Author Topic: New article on Nintendo´s future! Must-read!!! (Read 32816 times)

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:52:14 AM »

Guys........just let MarioKart hit stores, then see if Nintendo is "in trouble", ok?

There are so many good games coming out I can't even count them on two hands. Now try and do that with any other system, no really try, I dare you. Nintendo is doing fine...

XMasterLinkX · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2003, 12:12:00 PM »

Nice Job Don'tHate742, finally someone who knows what there talking about. You have to know when to say something smart, and Nintendo is fine as it is. There will be all of the original games that would of came out already sooner or later, so wait until they do and you see what Nintendo says about all of this, and what happens too all of the other systems.. Thank You...

XMasterLinkX(The Real Link)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2003, 12:12:28 PM »

Lecter, first of all, they have taken plenty of chances. And second of all, few others in the industry have (name some, if you disagree). I daresay Nintendo takes more risks than any other companies in business.

From what I read out of the quotes in Artimus's post, this guy is an imbecile. You people are saying that he's making good points, but I fail to see more than two or three. He is extremely opinionated (and in the case of facts, often wrong), and it seems all he's doing is bashing Nintendo as much as he can while still trying to make the article seem official. The few good points I see are about third party support and advertisement; both of which Nintendo is working on. Also, in the third party support bit, he mentions that they're supporting three games, and that supposedly is not enough. Nintendo is obviously supporting much more than that (note, he has listed one of the Capcom 5, but didn't bother mentioning the others). What I saw about advertising is right, Nintendo does need more, but they're starting to do more.

All in all, this article wasted my time. I'm going to go play Wind Waker.

Smadte · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2003, 12:49:53 PM »

HAHAH! Man, You people who think that Nintendo's in trouble need to get a clue!

Nintendo Gamecube · « **Reply #29 on:** July 05, 2003, 01:40:06 PM »

They can take a bottle and suck on it. Same news over and over.

Just keep ond demanding games and Nintendo will keep on supplying them. Simple as that.

Mannypon · « **Reply #30 on:** July 05, 2003, 02:50:26 PM »

"No offense to anyone on this board, everyone that is writing 2-3 paragraphs saying the comments written by N-Sider are totally wrong is 100% stupid. Nintendo hasn't evolved and that is TRUE."

thats true but I dont see no reason for nintendo to evolve. Nintendo is the pinacle of a video game company. If you look at the big picture you can understand. Nintendo puts out money making systems and money making games. Practically everything they do is top notch and I mean it in the gameplay sence which is what really matters. Just look at sony, sony is nothing without its 3rd party support and let me not even get into microsoft who's only chance of competing is buyin out companies to fill in their gaps.Sony and microsoft basically just build a canvas for everyone to work on. Sony doesnt make much great games with the exception of gran turismo and I cant even think of any microsoft developed game that is worth mentioning. Nintendo doesnt evolve? How does anyone figure that when they were the first company to establish shoulder buttons on a controller, 4 controller ports on a system, rumble support on controls and analog sticks. I aint completely sure bout all this but I'm almost completely posotive nintendo was first on all these fronts. Nintendo practically invented true platformers and then reinvented it again with mario 64, bringin everyone truly into the 3rd dimension of gaming. If nintendo isnt evolving then I need to look up the word's definition to see whats goin wrong here.

alvinaloy · « **Reply #31 on:** July 05, 2003, 03:21:11 PM »

Lecter, no one is saying that the N sider writer is totally wrong. They did admit that some points are valid. They're just saying that he takes too many too different stands while he's bashing N. I mean, they bashed Nintendo for not being creative, then bashed them about for being too creative... I mean ain't that slapping himself?

Nintendo knows when it needs to evolve, not us. Besides, different companies employ different stretegies and policies. For Sony, it's 3rd company support. For MS, it's buying over the competition. For Nintendo, maybe they're more comfortable with making their own games. They're doing fine right now, so why do they need to mimick Sony's stretegies?

But no doubt, having more 3rd party support will definitely improve Nintendo's popularity. But seeing the number of crap games which are out for PS2, I'm not sure...

Myxtika1 Azn · « **Reply #32 on:** July 05, 2003, 05:11:03 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lecter
No offense to anyone on this board, everyone that is writing 2-3 paragraphs saying the comments written by N-Sider are totally wrong is 100% stupid.

You mind if I say that you are 100% stupid for saying what you said in YOUR post?

