Topic: New article on Nintendo´s future! Must-read!!!

[AgentSeven]

Game systems that play DVD's and have other "bells and whistles" are good for kids and casual gamers, that's for sure.
They are especially suited for those who are unfamiliar with the qualities of a good game.

I don't want to spend time using my game console to watch a movie! I want to use it to play great games.  This is what consoles are suppossed to do in the first place.  How is that so hard to understand?  I know the DVD functions on these systems can be good for kids, who aren't likely to have their own DVD player.  (I know I didn't have one)

However, I'm an adult with my own money.  If I wan't a decent DVD player, I'm sure not going to turn to my X-box or my Ps2.  The DVD functions of both are a complete freakin joke, especially the Ps2.   Also, it's been common knowledge for quite some time that playing DVD's on a Ps2 causes the systems to have an early demise.  I have a decent DVD player, one far better than either the Ps2 or the X-box.  Plus any $50 DVD player will play CD-r,CDrw, DVDr's and the console versions do not.  

Still I will say this.  Nintendo could go with the "extra fucntions," and it would probably help their bottom line, somewhat.  In the end it will still be the games that make them the most money.  And truthfully, I don't think Big N' would ever dishonor one of it's machines by sticking a low grade DVD player up it's @$$.      

[Hostile Creation]

I thought it'd be a good idea (dunno if it's possible, though) to have an add-on that allows DVDs for the next console.  They'd give it away free with the system, but they could still sell it seperately (say if someone bought a used system on ebay or something without the DVD thing).   I doubt it'd work, and reviewers would make a ton of fun of it (especially EGM), but it might make money, theoretically speaking.

Or maybe they could just include it.  Heck, I don't care.  I have two DVD players already.

[thecubedcanuck]

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Game systems with multiple functions are a SCAM to cover the fact that there are no good games on the system in the first place. For the first year my Ps2 was nothing more than a glorified, over priced, ultra crappy DVD player. To this day the vast majority of Ps2 games are garbage. Compared to my other systems, my ps2 gets little or no use. If it wasn't for GTA, I wouldn't own one at all.

Could you possibly make a more biased comment?

There are at least 50 great games available for the PS2, games that are as good as any on the Gamecube. They may not be your cup of tea, but to say there are no good games is a very foolish statement.
Also, multiple functions are far from being a scam. What is wrong with a unit having more than one purpose? The only reason you are so against it is because Nintendo didnt go with it. What about the PC? It does way more than play games and many here think its that cats ass for games. All adding additional features does is increase the number of people your product will appeal to. Add in the fact that your 2 main competitors have added features such as DVD players abd you give the appearance of having the sub par system, the one that doesnt match the standard. Adding a dvd player would in no way at all make Nintendo's games any differant, so I cant see why it would be of anything other than a benifit.

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I don't want to spend time using my game console to watch a movie! I want to use it to play great games. This is what consoles are suppossed to do in the first place. How is that so hard to understand?

Yes, but a lot of people do want to watch movies. What about people who dont have nice recievers and are forced to run their console directly to a TV, dont you think it would be a lot easier for them if they could simply use it to watch a movie as well as play games without having to unhook it all the time or buy a bunch of splitters?
GAmes may have been the sole purpose of consoles at one time, but like anything else they have evolved. Cars never use to have cupholders either, but they do come in handy now.

[Mario]

Id rather pay $320 for a Gamecube and a separate DVD Player, than pay $320 for just a PS2. (australian dollars)

Do you have a problem with that cubedcanuck?

[thecubedcanuck]

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Also, Canuck, all I see you do in every thread you post is to bash Nintendo. Why? Don't you have anything better to do? Dont you have any friends? Can't you bash Nintendo over at some sony site? It's clear no one here agrees with you, yet you just keep coming up with more flame bait. You must be a desperately lonely person, I'm sorry to say, Maybe you should actually buy a GameCube, instead of just complaining.

Wow, you must be a rocket scientists to have figured all that out on your own.

First of all I dont bash nintendo, if you actually READ and COMPREHEND what I have said you would already know that.
I have plenty of great friends, and you dont get to be one of them. haha
Yes, MANY here dont agree with me, but that is the point of discussion, so people can read and evaluate both sides of the story instead of just a bunch of fan boy rhetoric. My comments are far from flame bait, again please try to read and comprehend.
Desperate and lonely, not quite, try again.
Already have a gamecube thanks, and own 19 games for it.

So have a nice day, and please feel free to call me names again in the future.

[mouse_clicker]

While I agree with what you're saying about DVD playback in console, cubed, you can't claim complete immunity to being partial. You have to admit even you, so unbiased as you are, are slandering Nintendo at nearly every chance you get. I don't get people who only stick on one side of the issue.  

[thecubedcanuck]

Mouse clicker

That isnt true at all. There are many things I like about Nintendo, and many things said that I agree with. I see no need to join in on topics I agree 100% with as I dont think it really promotes discussion.
I own all three consoles and believe all three have their merits and short comings, I am in no way, shape or form here to simply trash nintendo. I have been a nintendo user since the beginning, and as long as there are a few games from them I like, I will keep buying systems. I however would love to see them become a little more open to the general public.

[mouse_clicker]

That's all fine and and dandy, but then why haven't you seen a single good thing about Nintendo this entire discussion? You bash their games, their business practices, and almost anyone who defends them. That doesn't really ring of unbiasedness, if you ask me. You could very well be impartial, but after reading your comments in this thread one would think differently.

