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This is why school shootings happen
« on: July 25, 2003, 08:59:22 PM »
I'm sure a lot of you have heard of the Star Wars kid by now. Basically, a 15-year-old in Quebec was videotaped at school pretending his was a Jedi wielding a double-edged lightsaber, something I'm sure we've all done one. 4 kids stole the video and released it on the internet and now the Star Wars kid,  Ghyslain Raza, has to finish the rest of school in a psychiatric ward because he was ridiculed by 500 other kids every day. His parents are suing the parents of the other 4 kids for $225,000 in damages. Some people felt sorry for Ghyslain, one group raising almost $3,000 for him, which they plan to buy him an iPod with. Reportedly, the 4 kids who released the video of Ghyslain are actual plotting to find a way to get the iPod sent to them.

People, THIS is why school shootings happen. When you have an entire school who makes it their goal for the day to make you feel like something they'd scrape off the bottom of their shoe OF COURSE something's going to snap. It's horrible to know that people like that actually exist in this world, and further more feel no remorse for what they have done. I'm glad this particular kid got some help, but if it had gone just a little differently, we'd be hearing about the violent deaths of at least 4 students at the hands of their classmate in Quebec right now.  
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2003, 09:32:56 PM »
Dude I just saw that video. ITS SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS HILARIOUS I CANT STOP LAUGHING!! I'm sorry but this was HILARIOUS. If you want to see it here.

http://web.gwax.com/swk/

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I feel bad for him and all but....it was hilarious.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2003, 03:05:25 AM »
Yeah, it's sad that this happened, but I think less guns in the country would have a greater effect.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2003, 03:09:40 AM »
Whoa, are you serious?
He's in a mental hospital????
Holy mother of God.

I mean, he's like a celebrity among the Star Wars community now!
He's had more exposure for that tape than any fan-made movie in history!

And last I heard, there's rumours that Lucasfilm's casting agents are going to offer him a small role in Episode 3!!

Bloody hell. This is pretty bad.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2003, 04:48:44 AM »
he could sell shirts and CHING CHING CHING CASH IN ON THIS TRAGEDY!

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2003, 05:05:06 AM »
 Mouse_clicker is right in all of his assumptions except there's a flaw. The kid is Canadian. So a school shooting has a really low probability or none of ever being realized.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2003, 06:04:04 AM »
Caliban, there was a school shooting in my high school when I was in 11th grade.  I am a Canadian, and went to a Canadian high school.

Anyways, I think that Ghislain should just quit his damn bitching.  Everyone gets mocked at some point in their life.  Some of my grade school years were a living freaking hell.  Did I ever get a free iPod and $3000?  HELL NO!  I would gradly trade places with the unappreciative idiot.

His parents are the ones who need to be freaking shot.  Suing someone because your son was dumb enough to leave the tape in the camcorder of himself doing some VERY ungraceful moves?  WTF do you think will happen?
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2003, 06:54:12 AM »
You act like that 3000 dollars he got is going anywhere but to pay off that bill he has from the hospital...

If he gets something free because some smartass kids think its funny even after they caused his insanity,god forbidthey get in deep crap for their actions. Had they appologized and actually given a crap, do you honestly think thry would still be sued, and if they were for anywhere remotely what they are being sued for?

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2003, 09:13:33 AM »
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Had they appologized and actually given a crap, do you honestly think thry would still be sued, and if they were for anywhere remotely what they are being sued for?



In all fairness, they may had been advised by their lawyers not to apologize, as it would've been a admittance of guilt.

i kinda have to side with Grey Ninja on this one. i was teased so badly in one school that i developed an ulcer and had to take meds. Not fun at all; where's my iPod? i got over it, and you know what? i'm a better person for it. i can deal with situations a lot better and can stand up for myself if i need to. i do feel bad for the guy, especially considering the severity of his condition. Hopefully, he'll be able to move past this and become stronger because of it.

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Suing someone because your son was dumb enough to leave the tape in the camcorder of himself doing some VERY ungraceful moves? WTF do you think will happen?


It reminds me of the Libby Hoeler vids. The story goes that she used her webcam to make vids of herself stripping to send to her boyfriend. He fond out she was cheating, and distributed them out on the web, one with what is alleged to be her address and phone number. i've heard no news of her filing a suit. i'm sure she's been approached by people in the adult industry, if she wasn't already a member.