Lecter · « **Reply #33 on:** July 05, 2003, 06:27:22 PM »

Dont mind at all thats your opinion, but Nintendo is infact in trouble, look how many units its shipping to prove it. The comments that were written may be harsh, but most of them are true. People just dont want to accept facts, thats up to them but the truth is Nintendo is not the master of games as it used to be. People are very disapointed in the GameCube.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #34 on:** July 05, 2003, 06:45:49 PM »

It seems everyone here has taken one extreme or the other. YES Nintendo has problems- if they do indeed know how to reclaim the top spot again, they're not showing it. NO Nintendo is not in trouble- they'll be around for a very long time even at this rate. They're doing at least as good as MS is with the XBox but you don't here any spellings of doom there. Very few people are dissapointed with the Gamecube- most people who bought the console did it knowing they loved Nintendo's games and Nintendo has actually spoiled us in that regard. The few that are dissapointed just don't like Nintendo's style, and most of the people who don't like Nintendo's style knew so before the Gamecube and didn't even purchase one. Although this article does raise a few good points it seems it's just hitching a ride on the bash-Nintendo bandwagon in hopes of getting bandwith (which it obviously did). Bottom line is Nintendo's not doing bad but they could be doing a LOT better- whether or not they know how do better, or whether they even care, has yet to be seen.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #35 on:** July 05, 2003, 07:12:57 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lecter
Dont mind at all thats your opinion, but Nintendo is infact in trouble, look how many units its shipping to prove it. The comments that were written may be harsh, but most of them are true. People just dont want to accept facts, thats up to them but the truth is Nintendo is not the master of games as it used to be. People are very disapointed in the GameCube.

It doesn't matter how many "units" are shipping if they are making money on them instead of losing money, and that is in fact the case. Not the master of games? You're nuts! I'll let the other forum members flame you to death. Dissappointed in the GameCube? Whatever.

Moonwatcher · « **Reply #36 on:** July 05, 2003, 07:45:25 PM »

No offense but you are a 100% stupid, wrong, ignorant, inbred, monkey-faced poo-poo head. No offense.

alvinaloy · « **Reply #37 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:55:25 PM »

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Originally posted by: Lecter
Dont mind at all thats your opinion, but Nintendo is infact in trouble, look how many units its shipping to prove it. The comments that were written may be harsh, but most of them are true. People just dont want to accept facts, thats up to them but the truth is Nintendo is not the master of games as it used to be. People are very disapointed in the GameCube.

So what if Nintendo is shipping less units than PS2 or Xbox? For every 10 units that Xbox sells, Gamecube only needs to sell 1 or 2 for the same profits. That's if Xbox is rolling in profits for MS. People are disappointed in the Gamecube? Guess 'people' means you cos I ain't disappointed in it.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #38 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:57:11 PM »

It's great and all that Nintendo makes a larger profit than Sony or MS, but that by no means they would have nothing to gain from being number 1 again- MORE sales means MORE profit. There's nothing wrong with that. Don't use the profits ploy as an excuse for Nintendo underperforming.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2003, 09:01:24 PM »

How am I wrong/stupid/any other "insult" (if that's what you want to call them...)? It's the truth. Nintendo would rather sell 500,000 games and make $10 on each one (with a total of $5,000,000), than sell 1,000,000 games making $1 on each one (which makes $1,000,000). Why? Because they are making more of a profit.

I don't see how logic is stupid. What is stupid is having fantasy ideas that you can go on incessantly blabbering about just to garner attention, even if they go against logic, sane business decisions, and everything Nintendo has said. Obviously you are not mature enough to make such decisions, don't take this personally, since most people aren't. I'm not saying I'm an expert or anything because I am in no way an expert, but I can see what Nintendo is doing.

Mannypon · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2003, 09:35:41 PM »

Originally posted by: Lecter
"People just dont want to accept facts, thats up to them but the truth is Nintendo is not the master of games as it used to be"

Nintendo still is the master of games as it used to be, the only difference now is that games have blown up and become commercial. The general public and average consumer are all bout flash and no substance, they fail to appreciate the level of quality in nintendo's games. In this type of market, it can twist people's vision and make people think nintendo aint the company it used to be but the real truth of the matter is that games now sell by the coat of paint on it and not what lies withing, just look at how the matrix game sells a few million just off the title and graphics whereas eternal darkness still goes by unpurchased when its sellin for a dirt cheap 15 dollars. You can even tell that fact by watchin commercials, the majority of video game commercials are of cinematics and not of actual gameplay becuase publishers know that thats whats goin to catch the consumer. Gamecube commercials are the only ones that always show gameplay footage durin its runtime. The day nintendo leaves the video game business (probably not in my lifetime) is the day of video game's steep decline into mediocrity. Forgive ma spellin lol, I aint on point as I used to be lol.

ruby_onix · « **Reply #41 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:35:00 AM »

I don't think I agreed with anything in that editorial myself.

But, instead of commenting on some of it, I feel like commenting on something else that the editorial brought up.

