Author Topic: Nintendo Reveals "Third Pillar"! (Read 52899 times)

odifiend · « **Reply #125 on:** January 21, 2004, 10:44:42 AM »

No one is forcing you to read.

jasonditz · « **Reply #126 on:** January 21, 2004, 10:46:05 AM »

The great part is nobody so it coming.

For the million threads here and elsewhere of people going "I know what the new system is going to be" and then coming up with something stupid... I never once saw anything remotely DS-like predicted.

Nile Boogie · « **Reply #127 on:** January 21, 2004, 10:53:51 AM »

...and so it hit me. Silent Scope. The arcade game where you set up the sniper rifle through the one screen and the look in the smaller screen for a close-up shot of the victim. That's the only example of any game that I can remember that uses two screens for more than just a gimick. How tis would translate to this "thing" well I have not the slightest, just thought I'd bring it up.

JB · « **Reply #128 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:21:46 AM »

I'm hoping it'a going to be a proper handheld and not some kind of Pokemon Mini-device. The possibilities of the added screen could be endless.

What I am curious about is why Nintendo have decided to switch to a TFT-screen? TFT-screens have to be backlit for you to see anything at all(unlike the front-lit screen of the GBASP, where are still able to see the screen under normal lighting conditions if the front-light is switched off), and a second screen would certainly put a drain on the battery-life.

And why do I get the impression the NDS is going to look like Samsung's E700 phone?

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #129 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:31:23 AM »

The DS is backlit. There are some new details at 1up.com:
Nintendo DS Details

Robageejammin · « **Reply #130 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:33:12 AM »

Oh god, blasting my horde of Nintendo music in excitement...

You people...lol you really make me laugh sometimes. I think if Nintendo said theyd be releasing a console that digitally transports you into another 3d world, youd still find something bad to say lol. "Oh umm welll err when you go in da gamee its likeee...bad..resolution and umm....da polygons feel so fake!" lol. Just have a really open mind. Instead of "OHH this is floppy mcflopbags!" just think about it. You know Nintendos gonna do something amazing with this. Shiggy + DS = werdness. You know its not just gonna be just a rear view mirror or a map or any other obvious feature. I've already heard some friggin awesome ideas from reading ALL of the posts before this like pikmin or the zelda light/dark world ideas. But thats just from us ordinary forum junkies, can you imagine what kinda crap Shiggy and co. will come up with?! As far as 3rd party shinanigens go, I think developers will jump at this. If i was a developer (which i soon hope to be ) i would be going insane with ideas right now. I know we said it before, but the possibilities really are endless and in my opinion will overflow even past the DS's lifespan. And whoever says it'll be like virtual boy is just stupid. you cant compare the two at all.

Anyway, the big picture is that Nintendo is doing something different, which says alot. And im sure that when the N5 is ready to debut, it will also be "different".

Good god, my excitement for going to E3 this year just grew 100 times more...and for the millionth time TYP, thanks for the info.

JB · « **Reply #131 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:36:43 AM »

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Originally posted by: the_zombie_luke
The DS is backlit. There are some new details at 1up.com:
Nintendo DS Details

All TFT-screens have to be backlit in order for you to see anything. In daylight without a backlit a TFT-screen would be harder to see than Castlevania: Circle of the Moon on an original GBA without the Afterburner-mod in a dark room without any light at all.

MarioAllStar · « **Reply #132 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:44:59 AM »

I personally hope that Nintendo NEVER has their system do anything but gaming. We don't want a media server, DVD player, CD player, radio, PVR, stereo, and etc in our video game system, do we? Especially when the quality of said features is lower than a five year old's expectations. We buy a GAMING system for the GAMES! Others seem to have forgoten/never knew that. Nintendo is the only hardware manufacturing video game company which keeps gaming at it's 'roots'.

mattcube · « **Reply #133 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:48:52 AM »