If anything, the kids should be punished for stealing school property. Also, i want to know what the school did to improve the situation once it spread.  
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2003, 11:46:28 AM »
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Suing someone because your son was dumb enough to leave the tape in the camcorder of himself doing some VERY ungraceful moves? WTF do you think will happen?


Actually, it was left in a locked cabinet the 4 kids broke into.

Grey Ninja- I agree that people shouldn't take ridicule that seriously, but you have to understand that not everybody can handle critiscism. I could take 500 people calling me names all day because I dont' really care what other people think about me, but other people aren't the same way. Maybe this kid was insecure to begin with, at which point the worst thing that could happen is for the entire student body to turn on you. Do you really think anyone that would shoot their fellow classmates are SANE? Kids like this need help whether they're being made fun of or not, and when they don't get it when they ARE being made fun of, what do you think's going to happen? Most of us have the luxury of realizing that the people who make fun of us are just sadistic freaks who probably won't amount to anything, but other people don't. You can't just assume that everyone out there is going to take ridicule standing up- some people just can't handle it. And I seriously doubt even you could handle 500 kids making fun of you all day every day- I know I couldn't.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2003, 11:51:53 AM »
The world isn't perfect.  Bad things happen.  Live with it.  That's about the last I will say in this thread, as this has great potential of becoming far too personal for me.

Suffice to say that I have survived all kinds of crap, I have never killed anyone, and I am a stronger person because of it.  And I most certainly did not get a f*cking iPod for being a dork.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2003, 12:04:23 PM »
I agree with both mouse_clicker and GreyNinja, really. I agree that many kids are f***ing sadistic ***holes that should be impaled in one of their lungs and then burnt to death; I also agree that this kid shouldn't be getting $3000. I've had things happen to me over the course of a few years that could total up to just as bad as or even worse than this kid's "ordeal." I'm medically depressed, I've got anxiety, and I've got a schizoid personality (if you don't know, that's when you avoid relationships, don't show much emotion, prefer to be alone, don't secretly desire popularity, show no need for attention or acceptance, and get considered a "loner"). Boohoo. Who cares? Just my opinion on the issue. Peace.

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2003, 12:08:31 PM »
Obviously the world isn't perfect, which means SOME people are going to experience a loss of sanity when they get ridiculed constantly. The bottom line is that I completely agree with you that people should be able to take getting made fun of, but that's simply NOT possible for some people. If you can't come to terms with that, ANYONE who backs down to critiscism is going to seem weak to you, and you should know that people like that need help, not more critiscism. When someone's having a nervous breakdown (which is obviously necessary for someone to kill their classmates or be put in a mental ward) they need help and support, not people telling them to get up and face it like a man. You're only adding to their burden.  
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2003, 12:34:15 PM »
Alright, one last word.

dj, Welcome to the forums.  I hope you stay a while.  From your description, I am schizoid too, and my roommate who was a neuroscience student also described me as schizophrenic at times.  I can't really disagree.  I pretty much agree with everything you say though.  

Mouse Clicker, this is starting to remind me of a conversation I once had with the roommate I just mentioned.  She told me she was interested in teaching special education classes if she could get accepted into the education program.  I told her that I didn't see any point in spending education dollars on teaching retards to sing and dance.  She told me that it wasn't just the retards, but people who had other handicaps that required them to have an altered education.  I told her that was a bunch of crap.  We already have various different levels of difficulty that a student can take, and it's not like the education system is geared towards certain people.  The geniuses are held back by the idiots, and the progress is too fast for the idiots.  The average IQ level doesn't really gain much from the experience either, as they just don't want to be there.  My point was that school is 12 years of pure hell.  Getting a diploma at the end of it means that you overcame great adversity, and accomplished your goal against all odds.  Giving out that diploma to someone who couldn't handle the pressure is disgracing those who earned it fair and square.  She promptly called me an intellectual snob.

My opinion on that remains unchanged though.  People aren't meant to overcome every obstacle placed in front of them.  Not everyone is meant to finish school, and not everyone is meant to have a peachy life.  If you can't handle people mocking you, then retreat into your house and never leave.  If you can handle it, then go outside and make something of yourself.  The choice is entirely yours.

