Topic: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs

[UncleBob]

No, not at all - but no one should have the right or ability to cause someone's phone to not work. First, that seems like an FCC violation, and second, there are these things called "emergencies" when someone might be trying to call to let you know that your house is on fire or a family member was in an accident, you know, little things like that.

A) Leave the building.  If it's an emergency, you're not going to stay at the theater and watch the movie anyway.
B) You'd think the Human Race never managed to survive before cell phone communications.

[Chozo Ghost]

If there's an emergency, shouldn't someone call 911? 20 years ago few people had cellphones, and somehow the world got by. I know its hard to believe, but turning your cellphone off for about 2 hours isn't going to be the end of the world. Again, if someone you know is having an emergency they shouldn't be calling you at the theater anyway. They should call 911 instead. Anything that isn't 911 worthy can afford to wait a couple hours, right?

[BranDonk Kong]

A) I'm not trying to make a case for actually using a cell phone in a movie theater, I'm making a case for not being able to disable a cellular radio.
B) I don't even know how people survived without air conditioning, let alone cell phones.
C) (For Chozo) Yes, they should call 911 - but after that happens it would be nice to call the people that need to know about said emergency. Also, I would certainly hope that said person calling me with an EMERGENCY wouldn't stop and think, "oh, he's at the movies, I'll wait and let him find out that his family member was in a terrible car crash until afterwards."

It doesn't just have to be at a movie theater anyway. This is a (potentially) horribly dangerous technology, and the idea that someone is even developing it is much more alarming that someone patenting it.

And BEING ABLE TO receive a phone call and taking a **** in someone's yard are hardly comparable.

[NWR_insanolord]

It is an FCC violation, and is illegal for the reasons Brandogg mentioned. You can get into a lot of trouble for purposely blocking wireless signals.

[Chozo Ghost]

I don't have a problem with people receiving calls if its an emergency, but the problem is people have no scruples and aren't considerate of other people in theaters or elsewhere. Unless its blocked entirely, people wouldn't just limit it to emergencies. They would use it to talk about random pointless **** while other people are trying to enjoy the movie and ruin the enjoyment of it for everyone.

And if someone is in an accident during that brief window of time you are in a theater it isn't likely to make much difference in the scheme of things. What could you do in 2 hours that would have made a difference? Emergency services via 911 could make a difference within that time, but you could not. They say ignorance is bliss, so isn't it better if you didn't find out horrible news like that until after the movie has finished anyway? If bad news is going to come at least let it not ruin your movie.

Also, someone could have an accident while you were asleep. Do you sleep with your phone turned on beside you so that it will wake you up in the middle of the night? Some do, some don't. But my point is bad news can wait a few hours. Why be in a hurry to hear bad news? You'll find out eventually... but in the meantime enjoy whatever you are doing.

[oohhboy]

Cheap cellphone blocking technology isn't selective and "Consumer" models are especially poor in the lack of controllability. You can't set it to "911" mode, it's all or nothing. You also have liability issues if the blocking signal leaving your premises. People on a cellphone in theaters is annoying, but blocking the signal isn't a solution and is a gross over reaction. This isn't worth the digital equivalent of a gagball every time you enter or go near a theater.

Beside there are plenty of scenarios where your presence is time critical life and death or otherwise.

[BranDonk Kong]

I don't have a problem with people receiving calls if its an emergency, but the problem is people have no scruples and aren't considerate of other people in theaters or elsewhere. Unless its blocked entirely, people wouldn't just limit it to emergencies. They would use it to talk about random pointless **** while other people are trying to enjoy the movie and ruin the enjoyment of it for everyone.

And if someone is in an accident during that brief window of time you are in a theater it isn't likely to make much difference in the scheme of things. What could you do in 2 hours that would have made a difference? Emergency services via 911 could make a difference within that time, but you could not. They say ignorance is bliss, so isn't it better if you didn't find out horrible news like that until after the movie has finished anyway? If bad news is going to come at least let it not ruin your movie.

Also, someone could have an accident while you were asleep. Do you sleep with your phone turned on beside you so that it will wake you up in the middle of the night? Some do, some don't. But my point is bad news can wait a few hours. Why be in a hurry to hear bad news? You'll find out eventually... but in the meantime enjoy whatever you are doing.

What could you do? Oh, I don't know, maybe comfort the person or say goodbye to them on the chance that the injuries are life-threatening...


And it doesn't always have to be bad news. What if someone is calling to let you know that there's a guy down the street handing out free money?

