Author Topic: New article on Nintendo´s future! Must-read!!! (Read 32812 times)

Gamebasher · « **on:** July 04, 2003, 10:26:42 AM »

I just went over some quite disturbing news, during my usual news-search on all the major websites dealing with the GameCube. On n-sider.com I found the so far most compelling Nintendo editorial to date! It explains in frightening detail the exact problem Nintendo has, and what will happen if they don´t fix it and fast! Funny, because several of my own posts in recent months here in this forum has dealt with exactly the same thing.

Go read it for yourselves, and then call or write Nintendo, or show up on their doorstep demanding action now, guys! This is a quite serious situation... If anyone in this forum has some way of getting this article´s message to Nintendo´or at least get a Nintendo insider to read it - it would be very very good for Nintendo indeed.

And please...no fanboy rants, ok? This editorial is to the point and is NOT exaggerated!

Here´s the link: www.n-sider.com/index_content.php?page=features/nintendomojo.htm.

Gamebasher.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2003, 10:41:58 AM »

That article said it all.

I have nothing at all to add.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2003, 10:57:45 AM »

Bla, blah, blah- it's the same crap we've been hearing all along. Most of it's true, but don't go praising N-Sider for bringing it to you how it is because if you haven't realised by now that Nintendo needs to get their act together business wise, you're an idiot. N-Sider of course made a whole bunch of good points, but nothing new- just the same basic lack of 3rd party stuff. I'd like to see a truly original angle on the situation for once.

Gamebasher · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2003, 11:06:11 AM »

Mouse-clicker, you´re making it seem like that article isn´t important. If you write "blah, blah, blah" exclamations, do you think the editorial will be deemed serious reading by the people who come in right after you to see what this is all about?

Just try to give some respect to the people, who write such great information. Even though you may know of this, a lot of people don´t! They, like me, are concerned for the future of Nintendo, so let´s all give this some serious attention, OK?

Gamebasher.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2003, 11:12:19 AM »

Sorry if I was a bit sarcastic, but I don't think you should be hailing this editorial as great when it's saying the same thing a thousand other editorials have. I DO agree with it, though- it raises excellent, albeit unoriginal, points on Ninendo's stance, something that they need to fix as soon as possible. I do whole heartedly agree that Nintendo gives 3rd-parties the cold shoulder way too often and needs to really build good relationships with as many as possible because Nintendo can support themselves forever. I just think that this article wasn't much different from any other I've read on the matter.

Bartman3010 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2003, 11:34:36 AM »

They're already promoting their 3rd party titles. Hell they even show off 007 Nightfire in some of their kiosk movies. Along with some other titles. This website said nothing new, and its probably years old. If not, the writer is slower than beans.

They already promote 3rd party titles. In fact, a recent commercial has Soul Calibur 2, even though they're promoting the fact that Link is in it, its the only commercial out there showing off Soul Calibur 2.

DRJ · « **Reply #6 on:** July 04, 2003, 01:14:47 PM »

All this article did was piss me off. First they slam Nintendo for taking extra time to perfect their games and missing deadlines, then they turn right around and slam them for completing games on time, but not taking some extra time to perfect them.

They slam Nintendo for trying something new like connectivity with handheld, and slam them for not trying something new like online gaming (which by the way is not a success for any console yet). It actually called Nintendo arrogant for promoting things like connectivity and new graphics like in zelda ww.

Nintendo makes great games, and they make a great system to play them. They have their problems which they are addressing. The GCN got a bad image from the start, but steps are being made, and the next generation should be better for them.

As for third party support, if a new game is made well, it will sell well. If a well known game is released it will sell well. Maybe it will sell better on ps2, but they have 40 million more people with systems out there so naturally it will sell better, but companies can still make money with games on GCN.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2003, 02:00:58 PM »

DRJ, online gaming is by no means new.

I didn't even bother reading the article. I've seen plenty of it (too much, actually) on this board.

DRJ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2003, 02:48:15 PM »

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DRJ, online gaming is by no means new.

It is new to consoles. There have been some online games for a console, but very few. It is by no means mainstream yet. I also would prefer games be played over a lan since you can play online for free. I dont want to pay a monthy fee just to play a game that I already paid for.

The Doc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2003, 02:57:55 PM »

This article is more then old news, it is annoying and repetitive. Nintendo understands what Nintendo needs to do to better themselves, and they are taking those steps already. First of all, let me start out by saying that online gaming for consoles has not caught on at all; Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on Xbox live, and then editors poke fun at Nintendo for not entering the online market when that market is not even a profitable one right now to begin with. Second, Nintendo has made partnerships with many 3rd parties, and those partnerships will help Nintendo in the next generation. To sum things up, the article does have some valid points, however it is nothing to we have not heard before.