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"Why are we to develop games for platforms that do not supply appropriate yields? We still support PS2 and Xbox, but Nintendo? No, not in the foreseeable future."
-Rod Cousens, CEO Acclaim

Does anyone else see something absurd about this logic?

It's like:

"PS2? 30 million units? Sure, we'd love to develop for that!"

"XBox? 5.5 million units? Sure, we'd love to develop for that!"

"GameCube? 4.5 million units? I dunno... That doesn't really seem like enough. No, we can't afford to do that."

It just makes no sense to me.

Mario · « **Reply #42 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:45:49 AM »

Yeah, and whats even funnier is that Acclaim sold more games on the Gamecube than the Xbox.

nonjagged · « **Reply #43 on:** July 06, 2003, 07:23:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
That article said it all.

I have nothing at all to add.

http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4894

thecubedcanuck would you be related to the above journalist?

Dear whats-best-for-Nintendo-know-alls aka Trolls. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nintendo's strategies. If you want predominately dodgy, shallow, boobs, gore, as your core entertainment, gamers are more than welcome to chose PSX or PC which do accept more of those cheap attributes in an effort to attract attention within the competing piles of releases.
Nintendo will never chase endless 3rd party support for its consoles to be "number 1" because Nintendo knows the endless 3rd parties couldnt provide the quality to match Nintendo 1st-2nd party software and endless 3rd parties is no substitute for being a gaming-only platform.
The top 10 ranked 3rd party developers in Japan are more than adequate to provide software for Nintendo's consoles. They are eating out the palm of Nintendo's hand. Ask Hideo Kojima what his favourite platform is and he will smile GBA, likely because it allows him to replay classics of past generations.
Know-all Nintendo analists should comprehend that Nintendo will never ever regain "number 1" position because Nintendo is a gaming company with gaming-only platforms.
Previously before the 3DO, all gaming platform specialised in just gaming. If a particular platform sold better than another platform the reason was because the platform had more popular game software, not the biggest software library.
Nowdays many more factors influence platform sales like, lack of competition during launch, and Multi-media playback, and lack of piracy protection due to using a non-proprietory data medium ie a mainstream data format.

Nintendo will never, ever retain "number 1" console platform sales positions because Nintendo is no longer up against other gaming-only platforms like Sega Saturn, Nintendo is up against Multi-Media platforms that appeal to more than gaming-only markets and in general any mainstreamers wanting some form of entertainment like eg. Karaoke etc.
We have established Nintendo is a gaming-only company since 200 years ago when they painted sea-shells as a form of a game.
Gamer's wishing for Nintendo to drop it's modern-day digital-gaming protective proprietory data mediums (ie. proprietory cartridges or proprietory GODiscs as apposed to mainstream formats like CD-ROM or DVD) should quit while they are behind in their thinking.
It is imparative that Nintendo focuses on maintaining adequate protection of its franchises/software it actually develops, while Nintendo leaves it up to immitators like $ony & M$ to fight it out who gets the bigger install userbase or more importantly who gets the bigger amount of console unit sales to go with their over-inflated ego & power-control.
Its not hard to figure that $ony once in partnership with Nintendo, had visions of creating multi-media entertainment units to support $ony Pictures & $ony Music industries which Nintendo did not want to take part of.
Contrary to popular belief or mainstream thinking, the next Nintendo platform will not have DVD playback. It will not have HD-DVD or Super DVD or whatever the format you want to call it. It will be proprietory. It will be a gaming-only however will offer more than just Handheld connection. Nintendo's future is incorporating newer ways of interacting with digital games. Future generations of Nintendo platforms will support connection wireless VR headset connection or holographic projectors which light-up a room at night.
What the future Nintendo platforms will not do is play DVD, or manage digital photography, or require Credit Cards, or HDD record TV broadcasts of public station Movies, just as Video Hire franchises have done biased deals to favour one multi-media platform over the other.
Heck one would cringe if Pay-TV services start getting bias and do deals to have built-in receivers in the next-gen multi-media platforms.
HDD Record Live Pay-TV broadcasts of Robbie Williams in concert on the next Xbox platform or HDD Record Live Pay-TV broadcasts of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (Directors Cut, Super Digitally Enhanced, Tweaked to the Max version 12.3) on the next Psx platform, is not my idea of gaming entertainment.

For me I couldnt care less if $ony or M$ block the distribution of software in Video Store franchises or team up with Pay TV service providers to create the ultimate set-top-box, because Nintendo is and will be forever a gaming-only platform company, and where the software that is actually created by Nintendo 1st-2nd party developers is actually worth buying in the first place. Nintendo will not be a pimp to the latest mainstream data format and pay fees to consortiums. Nintendo makes its own software on its own format.