Well, Considering that atleast 1 CPU is running on an ARM9 proccessor, I can confidently say this will be 3d capable, as Tapwave's Zodiac runns on the exact same thing. However, the Zodiac also has a dedicate ATI Imageon graphics card. Besisdes, Sony has been releasing specs lately that the PSP's graphics are going to be closer to PS2 more than PSOne. So, I don't think these will be fighting head-to-head. Although I do believe these will both be around $250-$300. Don't flame me just yet!
Nintendo has something up its sleeves. I can smell it. I mean something big. This just released announcment isn't what we've been waiting for, but rather we are all still waiting. Ninty's plans for the DS could be a complete failure, but I doubt it. There's more to this announcment than meets the eye. This DS isn't going to be a quick cash-in. It's going to be THE product that shows Nintendo can innovate, and do it well.
You can quote me, and flame me later down the road. But, Nintendo has much more in store for the DS than we could ever imagine.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #134 on:** January 21, 2004, 11:57:21 AM »

Im definitely going to buy this one to make sure Nintendo keeps in the business to compete with the PSP. It should have GBA support though to make it all the more appealing.
If I get a job, the price won't really matter, cause I'm going to buy it.
The concept of two screens has many possibilities, and I'm sure Nintendo will find many uses for the GC/N5 connection.

Interesting.......

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #135 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:02:48 PM »

I honestly don't see nintendo leaving their Game Machine Only mentality.

I actually disagree. Nintendo reps have mentioned the DVD playback capibilities of the PS2 as a reason for its great sales. Plus remember they did have the Panasonic Q system. I fully expect the next Nintendo system to have DVD playback.

When it comes to the NDS. Theres 2 things i wanted to mention, i hope they once again work with Motorola and give it wireless multiplayer. Game link cables are a way of the past, and seccond if it had MP3 Capabilites it would make it alot more interesting. Id be more interested in it really

Switchblade Cross · « **Reply #136 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:15:34 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
Your average casual gamer will look at PSP and DS, "Hmmmm, PSP looks cool. Hey look at that, DS has two screens! PSP is like, so one screened!". [/slight generalisation]

Another idea, what if one of the screens is see-through? Nah that's impossible...

Well, Nintendo did say it would be one screen "on top" of the other. Maybe they do not ne vertically but rather depth wise, one screen BEHIND the other. If the first were transparent you would be able to see both the screens simultaniuously. If the screens filckered in alternating intervals at about 60 or more per second, and if the pixels in each matrix were angled correctly, each eye would only see the image of one screen, creating a truly 3D gaming environment, where items would literally come out of the screen to whom ever was in the correct viewing position

JB · « **Reply #137 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:17:01 PM »

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Originally posted by: mattcube
Well, Considering that atleast 1 CPU is running on an ARM9 proccessor, I can confidently say this will be 3d capable, as Tapwave's Zodiac runns on the exact same thing. However, the Zodiac also has a dedicate ATI Imageon graphics card. Besisdes, Sony has been releasing specs lately that the PSP's graphics are going to be closer to PS2 more than PSOne. So, I don't think these will be fighting head-to-head. Although I do believe these will both be around $250-$300. Don't flame me just yet!
Nintendo has something up its sleeves. I can smell it. I mean something big. This just released announcment isn't what we've been waiting for, but rather we are all still waiting. Ninty's plans for the DS could be a complete failure, but I doubt it. There's more to this announcment than meets the eye. This DS isn't going to be a quick cash-in. It's going to be THE product that shows Nintendo can innovate, and do it well.
You can quote me, and flame me later down the road. But, Nintendo has much more in store for the DS than we could ever imagine.

This is not meant as bashing Sony, but Sony claimed the PS2 could handle 70 million+ polygons per second ingame, whereas it can only handle about 10 million. In other words: I'll believe Sony's claims about the PSP when I'll see it in action with my own eyes.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #138 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:17:37 PM »

"I fully expect the next Nintendo system to have DVD playback."

I don't...The PS2/DVD idea sold well due to the fact it was released when DVD players were still very expensive...Why pick up an expensive DVD player when you can get one for the same price(or less) with a gaming system included?

Almost everyone who wanted a DVD player would have one(either as part of their PS2/Xbox or a better brand), and would only add to the cost...I already have a nice Toshiba DVD player that is twice as good as the ones included in my PS2 and Xbox's put together...I do NOT need a 4th...