The Doc

Artimus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2003, 03:54:57 PM »

"Nintendo's position however, gives it the advantage to release unknown games such as Animal Crossing but also the arrogance to promote connectivity or expect gamers to appreciate the new graphical style of Zelda."

Arrogant!? Um...no? How about they did it to create the best Zelda game in a long while. Idiotic statement.

"While not an admirable face of the casual gamer, a great way to his or her wallet is through his or her eyes [or a Pokemon sequel. Those little critters always sell.]"

I thought Nintendo couldn't afford to be kiddie?!

"Gamers today want edgy, realistic games. Nintendo could expand its own audience if it were to spend more time on the production value - graphics, music and game length - of its own games rather than releasing Nintendo 64 ports and remakes."

WHAT N64 ports and remakes!? The only one I can think of is Ocarina. Did I miss a generation?

"Ultimately, Nintendo's entire image would require a makeover."

I thought they needed more 3rd party support...

" But they let Sega do it...and of course Sega can't do anything right."

Except make what was JUST called an "incredible RPG".

"Speaking of which, the Nintendo 64 was heaven for Wrestling games. It was heaven for the First-Person-Shooter. It was heaven for Platformers. PlayStation 2 and Xbox have all but taken that away while Nintendo stands by idly watching."

Umm...last time I checked, Nintendo still owned platformers...

"And if not, the world isn't going to end, nor will dolphins become extinct, but Nintendo may very well itself, need to go third-party."

I thought this was an article about what Nintendo is doing wrong, not about Nintendo turning third party! And HELLO, if they're making money, why go third party!?

"As long as Nintendo can keep third-parties satisfied and continue building healthy relationships, we may see a happy ending to this story afterall. It's only a matter of time before the timer on the oven beeps, and our Ninten-dough becomes something more."

Huh!?

Ok, so obviously it's a stupid article. It's an ANGRY article, and you should never write while angry.

rpglover · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2003, 04:35:14 PM »

i never like to agree with stuff like this but i am going to have to
i agree with mouse clicker that the article was written well, but it just outlined the exact same points we have been hearing for a while
the problem i have with third party games is that they are not always good
i only buy games that i like the best- most ea games are good, ubi soft is good, konami, capcom, factor 5, and many others
i think that is where a problem comes in as well- people sometimes know that certain games are bad so they do not buy them
but mostly it is nintendo's fault for not pushing these games much more
but i do see a change now- just recently nintendo has been pushing commercials highlighting games due to release later this year
thats the type of ads nintendo needs to do- push their games and others into the advertising world before they come out to generate hype
and that is basically what the article said- the part about brute force- its an alright game, its fun but nothing too special, but the hype and advertising microsoft pumped into it made it the fastest selling xbox game so far (in the first couple of weeks in sales)
i just hope nintendo keeps up this change and hopefully does not lag behind on their next console launch

ReallyScrued · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2003, 05:00:05 PM »

artimus u just said everything on my mind....and now im so sry i sent an email to nintendo...I JUST LOVE THEM TOO MUCH IS THAT A CRIME!!! OH I WISH I HAD MY DEAR DAYS ON N64 BAK WHERE WE PLAY WRESLTEMANIA 2000, PD AND GDEYE ALONG WITH THE OCCASIONAL SSB TILL THE MOON TURNED BLUE!!!

Ichrider · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2003, 07:45:59 PM »

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Originally posted by: ReallyScrued
artimus u just said everything on my mind....and now im so sry i sent an email to nintendo...I JUST LOVE THEM TOO MUCH IS THAT A CRIME!!! OH I WISH I HAD MY DEAR DAYS ON N64 BAK WHERE WE PLAY WRESLTEMANIA 2000, PD AND GDEYE ALONG WITH THE OCCASIONAL SSB TILL THE MOON TURNED BLUE!!!

Amen to that! I remember wasting hours of my life playing Goldeneye and Smash Bros. until it was hours into the night. As for the article, it contained nothing new. We all know that stuff and frankly it's not fair to criticize Nintendo. They can't help it if they continue to create the best games on the system. They should be settting an example for others and not deterring other companies in that manner. If you want to make your game compete, then the third parties need to take it up a notch. Simple as that.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2003, 08:14:49 PM »

"Funding remakes rather than new ideas doesn't bode well for Nintendo's future."

How is Nintendo not making new ideas? How was Pikmin not new? How was Luigi's Mansion not new? How was Metroid Prime (GAME OF THE YEAR!) not new? Miamoto says the next Mario game will be VERY innovative- meaning new. This guy needs to get his facts straight.