So in reality, for me at least, I cant relate to the weekly posts that offer advise for Nintendo on how to run their 2 century old business and how to be "number 1" in sales. But that could be just me.

To me Nintendo was "number 1" as soon as they proved their phylosophy of delivering realtime gaming entertainment and launched a disc based software medium that has practically realtime load-times.
So in my eyes Nintendo won this generation "console wars" regardless of its total units sales figures and regardless of its eclipsing size of 1st party software and regradless of whether it takes its software online or not.
I am a gamer. Nintendo & my PC satisfy my needs better than anything else available.
I wont plead with Nintendo to mimmick the other mainstreamers for the sake of being universally accepted or pirate friendly.
Nintendo makes billion$ using proprietory formats, image if Nintendo just released its software on mainstream mediums such as CD-ROM and DVD and heck why not throw in a DVD recorder not just player, then it (Nintendo) would possibly make Trillion$. Oh well I guess billion$ is more than adequate.

Nintendo's biggest obstacle is its fanbase acting like trolls and the mainstream market that dont have the time to play huge games.

The following link is a prime example of a clueless troll.

http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=4894

Oh and in my opinion if Nintendo launched first in the next-gen with launch support from Square-Enix (FF & DQ) and Konami (MGS or SH) that alone is enough to equal getting launch support from 50 x 3rd parties.
With Nintendo platforms its all about quality not quantity. We must learn to deal with it.
3rd parties cant compete on a quality platform like Nintendo's and they sure wont waste their time when the ps2 already had a larger userbase which can make them money as theres a better chance they will get mainstream suckers buying their quite-often lower quality games.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #44 on:** July 06, 2003, 07:47:41 AM »

Only reason Acclaim can't sell games on the cube is because their games are so much crappier than the ones Nintendo has to offer.

Mouse_clicker, I don't think Nintendo is underperforming in any way. Though it's a valid point, and you cannot dismiss it like you did, I generally ignore the profit excuse. It seems that Nintendo tailors particularly to my needs. Every game they make, I like. I can't help it. It's as if Nintendo is making every game especially for me.

Heck, maybe that's why they're so far behind the PS2. I'm a very. . . unique individual.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #45 on:** July 06, 2003, 07:53:18 AM »

I never said Nintendo was underpeforming, just that they were being outperformed. I thought I had amde it clear that Nintendo is doing very well, but they're not doing near as well as they could be doing. It's very good their profits are much larger than MS and Sony's despite poorer sales, but the general fact of the matter is, if you couple Nintendo's ability to make large profits with Sony's sales you get HUGE profits, and that can only benefit Nintendo. Please believe me when I say that I do not think Nintendo is in any trouble, but I DO think they could be doing a lot better. It's like Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting- Nintendo's got the potential, they're just not using it.

ThePerm · « **Reply #46 on:** July 06, 2003, 10:07:36 AM »

ill second mouse_clickers blah blah blah. Nintendo makes too much money to go third party and really Nintendo needs to really distance themselves fropm sega or prove their way better then sega by purchasing them.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #47 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:03:38 PM »

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Originally posted by: ThePerm
ill second mouse_clickers blah blah blah. Nintendo makes too much money to go third party and really Nintendo needs to really distance themselves fropm sega or prove their way better then sega by purchasing them.

Buying someone doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them. I mean, Microsoft bought Rare, but in no way does that mean that Microsoft is better than Rare. But yes, Nintendo isn't going 3rd party any time soon. Mr. Iwata has already (firmly!) stated that. I don't think that Nintendo should buy Sega anyways, I mean their in debt over their heads, if Nintendo bought them that debt would be Nintendo's.

ThePerm · « **Reply #48 on:** July 06, 2003, 02:18:57 PM »

the problm with EVERYONE saying Nintendo will go third party is because Sega did it. People associate Sega and Nintenod. They think Nintendo is just like SEga which its not. THats why they need to distance themselves.
Flauntring their wealth and buying sega would work. And Sega's debt..well Nintendo's stock price would probably quadrouple after purchasing the company and within two years off of gameboy sells alone they would make up the price...not only that they would increase the publics iew of them by absorbing so many good properties......im not saying they should, and im not sure if its a good idea. But there are so many stupid people out there, perhaps you understand what i mean.

Cooolcorey · « **Reply #49 on:** July 06, 2003, 03:13:11 PM »

I know what you mean, but Nintendo doesn't do things to please the market. They do it to make a profit, which buying Sega wouldn't do for quite some time. Besides how many properties would actually be worth having exclusive to their console? Although I would love to have that Dragoon game on the 'Cube.

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Author Topic: New article on Nintendo´s future! Must-read!!! (Read 32816 times)