[Hostile Creation]

I can understand what cubed is doing.  If people are making something look really bad and there's no one to take up the defense for that thing, I'll occassionally do that, even if I don't particularly like the thing in question.  I've done it for the Xbox on occassion, even though it's not my favorite system.  That may sort of be what he's doing.  I dunno, I'm going to go listen to music.

Heh, for example, I just defended cubed.  I think he's all right, but he's not my favorite person in the world (no offense, you're okay, but I hate to say it's true).

[thecubedcanuck]

Hostile, I am great and you know it

Mouse, there are a lot of things I really like about the cube, from the great controllers, especially the wavebird, which the greatest controller ever made. The system itself is great in that it has next to no load times and is extremely compact and well built. I love games like ED , RE , waverace, timesplitters, ssx tricky, madden,  tiger woods, and Metroid prime which I have been playing more of lately.

So you see my problem without nintendo is not that I dont like them, I just disagree with their stratagy in an ever growing number of cases. I just wish they would be more open to ideas that dont always come from their own heads.

Hopefully this helps a bit.

[Luciferschild]

Guess what, I'm not gonna gripe about nintendo this time. I'm gonna go play the game I bought. Until I get tired of playing that game I will be a happy gamer. Besides, you already know what I think.  

[Hostile Creation]

You're right cubed, you are great.  I'm sorry I ever doubted you

[SC5]

Wow, nothing has changed at all, still the same Mouse_Clicker, nonjagged and cubedcanuck of old, eh?

Basically, the Gamecube's f*cked now. As much as I love the goddamn system, I don't see it selling bucket loads any time soon. Mario didn't do it, Metroid didn't do it, Zelda didn't do it and Mario Kart surely won't either. All Nintendo can do is please it's current fanbase and perhaps raise some eyebrows along the way, but the people who haven't already gotten a gamecube for the games out now wont get it for the games coming up in the future.
Maybe I'm generalizing, Mario Kart, RE4 and Killer7 could boost console sales a bit, but I'm not forseeing any huge peaks in gamecube's sales. Even if Gamecube is my favorite system this gen and there is none other I'd rather own, it's basically passed it's prime. Xbox and PS2 owners might get second thoughts when they see FF:CC and MGS:Twin Snakes, but they wont jump ship (or even share deck) if they haven't already. And no, connectivity will NOT help either.


Next gen is where it's at, trust me. I'm expecting big things for N5.

First and formost, Yamauchi was around for Gamecube, now it's Iwata, and the recently released GBA SP leaves little to the imagination of Nintendo's next console's "style." I'm thinking along the lines of Nexus actually.
How the console will look is extremely important. They need to let go of the indigo. Seriously, pay that guy who made those nexus prints for his idea and use it. I trust Nintendo in being capable to add the best hardware possible under a set amount of cash, it's one thing they're good at. As for the slogan, make it something along the lines of "Hardcore gamers' only option," but not as retarded. Backwards compatability is a major plus as well, but not as necesary as some might make it out to be.

Second, the head start is a great idea, but if they don't take COMPLETE advantage of it, they're looking at another Dreamcast on the shelves while the streets are full of hype about PS3 and Xbox 2. If they release it a full year before Sony and MS's next consoles, they need to make the public forget about the competition. Showing off N5's hardware capabilities while PS3 and Xbox aren't ready to display more than a spec sheet will be a huge plus. Because Nintendo only needs to manage to surpass this current gen's hardware significantely, just enough to "wow" the public to graphic quality they haven't seen on TV yet. All of this while Sony and Microsoft are still busy with R&D (depsite the fact that their respective hardware might be superior, if the people buy into N5 first, they won't care about the rest when they come out, just look at PS2). Of course, this means loads of advertisment. Ads on TV made the NES known to the public and firmely stated itself as the "second coming" for the videogame industry and N5 deserves no less. Although it without the 3 point:

A wide variety of quality lauch titles! Which should included (but not limited to): Final Fantasy/Chrono Trigger/Secret of Mana/SOMETHING from Square Enix or a full blown Pokemon RPG/MMORPG (hey, we gotta sell this baby in Japan too), Too Human (which should be hyped up to hell and back, really something to grab casuals), A classic Nintendo license (Mario and the like or SSBM2 will do), all of the latest sport titles from EA with graphical upgrades, a realistic racer with a good presentation and any realistic/mature games to add to the list would be a plus (Capcom titles, ect.). All of that = the "PS3 who? Xbox 2 what?" impression long enough for N5 to create a fair userbase before the competition hits, which will eat up atleast SOME of the potential PS2/Xbox2 constumers.

And I'm being pretty generous, that's the absolute minimum Nintendo needs to have to really make an impact. They better be ready with that or equivalent to it.

A good kick in the butt is just what the doctor ordered for Nintendo during next gen. And even if it doesn't sell ALL that well (compared to PS3 that is), I'm sure it will have a lasting impact, and if they released it a full holiday season before the rest of the competition, than I think we're looking at a sure hit.

   

[Artimus]

One of the interesting things about this, is that Nintendo cares more about the video game industry than anyone. Microsoft's business is mainly computers, Sony's is entertainment and music, Ninendo's is video games. They care, because it's what they have.

[Bloodworth]

This huge flamewar is going down.  

Funny thing is, these are the same complaints that have been around for years.  Nintendo addressed every major qualm people have with the company during their press conference at E3, and are addressing them all (except for online which still isn't profitable no matter how much YOU  want it.  I personally don't care about online gaming, and don't know many people that do).  Nintendo is changing, but if people expect that to happen overnight or for Nintendo to abandon Mario and Zelda for games full of movies, they're sorely mistaken.