[Chozo Ghost]

On that very off chance, you have point. But how often does something like that happen? I don't think we should live in fear and drastically alter our lives on unlikely circumstances such as this. We should enjoy life. If that means shutting off our cellphones for a brief period of time, so be it.

[oohhboy]

The problem is that you should be given the choice to switch off, not be forced to do so to enjoy a legitimate activity. That "Off chance" is far more important than someone being inconsiderate.

The only time Cellphone blocking is ever acceptable is national security in areas where outside communications is a real threat to the information inside or is a life and death situation like a radio controlled destructive device.

[Chozo Ghost]

The only time Cellphone blocking is ever acceptable is national security in areas where outside communications is a real threat to the information inside or is a life and death situation like a radio controlled destructive device.

Something like that could be in a movie theater. If you are going to base something off remote chances, well this is probably no less remote than someone having an accident and you only having a few minutes to make it to them before they die. Movie theaters would make a prime target for terrorists because of the concentration of people. In fact, didn't a terrorist shoot up a theater just recently? If you want to worry about stuff that could happen while you are in a theater, someone setting off a radio controlled bomb is certainly a possibility. If cell phone blocking can block a bomb from being detonated then its not only makes the movie viewing experience less annoying, but also can save lives. So that's two valid reasons for it.

[BranDonk Kong]

Chozo, that's very TJ Spyke of you.


This has quickly turned into the worst thread ever.

[oohhboy]

What the hell Chozo Ghost, do you live in Iraq?

[Chozo Ghost]

I just want movie theaters to be a safe place without violence or interruptions. Is that too much to ask?

[oohhboy]

That Batman theater shooting really did a number on your mental processes. Seek help.

[Chozo Ghost]

That Batman theater shooting really did a number on your mental processes. Seek help.

I don't know who to turn to.

[oohhboy]

Knowing where you live, I know your options are limited. Your best option right now is to talk about it, but not here in the open like this. There has to be a friend/family somewhere who you can talk with to some extent. The Batman incident was most like just a trigger to an underlying issue you are dealing with but haven't identified.

From where I am sitting, your risk assessment processes are out of norms. While focusing on statistically insignificant risk is normal in a high stress conflict situation, it is not when you are having to come to a Nintendo gaming forum for help. All I can do from here is give you facts to work with and they won't help because your risk assessment is out of line.

If you are completely unable to find someone to just talk to, give me a PM and I will be happy to give you an hour or two of my time over Skype. It is the best I can do.

[Oblivion]

Okay, I'll take you up on your offer.

[UncleBob]

It is an FCC violation, and is illegal for the reasons Brandogg mentioned. You can get into a lot of trouble for purposely blocking wireless signals.

Incorrect - it's not illegal at all for the reasons Brandogg mentioned.  It's illegal because the carrier (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) paid the government for those particular "airwaves" and for you to "squat" on them with a device that interferes equates to "trespassing" on their property.

This is why it's perfectly legal to build a building that shields the interior from receiving cell phone signals (like a giant Faraday cage).  The end result is the same - people inside cannot receive cell phone signal - but the method (blocking vs. jamming) is completely different.

With that said, the number of folks who have actually gotten in trouble for jamming are very, very far and few.

[Chozo Ghost]

I heard Cuba uses radio jamming to block transmissions from the US.

[nickmitch]

Is it too much just to ask that people not text/take calls and just silence their phones during a movie? I get that you might "forget" to silence it, but there are signs before you walk in and a fucking commercial before the movie telling you not to do that. Yet, people still do it anyway. It's like, what the hell?

Assholes, am I right?

[UncleBob]

[TJ Spyke]

I remember hearing that voice call on The Tonight Show. That is a good reason why movie theatres should not serve alcohol.

[Sarail]

Oh my. That is brilliant. That's what she gets. SERVED.

[TJ Spyke]

Surprise, surprise. The criminals known as Anonymous LIED. They did not steal the UDID's from the FBI. A Florida publishing company called BlueToad (a digital publishing company) has confirmed that the info was hacked from their servers:

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-udids-leaked-by-anonymous-came-from-florida-firm-not-fbi-7000003994/?s_cid=e550

[BranDonk Kong]

Because cover-ups do not exist.

Anyway, who's to say that the FBI didn't get the info from BlueToad's vulnerability, and that AntiSec got it from the FBI? I know it's a stretch...but...whatever...I don't even own any Apple devices or have a UDID.