Topic: Since when has MSNBC had any desire to do real journalism?

[Tlon]

I get my news from the back of a cereal box.

[TJ Spyke]

The majority of the world uses it, and most countries are succeeding. I know you dont want to admit it since you dont like things like capitalism, laws, people having a right to protect their IPs, etc.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Wanting to socialize healthcare, education, energy or banking means supporting a planned economy communist dictorship. Also anarchy. A thousand years of darkness.

[Lithium]

yeah but Chuck Norris will save us all from 2012 with an epic falcon punch

[ShyGuy]

The Soviet Union was tremendously successful for a little while there. They turned a poor, backwards country into an industrial power. Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't had to funnel all their resources into an arms race. I don't know about a utopia, but it could have turned out better than it did.

I know, right? North Korea really did Communism better without the interference of the capitalist dogs.

[TJ Spyke]

And most of the country is starving

[ShyGuy]

Me and the Spyke standing up for freedom!

[NWR_insanolord]

By that logic, all the capitalist countries that are in shambles and starving prove that that system doesn't work.

[Tlon]

I wisthdraw my comment. I need capitalisim otherwise there would be no pictures at the back of the cereal box.

[UncleBob]

Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't had to funnel all their resources into an arms race.

I disagree with this choice of word.

[NWR_insanolord]

I suppose in the strictest sense they didn't have to, but from a geopolitical standpoint the other options were pretty bad.

[ThePerm]

government that benefits the people is the best type of government

there are two types of governments Functional and Dysfunctional. The system doesn't matter. A monarchy can be a good system if the monarchs make their subjects rich. Democracy is great on paper, but it can devolve into dysfunctionality and misinformation.

[ShyGuy]

By that logic, all the capitalist countries that are in shambles and starving prove that that system doesn't work.

Let's examine the historic ratios of failed communist countries per total versus the failed capitalist countries per total.

[TJ Spyke]

We should just make the country run like Peter did on that episode of Family Guy where Y2K killed most people. have everyone draw a title out of a hat to determine who is the president, who are the Senators, etc. Might be a interesting experiment.

[NWR_insanolord]

By that logic, all the capitalist countries that are in shambles and starving prove that that system doesn't work.

Let's examine the historic ratios of failed communist countries per total versus the failed capitalist countries per total.

Basically every communist country got that way because of a revolution, which was able to happen because of the poor conditions in the country. They were predisposed toward failure. That and the smaller sample size would skew those numbers. And like I said, talking about it like things are black and white between capitalism and socialism is stupid, because pretty much every country is a hybrid of the two.

[TJ Spyke]

I think most experts agree that communism works in theory, but it has never worked in practice. The only successful communist country is China, and they have largely embraced capitalism and blended it in with communism for a weird mixture.

[ShyGuy]

I'm sure you have excuses for all your Communist brother's failures, Insanolord. But let's not repeat the same mistakes from the past, especially when those mistakes include the DEATHS OF MILLIONS.

Wholesale slaughter of millions of my countrymen? Let's blame the Tsars! Defense of this seems like a seriously ignorant position to take.

[NWR_insanolord]

I would never argue there weren't massive problems with the Soviet Union; I was only pointing out that they had some successes as well. I would, however, argue that those problems aren't endemic to that system and were dependent in the situation at the time.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Erm the only reason the USSR failed was that Reagan passed a law making Russia illegal forever. Bombing starts in 5 minutes.

[ShyGuy]

That makes sense, It's just an amazing coincidence that the other Communist systems bombed out or underwent massive capitalistic reforms.

[ShyGuy]

Erm the only reason the USSR failed was that Reagan passed a law making Russia illegal forever. Bombing starts in 5 minutes.

Yeah!!!

[NWR_insanolord]

That makes sense, It's just an amazing coincidence that the other Communist systems bombed out or underwent massive capitalistic reforms.

Like I said, the countries have become communist because conditions were bad enough that the people supported revolutions. Those countries had already bombed. I'm not saying it's great or even that it works at all, but saying it doesn't work at all after a few failed states switched to it and failed again doesn't make sense. If we see successful countries peacefully transition to it (give Scandinavia a few decades) and it still consistently fails, then we know for sure.

[UncleBob]

Everything you need to know about the Soviet Union...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

[ShyGuy]

That makes sense, It's just an amazing coincidence that the other Communist systems bombed out or underwent massive capitalistic reforms.

Like I said, the countries have become communist because conditions were bad enough that the people supported revolutions. Those countries had already bombed. I'm not saying it's great or even that it works at all, but saying it doesn't work at all after a few failed states switched to it and failed again doesn't make sense. If we see successful countries peacefully transition to it (give Scandinavia a few decades) and it still consistently fails, then we know for sure.

Let's give Fascism another try too, okay?

[Stogi]

Even I haven't made worse funhouse threads.