hype...but the hypse hasnt been building...to have hype..EVERYONE has to know about the game and want it.
Heck, most people don't even know what eternal darkness nor conker's bad fur day is..let alone perfect dark.  My point and your point is that the secrecy has to stop..it aint working. Hype games that don't need to be hyped and you won't ash in on it..keep good games quiet and their nothing mroe then cult favorites.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Releasing extensive, non-spoiling demos/trailers in a timely manner wouldn't hurt, either.  Konami hit the nail right on the head with their "surprise" MGS2 teasers in past E3s, following that up with the famous public (ZOE) demo.  Capcom and Namco did the smart thing by including VJ and SCII in last year's GC Demo Disc (tho unfortunately, that's the only significant "take-home" demo we've ever got to date).  Releasing the super-sized, meaty Resident Evil 4 trailer in Famitsu Wave DVD well in-advance of the game's release was another good move, though they (these 'subtle' promotions of Nintendo titles) pale in comparison to the long-term benefits of PS2/Xbox's periodic demo/preview disc programs, which have been great sources of media that can possibly make a more effective/definitive impression on the viewer than simply visiting an internet site and downloading a tiny video clip.

Long have I wished for Nintendo to make significant improvements in this regard.  Sure, I do see things improving, but it's all been at too slow a rate, which is why I think the scene is still relatively quiet, with many titles still not getting proper retail attention.

Then I continue to wonder why GBA advertising historically seems more exciting/interesting than GCN advertising.

[Rich]

I would buy a subcription to Nintendo Power if they offered  demo disks, even if the jacked up the price to 40, it would be worth it.

[The Omen]

Far be it for Nintendo to offer any incentive to buy anything Nintendo related.  

[Perfect Cell]

Is it make or Break? No. Last E3 Was terrible for Nintendo, most fanboys wanted a new Space World. Nintendos Sales were awesome thanks to the price drop. Two years ago, Nintendo dominated E3, unilateraly proclaimed as the Best E3 out of the 3 consoles. Metroid, Mario , Link and Fox were on hand. Nitnendos sales were terrible. So E3 doesnt atter if you ask me.


It wouldnt hurt to have a good E3 though, get consumer confidence up. Get people exited about the Brand. Especially the DS who most see as a new Virtual Boy. They need to get the ball rolling. Im slightly worried. but who knows

[Rich]

Yeah but the better Nintendo does the more publications such as EGM and GI write about their games which is good publicity. I heard that MP2 was going to be on the cover of GI this month, thats huge publicity, GI has a fan base spread over millions across the country and every single one of them are gonna have MP2 shoved in their face. I remember 2 years ago EGM had the three Nintendo stars as the cover, again great publicity.

[The Omen]

Unfortunately , nintendo has no idea how to attain outstanding pub.  But if this SK-Nin split up is marketing, I may believe they finally get it.  

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Yeah, I'm sure the hardcore internet public has gone wacko over the "news".  But I don't know if I can say the same for the casual/majority public.