"There isn't the same level of demand for the kind of software Nintendo supplies as there used to be. Nintendo has changed its attitude since the days of the Nintendo 64. The Nintendo 64 was plagued by constant software delays and sparse releases. This was one of the first things Nintendo's new president, Satoru Iwata, has set out to solve for the GameCube and future Nintendo consoles. Previously, Nintendo would ignore deadlines and important sales windows to achieve perfection in its games. Nintendo now recognizes the lack of consistent game releases as a mistake.

But now it is making yet another, new mistake. This generation, Nintendo has become far more disciplined in its release of software. Unfortunately this comes at the expense of some of the waxed shine - like aged wine - that we have come to expect from Nintendo's games. The games don't feel as complete or as balanced as they did in the past. That perfection of former generations has been lost."

These two paragraphs are completely paradoxial. What does this guy want?

"Nintendo should have been pushing the recent release of Splinter Cell, but instead Microsoft and Sony got a hold of it. Nintendo should've pushed the heck out of Skies of Arcadia Legends. It's a shame too. Skies is an incredible RPG that the other consoles don't have. But they let Sega do it...and of course Sega can't do anything right."

Didn't he just say that Nintendo shouldn't be pushing for ports?

"I see all these commericials on TV for Xbox's Brute Force. Regardless of whether or not the game is actually any good, that image is what is helping the Xbox gain a lead over the GameCube. A steady stream of edgy games could remove the GameCube from this rut (in PAL territories and North America anyway)."

This statement, I completely agree with.

"And if not, the world isn't going to end, nor will dolphins become extinct, but Nintendo may very well itself, need to go third-party. Going back to its roots and concentrating on games, not market requests, may be the only solution. Even then - take a look at Sega for an example - not all of its problems will be solved. Such drama."

Ok, Nintendo has taken steps so that it doesn't lose $2 billion on it's console unlike another console. Nintendo is MAKING MONEY on it's console. It is MAKING MONEY on their games. Why would they stop production of something they are MAKING MONEY ON? Not concentrating on market requests? He just said to watch what Sony and Microsoft do because they go with the market. And the Sega comment? Sega tried it's hardest to make it's customers happy in every way- pushing hard for online gaming, having the most powerful console of it's time, and providing many games, which is perfectly fine, but THAT is the reason Sega is where it is now. If Nintendo did all that stuff, then yeah, Nintendo would be out of business, but they're NOT, yet that's what you want them to do? And on a side note, what's up with dolphins becomming extict?

DarkView · « **Reply #15 on:** July 04, 2003, 09:08:31 PM »

I really didnt like this article, I agreed with a lot of its points, but it seemed to be too much of a Nintendo bash fest. Towards the end they basically wanted Nintendo to stop being Nintendo and start being trendy.
They are forgetting the reasons why people like Nintendo in the first place, because they offer games that arent souless money makers. I turn on a PS2 and I know Im going to see some badcore flavour of the week game all my friends are playing, but when I turn on the GameCube I expect something Im going to want to play again.
What this article suggests (At points), is that Nintendo should be making games that we buy on impulse then throw away when the next comes along.
If Nintendo did do that, it would probably just end up making them look like posers. Like when your perants try to sound cool. It would probably end up killing Nintendo since the people who love Nintendo now would hate it, and the people its trying to impress would laugh at it.
I agree that they need to do something about 3rd party support, but the problem lies in the fact that they have to make good games at the same time. They cant simply drop everything to impress third parties like Sony or Microsoft can.
They could really get behind 3rd party games, but that would mean they couldnt put as much behind their own games. Its a tough place to be.
The other reason I dont like the article is they make it sound like its Nintendos fualt they are in this situation. Naturally part of the blame falls on them, but what the article fails to mention is that Nintendo lost a huge market share due to PS1 pirating. Every man and his dog had a PS1 for the cheap games, and thus it became cool to have a sony. They make it sound like Nintendo has just been sitting back and letting cracks form in its empire. Nintendo have been trying to patch up the cracks, but its a hard battle to win.
Anyway, Im ranting, so I'll just wrap it up here.

VideoGamerX · « **Reply #16 on:** July 04, 2003, 09:49:18 PM »

He does fail to realize one point that stuck out to me in particular. In saying that Nintendo does things that we don't ask them to do (the cel-shading in Zelda), he's talking about the market interest and basically what it takes to sell games. If it's one thing Shigeru Miyamoto is concerned with, it's the marketability of a game. One of the main factors behind cel-shading the latest Zelda game was to garner attention and essentially cause it to sell. The only people who didn't see that game coming after the cel-shaind debacle broke out were living under a rock or something.

Whether Shigeru's plan really made a difference in sales is hard to judge. Marketability of his game ideas is important, though. His aim is to appeal whether we realize the final product appeals to us or not. It gains our interest somehow. I think most of us would agree.