Anyways, that's my last word on the issue.  I mean it this time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2003, 03:16:37 PM »
So what you're bascially saying is SCREW anybody who's less privileged than you are? Leave them to their own devices and let them ROT? I seriously thought you had a lot more heart than that, Ninja. Compassion for your fellow man is not something that you acquire, although it seems that you've lost it. You think that people who were BORN disadvantaged should be ignored? You think they should be shunned by society? You're no better than the jocks and preps who get shot up at school shootings! You're no better than the people you're disgusted by! It's time you started looking out for the little guy, and not just because sometimes you ARE the little guy. Haven't you ever heard of helping out people who need help? By your logic we should just herd anyone who isn't an ideal socialite onto a rocket and send them to Mars. Maybe it's easier for you to rail on people like this since you're not in their position (don't even try to convince me you are). I think someone once said that maturity is the ability to recognize other people's needs, to care for people other than yourselves- obviously you're not mature yet.  

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My point was that school is 12 years of pure hell.


So now school is an endurance test? So only the kids who DON'T have problems deserve an education? How the hell do they do school in Canada? In the US at least, EVERYONE gets an education because EVERYONE DESERVES an education.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2003, 03:24:00 PM »
The problem could have been solved the real way in the real world. The kid that got made fun of (I forgot his name) should have went to school that day, and beat the living $hit out of the first kid that said something. That way when he got back from suspension kids would say "Whoa, I wont make fun of this kid I dont want to get made fun of the star wars nerd" and the kid who got beat up will forever be known as the kid who got beat up by the Star Wars Kid.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2003, 03:28:16 PM »
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My point was that school is 12 years of pure hell.

You said it brother.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2003, 04:31:03 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2003, 05:04:15 PM »
Alright, you know what?  I am shredding my earlier claims of not posting any more in this thread, because I am seriously pissed off.  As I had feared, this got personal really fast.

I have not been fed with a silver spoon ever in my life.  I worked my ass off to get where I am.  I never backed down, I never retreated.  Let me tell you a few things about me.

1)  I am a genius.  I am not trying to be arrogant, but I am distinctly above average intelligence.  Public school systems go by at an incredibly slow pace, even with the higher levelled courses.  It's not like the public school system is a perfect mold for me.
2)  I was raised for the first 15 years of my life in a little rat hole called Pink Mountain.  Look for it in a Canadian atlas.  You will see my home (Brady Ranch) listed as a historical location.  For 2 years of that time, I moved to different cities to go to a real school when my sister was in high school.  (Pink Mountain had a 1 room school ranging from grades K - 9).  For the first year, everything was great.  I left my only friend back in Pink Mountain, but I made new ones.  The next year wasn't so great.  I was forced to move to a different town yet again, and being a shy person, I didn't have the strength left to make new friends.  I shunned the people around me, and I spent a year in complete misery.  That was 4th grade.
3)  For grades 5 - 8, I was forced to work on them through homeschooling, as the population of Pink Mountain was no longer big enough to support a school, not even a 1 room one.  Grades 5, 6, and 7 went by ok, but grade 8 took me 2 years to finish.  I was alone in the world with myself and my parents.  I was rapidly losing all motivation and desire to live.  My Mom recognized that, and sent me to Taber (Where Taber corn comes from), to finish up my school.
4)  Grade 9 was spent living with my youngest sister who had recently married, and was living in Taber.  However, we didn't get along, and I spent every day of that year fighting with her.  She is an intolerable person to be around for an extended period, and I would always get in trouble for eating food in the house, even though I had no money or food of my own.  My solution was to simply not eat.  I survived that year pretty much on milk and rationed supplies of whatever my Mom would send me in the mail, as she didn't check the fluid levels in the milk containers.  That year also marked the worst grades in my life, and I had even more social problems than in 4th grade, as I had been completely out of contact with people for the last 5 years.
5)  For Grade 10, I came back to Pink Mountain.  I couldn't handle things anymore, and didn't even bother touching my school books for that year.  I grew increasingly suicidal, and my Mom gave me one last chance at freedom.  I was sent back to Taber again to live with my oldest sister.  We actually got along quite well, and only had one or two minor spats in the entire time I was there, which was 3 years for grades 10 - 12.  My social relations grew steadily better, as I met a girl who changed my life.  I met her on my first day of class, and I knew I wanted her right then.  I spent the next 3 years trying to improve myself enough to be worthy of her.  Ultimately, my shyness took hold, and after graduation, she left my life forever.
6)  In grade 10 or 11, (I forget which), there was a shooting at my high school.  (WR Myers High School), but I was not involved.  However, a guy I knew was killed, and a few of my closer friends were shot at.  It didn't bother me in the slightest then, and it doesn't bother me now.  However, your attitude concerning it bothers me greatly, which is why I am bringing this up.
7)  When I graduated high school, I was the nice age of 19 years old.  The month after graduation, I turned 20.

