Topic: AntiSec Hacking group leaks 1 million Apple user IDs

[oohhboy]

**** hackers, **** the FBI.

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[Sarail]

**** hackers, **** the FBI.

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Fo' real, yo.

[Caliban]

When has any government ever in the history of mankind voluntarily given back any kind of power?

The Canadian Government has, thank you very much.
I refer you to the Quebec "October Crisis" of 1970 when the War Measures Act was temporarily invoked.
From Wikipedia:

The circumstances ultimately culminated in the only peacetime use of the War Measures Act in Canada's history ...
 
the War Measures Act gave police the power to arrest people without warrant, and 497 people were arrested ...
 
Once the War Measures Act was in place, arrangements were made for all detainees to see legal counsel. There were cases, however few, of people having cause to be upset by the method of their interrogation; however, the majority of those interviewed after had little cause to complain and several even commented on the courteous nature of the interrogations and searches,^[20] In addition, the Quebec Ombudsman, Louis Marceau, was instructed to hear complaints of detainees, and the Quebec government agreed to pay damages to any person unjustly arrested. On February 3, 1971, John Turner, Minister of Justice of Canada, reported that 497 persons had been arrested under the War Measures Act, of whom 435 had already been released. The other 62 were charged, of which 32 were accused of crimes of such seriousness that a Quebec Superior Court judge refused them bail.
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Since then, however, the government's use of the War Measures Act in peacetime has been a subject of debate in Canada as it gave police sweeping powers of arrest and detention.

Didn't they do the same thing when there was the G something summit here in Toronto. There were a lot of people arrested and then let go, some were left detained, a lot of complaints, etc.

If anyone thinks **** doesn't happen here in Canada, I can tell you are misinformed. **** is happening.

[Chozo Ghost]

Canada is the Russia of the western hemisphere... at least it is in terms of geography and climate. Politically maybe it is too, I don't know.

[Fatty The Hutt]

Didn't they do the same thing when there was the G something summit here in Toronto. There were a lot of people arrested and then let go, some were left detained, a lot of complaints, etc.

The difference with the G8 was that those arrests were just plain unlawful, not done under the authority of some legislation that permitted suspension of rights, like the War Measures Act or the USA PATRIOT Act.

If anyone thinks **** doesn't happen here in Canada, I can tell you are misinformed. **** is happening.

Indeed. Quebec election shooting just twop days ago!. Canada is not always the docile nation some believe.
 

I don't know.

Clearly.

[Chozo Ghost]

Clearly.

Was that really necessary? I said I didn't know. Why rub it in?

[Fatty The Hutt]

Clearly.

Was that really necessary? I said I didn't know. Why rub it in?

That was my version of dry wit.
You're too sensitive.

[oohhboy]

If you run into a Canadian, they give you donuts.*

*Based on HIMYM and may have no basis in fact.

[nickmitch]

I've run in to several Canadians in my life and have only received donuts on one such occasion.

[Sarail]

Man, now I'm craving donuts. Thanks a lot, guys. :/

[S-U-P-E-R]

I just had to cut in on this political-feeling thread with a goofy comment before it's locked or forgotten forever. Also, what the hell is the FBI doing with a bunch of Apple user IDs? Did Apple just hand them over? Did the FBI just take them?
 

You are assuming these hacker criminals are telling the truth. Second, the UDID's aren't used to track you. Third, I trust the FBI with that info more than a bunch of criminals.

The FBI commits crimes all the time, hth

[TJ Spyke]

The only people saying the FBI had the IDs is this group of criminals. Both Apple and the FBI have confirmed that the claim is false.

[UncleBob]

As opposed to the headline "Apple confirms they turned over 10 million users' data to the FBI - cares not for privacy of customers"?

[S-U-P-E-R]

"confirmed"

[Fatty The Hutt]

I've run in to several Canadians in my life and have only received donuts on one such occasion.

You have to be sure we remain conscious when you run into us. The we can give you some Timbits.
You're doing it wrong.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Both Apple and the FBI have confirmed that the claim is false.

Yeah, actually, no, here's what they said:

"The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs (unique device IDs) was exposed," according to an FBI spokesperson. "At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data."

As of Tuesday afternoon, there had been no independent verification that the IDs came from an FBI computer. Apple did not respond to a request for comment.

"We don't have any way of confirming the source of the data, or what else might have been taken, but it does appear that the files do contain at least some genuine Apple UDIDs," said Graham Cluley, a senior tech consultant at Sophos Security. "Certainly things would be worse if the personal info was also released. But at the moment it feels as if the hackers might be more interested in embarrassing the FBI and causing mischief than putting innocent users at risk."

It sounds like they're covering their asses rather than straight up denying.

Also why do people even buy Apple products?
http://www.zdnet.com/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable-protesters-phone-cameras-7000003640/

[nickmitch]

If they used that to keep peoples phones from working during a movie, then I'm all fucking for it. I hate that ****.

[BranDonk Kong]

**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.

[UncleBob]

**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.

If you're on my property, I should be allowed to tell you to shut up or leave.  Same for the owner of the theater.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Yeah, and ideally they do, but I think what Brandogg meant by that was that he was not down with unauthorized access to his phone. Am I right?

[Chozo Ghost]

**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.

If you're on my property, I should be allowed to tell you to shut up or leave.  Same for the owner of the theater.

Exactly right. One could argue "no one has any say over my bowel movements but me", but that doesn't give you the right to have a bowel movement on someone else's property. You have the right to have bowel movements, but only where it is appropriate. The same goes for cell phones.

[S-U-P-E-R]

I will not tolerate movie theaters or police unauthorized access to my bowels

[Sarail]

That's a load of crap. I will not take this sitting down.

[Oblivion]

**** that. No one should have ANY say over when I can use my device but me.

Ah, you're one of those people in the theater, eh?

[BranDonk Kong]

No, not at all - but no one should have the right or ability to cause someone's phone to not work. First, that seems like an FCC violation, and second, there are these things called "emergencies" when someone might be trying to call to let you know that your house is on fire or a family member was in an accident, you know, little things like that.