Lecter · « **Reply #17 on:** July 04, 2003, 11:43:22 PM »

"It changes each generation. Despite the company's 20 years of experience in the industry, Nintendo has simply failed to evolve. It's still stuck in a mind set of "yesterday"."

No offense to anyone on this board, everyone that is writing 2-3 paragraphs saying the comments written by N-Sider are totally wrong is 100% stupid. Nintendo hasn't evolved and that is TRUE. Same games every system release Mario and Zelda with just updated graphics and new things. Nintendo hasn't taken any chances. People say OH Viewtiful Joe is gonna rock! Yeah it probably will but the majority of gamers out there wont buy it, and as good of a game it is, sales wont do so great in the US. Same with Metal Gear Solid and FFCC. Those are just a few games you cant expect total change with 3 games. Nintendo hasn't pumped out the big titles and if you say they have, wheres the proof in SALES. Yes I love Nintendo and grew up on it, but I hate the direction they are going and I know people see it, they just dont want to admit it. The GameCube isnt even close to a failure but its not a true Nintendo system.

Mario · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2003, 12:00:22 AM »

Nintendo makes the best games. Nuff said.

Hemmorrhoid · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2003, 04:30:25 AM »

Come on you people, dont bash the hell out of that article. It contained many true points, and seeing it in that perspective the situation is quite alarming for Nintendo.

BUT, whats important is that pretty much all of the aspects criticized are presumably being tackled by Nintendo right now, which you see in their more aggressive aims for GCN2.

So both of you those that agree or dont with the author, just dont take it so seriously.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2003, 05:31:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: Lecter
"It changes each generation. Despite the company's 20 years of experience in the industry, Nintendo has simply failed to evolve. It's still stuck in a mind set of "yesterday"."

No offense to anyone on this board, everyone that is writing 2-3 paragraphs saying the comments written by N-Sider are totally wrong is 100% stupid. Nintendo hasn't evolved and that is TRUE. Same games every system release Mario and Zelda with just updated graphics and new things. Nintendo hasn't taken any chances. People say OH Viewtiful Joe is gonna rock! Yeah it probably will but the majority of gamers out there wont buy it, and as good of a game it is, sales wont do so great in the US. Same with Metal Gear Solid and FFCC. Those are just a few games you cant expect total change with 3 games. Nintendo hasn't pumped out the big titles and if you say they have, wheres the proof in SALES. Yes I love Nintendo and grew up on it, but I hate the direction they are going and I know people see it, they just dont want to admit it. The GameCube isnt even close to a failure but its not a true Nintendo system.

I'm not angry or anything, I just want you to know that this guy wrote some things that are completely pardoxial. He expects Nintendo to change to fit the market, but he expects them not to be like Sony and Microsoft. Yes some of his points are valid, I quoted one in my above post, but many of the things he said can't be done, simply because he turned around and said not to do them in the next paragraph.

Darc Requiem · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2003, 07:45:50 AM »

Yes thats my problem with article is that the guy is paradoxial. He does more waffling on positions than a presidential candidate. Instead saying I think they should do "A" and move on to the next point. He says Nintendo is trouble because they do "A" and they should do be "B" Then later on the article he would criticize Nintendo for not doing more "A." Thats the complete format for his whole article. He can't have his cake and eat it too. Pick a position for God's sake.

Darc Requiem

Artimus · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2003, 07:57:49 AM »

Yes, exactly. He makes no real point.

WesDawg · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2003, 09:07:57 AM »

I thought the article was pretty hard on Nintendo's third-party stance too. BigN pretty much dedicated E3 this year to 3rd party stuff,and they've been working hard to get titles from Square Capcom, Namco, and Sega at lest since this consle war started. I just think it's pretty tough criticism to act like they been doing nothing. Like they're oblivious to the thrid party problem or somethin'. Anyways, I read this story like a week ago, and I didn't wanna go back , so maybe I'm being hard on the guy, but I can't really remember.

XMasterLinkX · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:35:31 AM »

Listen.. N Sider is not official Nintendo news, and nor will I believe that Nintendo will go third party, because they won't... It is people like you that believe low kinds of opinions that that. I don't care what N Sider, Gamepro, or anything, except Nintendo Power, which is the official Nintendo magazine, and official Nintendo facts are stated in there. I have been into Video Games my whole life. And a little rumor from N Sider is not gonna hurt me. Nintendo it self would of said something about its third party support but they did not. I have been hearing rumors about it all along, and i still do, but just because you hear rumors for a long time, doesnt mean something bad will happen. Case Closed, your wrong, I am right...

XMasterLinkX(The Real Link)

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