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Re: I ARE STUPID
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2013, 02:00:36 AM »
Every generation thinks the one coming up behind it is ruining everything, and that the world is in horrible condition compared to the past. Go back through history, it has been consistently true for centuries. The present never lives up to the idealized, inaccurate view of the past people have in their minds.

Yo! Dis is da fightin' freak Knuckles here and I just want to give some props and a true dat to this statement. This pretty much sums up the perception problem Sonic games have. It's time to take off those rose-colored glasses and realize Sonic games haven't changed. You have. Now, if you'll excuse me,

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Re: I ARE STUPID
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2013, 03:23:16 AM »
I haven't even read the thread, but I'm pretty sure it's just SHYGUY YELLS AT CLOUD


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Re: I ARE STUPID
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2013, 10:48:25 AM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2013, 11:00:17 AM »
Depends on your goal.

Sure, folks can use computers and such.  But how are their other skills?  Go read GameFAQs and check out the grammar there.  My high school English teacher would hang herself.

So, is proper grammar (or something that resembles it) important?  We all laugh when we see the sign at the local fast food joint that says something like "Try Are New Pizza", but it is scary to me to think that is where our society is heading.

Additionally, I strongly disagree that knowing stuff isn't as important as having the ability to access stuff.  You need a good balance of each.

Let's say we set up a colony on Mars in 10 years.  Do you want to send a bunch of people who don't know how to do anything except turn on a computer and see how to do something, or do you want to send people who actually have a knowledge base on how to maintain the day-to-day operations of the facility?

If you're in the first group, and something goes wrong... you're going to be in big trouble.

Knowing how to solve a problem exactly how everyone else solves it allows you to solve that problem.  Knowing know to come to the solution to the problem allows you to adapt the solution to your own, unique situation.
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2013, 11:17:45 AM »
To give a more practical application of what I'm talking about...

As you know, I work for a major retailer.  One of my jobs involves auditing price changes and doing research to find missed markdowns (which lead to shrink - which is bad).

Now, when I started this position years ago, there was a process.  It involved printing reports, digging through them, blah, blah, blah.  I work in a small store and it took me a day to do it the way that we were told to do it if you looked up the official procedures at the time.  One day, spent doing all this.  Painful.  I couldn't imagine if I worked in a larger store and the reports that printed were 3-4 times the size of mine.

But if all you know how to do is power on the computer and search "How do I do this", you're going to be told to go through these reports, etc., etc.

Well, I thought that was stupid, so using my established knowledge base, combined with the instructions I was given, I compiled a spreadsheet that, when you plug these various reports in... it does all the work for you.  What previously took me a day to do can now be done in a little under an hour.  Bonus, I can run this report for any store in the company from my own little computer.  Extra bonus - it doesn't miss stuff.  Let me tell you, going through the lines and lines of data, you can skip over things.  This doesn't.  Extra super bonus - I was able to refine the process of one of the reports. The previous way used weekly sales figures.  My method uses DAILY sales figures.  If you manually had to comb through daily sales figures, you'd never get done.  So now, my report is even more accurate than the previous method.  Super extra super bonus - At the end of this process, you print two pages (possibly more, depending on how many mistakes you find).  The previous process involved printing a report that weighed about 10 pounds.  In my tiny store.  Spread that across thousands of stores.  Most larger than mine.  Compared to printing two or three pages.

...and now, stores all over the country are using my spreadsheet to do this process.  Because someone, instead of just looking up how to do the process and do it as told, took their existing knowledge base and adapted it to the situation.

*PS: Forgot to mention, this process?  It's a weekly thing. :D
« Last Edit: January 17, 2013, 11:28:22 AM by UncleBob »
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2013, 11:25:23 AM »
UncleBob, I applauded you... because you saved trees.

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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2013, 01:26:54 PM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.

What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.


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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2013, 02:33:44 PM »
UncleBob just made it easier for the bigbox stores to rollover mom 'n pop retailers. Small companies are the cornerstones of our towns and your process made it that much easier for them to DIE.

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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 02:37:17 PM »
To be fair, mom and pop stores don't likely have the same kind of markdown issue we do. ;)

But, if there a mom and pop that wants to pay me to come in, review their store and help them fix things, my email is in my signature.  I like money. :)
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2013, 03:39:57 PM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.

What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.


Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.


And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.
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Re: I ARE STUPID
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2013, 04:01:41 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2013, 05:31:52 PM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.

What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.


Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.


And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.

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« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2013, 05:45:17 PM »
My current school has some of them, but not in my classroom.
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« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2013, 06:16:09 PM »
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher. 

I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach. 

I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".

I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point.

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Re: I ARE STUPID
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2013, 06:27:36 PM »


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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2013, 06:49:05 PM »
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher. 

I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach. 

I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".

Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2013, 07:23:27 PM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.

What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.


Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.


And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.

No, I win your stupid bet. I don't get Winter break, Spring break, Summer break.

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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2013, 07:35:59 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2013, 07:37:04 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2013, 07:37:28 PM »
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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2013, 08:00:48 PM »
I see reading comprehension is stellar in this thread. I guess that proves my point. When did I start whining about the good ol' days? My argument is people are as stupid as they've ever been and the technology revolution in education has been, in a large part, a waste of time and money.

I'm willing to bet I've spent more time in schools recently than you have, and that's just plain wrong.

What do I win in this bet? I'm a computer technician for a school district. I'm in multiple schools full time.


Well since I'm a teacher, I guess it's a tie then.


And UncleBob, when I said knowing things wasn't important, I meant knowing facts. Knowing how to do things is important.

No, I win your stupid bet. I don't get Winter break, Spring break, Summer break.

Technically there wasn't a bet. I said I was willing to bet, and you jumped straight to claiming victory. You need to take some lessons from Kenny Rogers.

And really, you guys don't even get summers off? That's gotta suck.
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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2013, 08:13:21 PM »
I think technology in the classroom is used too often to substitute decent teaching, rather than enhancing the interaction between student and teacher. 

I remember too many times in college where professors would literally read their Powerpoint slides word-for-word instead of using them as an additional supplementary device to enhance what they were trying to teach. 

I remember reading articles about schools that would give a computer to every student, and after the instant "how awesome" appeal wore off, I thought of my education experience with technology, and think "if my professors failed to use something as simple as Powerpoint effectively, then how the hell will grade school teachers not use computers for every student the same way some parents use TV as a babysitter?".

Now this I agree with. The issue is how to use the tech. You can, and I have made great lessons that incorporate technology in good ways, but you can't just, as you said, use the tech as a substitute for teaching. You have to incorporate it into traditional lessons and use it as a tool. Not every teacher is good at this, but based on my experiences today's university students in the education field are getting a lot of experience and training to that effect.

To be fair, I had teachers in school that would write stuff on the chalkboard or use the old-fashioned over-head projectors (that you used transparency sheets on) and simply read their notes that the wrote earlier that same day.  Heck, I had teachers that would simply read out of the textbook (or have us take turns doing it).

It's not a technological thing.  It's a poor teaching method used by poor teachers.
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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2013, 08:16:08 PM »

Both schools mentioned in that video can be and most likely are successful, because they have a plan, a curriculum that fits the plan, and teachers who are onboard with the goal and the plan.

You can have a great school in any number of configurations as long as you have the right people, and, to a lesser extent, the right materials.
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