That was my school life.  I never once asked for any kind of special education.  I endured it all, and I am a stronger person for doing so.  

I may not be any better than the "jocks who get shot up at school shootings", but what the hell does that mean?  I certainly don't empathize with freaking psychos who feel that they need to shoot people because they gave them a hard time.  Where the hell is your compassion for your fellow man, and your maturity when you are sympathising with murderers?  I even mentioned earlier in this thread that I was in a school with a school shooting.  Where was your great sense of maturity when discussing how righteous the shooters were in such incidents, as of course, they were "victims of society".

Do I care about other people?  Maybe.  I am really not sure.  I do know that actions speak louder than words though, and I don't see you doing anything short of blaming the victims of the shootings for making fun of the guy who shot them.

Being born disadvantaged is your own responsibility to fix.  Not everyone is going to graduate high school, and if they did, it would be meaningless.  A high school diploma means many things.

1)  You are capable of dealing with massive amounts of stress.
2)  Your common sense and problem solving ability is good enough for most non-professional jobs.
3)  You are able to function normally as a part of a larger group.

If you don't have one of those 3 things, you aren't meant to graduate.  Special classes takes some of the meaning away from the diploma.  Not having a high school diploma doesn't mean that your life is over, it just restricts the number of occupations you may choose from.  Not everyone is suited to a professional job of any sort, so I really don't see the problem with that.  You don't need a diploma to flip burgers at McDonalds.  You do need a diploma to have a management position of some kind.  You need a degree to design aircraft carriers.

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2003, 06:10:40 PM »
So what are you trying to prove? That you got through it all? That's great, but what about the people that CAN'T? Your life may have been tough, but you got through it. Why shouldn't the people who can't do it on their own? All I'm asking is a little compassion for your fellow man- just because a kid is born with down syndrome is no reason detach him from society, to let him simmer in a cest pool of human failures. Schoo lis not an obstacle course, school is a place where you're given the help you need to suceed. I understand what you're saying, that people who are disadvantaged need to overcome that disadvantage, and I agree with you. But just because someone is unable to overcome that disadvantage is no reason to ridicule them further. Do you get where I'm coming from? Life is not a competition, and when your fellow man stumbles on the way, you don't just leave him there.

And i'm not blaming anyone here- I in NO way condone what school shooters have done. I believe that they shouldn't get worked up over ridicule, like you, but that if they DO get worked up to get them so help. However, that also doesn't justify anything people did to push these kids- they're obviously not altogether there and when they have hundreds of people pushing them everyday SOMETHING'S going to happen. I'm not saying they deserved it, just that they brought it upon themselves. And then for them to act like they're the innocent ones is downright gross.

Bottom line is that not everyone can overcome adversity like you can, and to shun these people is wrong.  
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2003, 06:46:51 PM »
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My point was that school is 12 years of pure hell.

No it isnt. Its however you make it. I think school is great because you get to meet and talk to people, while learning at the same time.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2003, 06:49:52 PM »
well i learnt nothing at school, but that was mostly due to my completel lack of motivation and a 'oh yeah thats good enough' attitude ;P the social aspect was great, i was far from popular, but i had a pretty big group of friends.

and now ive moved away and have no friends ohwell

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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2003, 08:07:05 PM »
Reading this thread was interesting. I have sympathies for both Grey Ninja's and Mouse Clicker's arguments. A few years ago I started thinking about something similar to this, and I still don't know what I really believe. The strange thing is both Mouse Clicker's and Grey Ninja's arguments fit mine to a tee.  
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2003, 08:42:05 PM »
Wow, I didn't know that was released without his permission... I feel sorry for him. *wants to severely beat those 4 kids* I've done retarded things before in public and taped them, but nothing ever got out like that. You're right, that is why school shootings happen. I've considered it...
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2003, 09:40:23 PM »
"well i learnt nothing at school, but that was mostly due to my completel lack of motivation and a 'oh yeah thats good enough' attitude ;P the social aspect was great, i was far from popular, but i had a pretty big group of friends."

Piac its great to know schools are the similar(piss poor low resource government controlled crap) the world over...but then again you Aussies graduate at a younger age.....

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