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Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
« Reply #150 on: July 30, 2012, 09:25:30 AM »
I think a Steel movie could work, if they tried it again. Lots of good, black actors to take the roll these days.


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« Reply #151 on: July 30, 2012, 11:08:31 AM »
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« Reply #152 on: July 30, 2012, 12:14:15 PM »
Saw the film on the weekend (or should I stay on topic and keep talking about boobs?) and thought it was good.  I actually had to really go to the bathroom during the final scene with bomb timer counting down which added a lot of extra tension to the scene. :)  I like Dark Knight better but I don't know if I prefer this or Batman Begins.  It's comparable to the other movies though at least.  It's nice when a trilogy goes through with every film being good.  The third film is so often the stumbling point.

One thing I could not help but notice though - why does Bane sound like Sean Connery?  He's this huge intimidating badass and he sounds like a 70 year old man.  Though Bale's Batman sounds like a 13 year old boy trying to do a "man voice" so I guess it all fits a rather odd stylistic choice.

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« Reply #153 on: July 30, 2012, 12:16:07 PM »
Probably based on where he came from...and the mask that he wears which muffles it a bit.
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« Reply #154 on: July 30, 2012, 01:16:25 PM »
Bane a lot of the time sounded rather lyrical, like V in V for Vendetta. Bane's back story wasn't told past his prison rescue, so I can only assume that he is from the UK. Race nor nationality appear to be a factor when you get thrown into a hell hole of a prison. His back story wasn't as important as the myth of the child born into and escaping the prison and how through theatricality is used to blindside the Batman and the audience into believing he was that child. The thing is that he told the truth the entire time and had never stated that he was ever that child. Everybody merely inferred that he was. However the theater I was in was way, way too loud, almost to the point of pain, past the speakers specs, distorting the hell out of Bane when ever his voice went above talking or too deeply.

Bale's Batman in this movie had toned down the gravel a lot compared to peak gravel in Dark Knight. Unlike the Dark Knight, there was never point where I couldn't understand Batman. It was a rather pleasant change and one he should have done back in the first film as the only real blemish in his performance over the three films.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
« Reply #155 on: July 30, 2012, 02:12:08 PM »
Banes voice makes me think of Darth Vaders voice before and after it was dubbed by James Earl Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFho0_G1VI

i think i mentioned above batman's/banes styory reminds me of Drunkey Tai Chi, Rocky 3, and Karate Kid
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« Reply #156 on: July 30, 2012, 02:24:15 PM »
I'd also like to point out that Perm's avatar is what tipped me off that the mayor in these movies is fuckin' BATMANUEL!  I wonder if that bit of casting was on purpose as a subtle "wink wink".  The prison warden was the guard from Prison Break.  No way THAT wasn't intentional.

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« Reply #157 on: July 30, 2012, 03:16:43 PM »
yeah, i laughed when I saw Bellick. John Nolan has TV ties, so yeah. Or Wade Williams thought he could apply for another job as a prison guard. He has the credentials to play one.

it would be hilarious if Nestor Carbonel came out dressed as Batmanuel on the set of tdk or tdkr. On the other hand Bale might freak out.

i need to rewatch the ballroom scene from the movie. That would be spectacular if that were used.
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« Reply #158 on: July 31, 2012, 10:50:32 PM »
Did nobody read where I said that the Power Girl movie should be based off the first few issues of her solo series? She fights Ultra-Humanite and the storyline is basically completely removed from the rest of the DC continuity.
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« Reply #159 on: August 01, 2012, 01:01:28 AM »
I'd also like to point out that Perm's avatar is what tipped me off that the mayor in these movies is fuckin' BATMANUEL!  I wonder if that bit of casting was on purpose as a subtle "wink wink".  The prison warden was the guard from Prison Break.  No way THAT wasn't intentional.

The stupid cop who doesn't lets the people cross the bridge at the end is played the same guy who plays a stupid cop on Dexter as well.  The guy who played the President also played the Secretary of Defense in seasons four and five of 24.  Plus the leader of one of Bane's mercenary groups was played by the same guy who played Teal'c in Stargate SG-1 who at the start of the series was one of the leaders of the villains forces as well.


So yeah there was some nice TV nods going on in this film.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
« Reply #160 on: August 01, 2012, 01:09:30 AM »
I think with this movie completing an epic trilogy and the Avengers bringing several movie plot-lines together, that Hollywood should focus on something else. Leave the superheros alone for a while. Over the past decade we've had more than enough (despite the box office declaring otherwise). And introducing more and more characters or more outrageous situations is going to take away from the novelty of each individual origin story and make each character static (if they aren't already...I'm looking at you Iron Man).

I want Hollywood to focus instead on Manga and Anime. There are plenty of interesting settings, characters and story lines that could be...well let's be honest...exploited. My favorite of which is an epic Space Opera in the same vein as Star Wars, but much, much more mature (as in intellectually stimulating) and without all the different species. It's called "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" and despite it's stupid name, it has all the meticulous fantasy of a Tolkien book, the political and moral depth of Plato's Republic, and the action of the worst Michael Bay films. The story has it all: revenge, political domination, coup d'etats, military occupation, diplomatic impunity, religious zealousness, insurgencies, and assassinations - all on different planets or in space.