Pale · « **Reply #139 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:36:35 PM »

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Originally posted by: Perfect Cell
I honestly don't see nintendo leaving their Game Machine Only mentality.

I actually disagree. Nintendo reps have mentioned the DVD playback capibilities of the PS2 as a reason for its great sales. Plus remember they did have the Panasonic Q system. I fully expect the next Nintendo system to have DVD playback.

When it comes to the NDS. Theres 2 things i wanted to mention, i hope they once again work with Motorola and give it wireless multiplayer. Game link cables are a way of the past, and seccond if it had MP3 Capabilites it would make it alot more interesting. Id be more interested in it really

If N5 is based on a normal sized DVD media, you are probalby right, because it would be hella cheap. I'm talking about putting phone, mp3 playback, video playback, garbage in a hand held. That won't happen unless they change their whole philosophy.

thepoga · « **Reply #140 on:** January 21, 2004, 12:52:26 PM »

yeah, i think that there are a few more features not mentioined yet too. but what could they be?

The main point of the dual screens is so that u cross ur eyes and it becomes 3D! heh, but seriously, there has GOT to be more than the two screens in my opinion. Nintendo isn't stupid and this sort of thing costs a lot of money. And they have never made a bad portable gaming console. haha except for the virtual boy. maybe this is the virtual boy 2! except ten times better! which is still not that great.

Mario · « **Reply #141 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:00:02 PM »

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Can the admins put a cap on the discussion of the DS until we have som actual information, like with Never Happening or Wind Waker?

Why? What else do we have to discuss? We do have some actual information, it will have two screens.

You know, revealing only this limited bit of info early is actually smart, since this is getting all the negative responces out now, rather than E3, which they plan to 'steal the show' by showing off the actual Nintendo DS. If they held off on these details until E3, then everyone will think it's a disaster and be electing the same responces they are now (well not everyone). If you catch my drift...

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #142 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:05:52 PM »

Two screens, wow- that's absolutely nothing to go on, and anything that COULD have been gleaned from it has already been thoroughly bashed. What else is there to discuss? Quite frankly, I'm as in the dark about the DS as before I even knew what it was. This thread is already some 5 pages long, I think everything that needs to be said has been said. Hence, wild speculation will do no good, since that's all we CAN do now.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #143 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:09:18 PM »

Of course, there's more than just the two screens...This is a whole new piece of hardware people! That means an exclusive lineup of games...

Mario · « **Reply #144 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:12:55 PM »

I see you have a wild imagination there mouse clicker, there is heaps to discuss, and that's what we're doing (well not you), if you have a problem with this discussion, then don't participate in it. I don't see why discussion about this should be canned. Speculation wont hurt anyone, and it promotes active discussion, something the PGC forums have been lacking lately.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #145 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:28:11 PM »

As long as it stays here, I guess it's fine. I have a very wild imagination, Mario, i just need some to base it on.

savanna03 · « **Reply #146 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:30:25 PM »

3rd pillar huh??? that is separate from a CONSOLE and GAMEBOY... am i the only one thinking that this could be the device that would make NINTENDO enter the PORTABLE ENTERTAINMENT and GAME SYSTEM. if they would market NDS a strictly gaming handheld, this isn't a 3rd pillar to me, it is just an upgrade to GBA SP and the name 3rd pillar is just a gimmick to me. everybody nows that GBA was market toward kids, but what if the NDS is market toward the adults crowds. that would be completely new products. adults like extra features in their device like, mp3 or cell phone(hey NINTENDO did said that it would be able to communicate wireless). if they did that, heck im buying on launch.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #147 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:35:39 PM »

Im not so sure, that everygame will have to have 2 screens. While certainly possible it will make some of it redundant. How bout a button that merges the images on the two screens into one big one?

babaloulou · « **Reply #148 on:** January 21, 2004, 01:56:39 PM »

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Epitaph · « **Reply #149 on:** January 21, 2004, 02:00:18 PM »

Anyone think that these screens might be placed so well beside eachother it will look like one screen, they do it with tv's why not mini lcd's. Hey! you never know cheep alternative for a larger screen.

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