But I understand if you are not excited by this prospect as much as I am. Anime can be so bland at times, with it's formulaic approach and over the top actions or reactions. Even Miyazaki, the Animation God, is guilty (and maybe the reason why others still follow those guidelines). Hollywood could streamline it though and focus on the story, characters, and settings. They could do what they did for the comic book industry to the manga industry.

As much as I would want to see Apocalypse and Magneto face off in another X-Men, these super hero movies have nowhere to go except for mindless fun.
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« Reply #161 on: August 01, 2012, 01:24:12 AM »
What we need now instead of comic book super heroes is movies based off of Video Game franchises and characters. I think we are overdue to revisit the concept of a Super Mario Bros. movie. Sure, the one back in the '90s was garbage, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done right.

The Batman movie that starred George Clooney is considered garbage by most, yet the batman movies with Michael Keaten and the most recent ones are considered good. So just because the George Clooney Batman sucked doesn't mean the franchise didn't have potential. It just wasn't done right. And the same also applies to a Super Mario Bros. film.
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« Reply #162 on: August 01, 2012, 01:24:46 AM »
im up for a reboot of Dragon Ball already, they fucked it up. Who should direct it? Ang Lee or Yimou Zhang? Why a chinese director? Because Dragon Ball is a tournament movie. The Dragon Balls are like a side quest, and if there were to be several movies it would be good if they escalated to crazier super powered type stuff.

also, it wasn't so much that George Clooney was a bad Batman, he was just in an overproduced movie meant to sell toys. I still prefer Batman Forever over Batman Returns. I have all the movies. I was kinda disappointed Returns wasn't as good as I remember.

Ninja Turtles was something someone recently was saying wasn;t as good as they remember, but i just watched that **** and it was great. Now I need to watch Secret of the Ooze, im sure that one doesn't hold up as well.
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« Reply #163 on: August 01, 2012, 01:32:26 AM »
It doesn't. I remember thinking it was the better of the two when I was a kid, but I watched them both with my kids a while back and TMNT2 is pure crap, especially when Shredder mutates...into a bigger person (Kevin Nash) and for some reason he gets more spikes and crap too.
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« Reply #164 on: August 01, 2012, 01:38:21 AM »
TMNT2 wasn't too bad. The one which really sucked was TMNT3 when they go back in time to ancient Japan.... that one made no sense and there was no reason for it. Why take a formula which works, and then out of left field go off on some weird tangent for no reason? TMNT2 may not have been as good as the first, but the third one is the reason why the entire franchise went dormant for over a decade.
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« Reply #165 on: August 01, 2012, 03:12:57 AM »
Video game franchises simply won't make it to screen any time soon. If anything they seem to get stuck half way through development and sit there - Halo, Gears of War, Metroid (??!), another Tomb Raider, Castlevania, Hitman, Uncharted etc.

The ones that DO come to fruition - Resident Evil, Silent Hill - Diverge sharply from the source material that gamers simply don't like them.

So yeah there was some nice TV nods going on in this film.

Jonathan Nolan (Chris' brother, who co-wrote the film) is the showrunner of Person of Interest and that show can be best described as a modern batman. It has the same feel in places.

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« Reply #166 on: August 01, 2012, 03:13:11 AM »
TMNT2 holds up because of the Ninja Rap.

And basing anything on Video Games will never work because video game stories suck in comparison to everything else. That's why Video Game authors work for Video Game companies instead of Hollywood.

The only thing that Video Games do well is atmosphere. The settings in which you play the games are fantastic, but that has more to do with the gameplay than the story.
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« Reply #167 on: August 01, 2012, 12:24:48 PM »
How about instead of making tons of comic book movies or switching to anime or videogame movies they come up with NEW IDEAS?  Seriously if it's not some sort of IP that everyone has already heard of, Hollywood doesn't seem interested.  And now we have crap like Spider-Man and Superman being rebooted less than ten years after the last film because they're running out of IP so they need to start over again.

Avatar is a new IP that became absolutely huge and all Hollywood got from it was the idea to make everything 3D.  The fact that it didn't rely on some established "brand" was completely ignored.

I've heard people point out that there are only so many stories one can tell.  That's no excuse to just remake everything.  The setting, the characters, the style are what makes a film unique.  I don't care if you're pulling out the same basic plot template that all movies have, just give it a unique twist.  I would prefer that to unnecessary remakes and reboots.

I have found myself watching less and less current movies because of a general instinctive revulsion towards all the rehashing.  Remakes like The Thing or Total Recall actually make me angry because the original versions of the those films are some of my favourite movies ever and I don't want their legacy damaged by some stupid cash-in.  Someday we'll get a Star Wars remake or a Godfather remake.  It WILL happen and it will be ridiculously embarassing.

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« Reply #168 on: August 01, 2012, 01:07:14 PM »
I can't tell if those of you asking for movies based on anime/manga/videogames are joking or not. :(

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« Reply #169 on: August 01, 2012, 02:14:01 PM »
I have about 30 ideas for new movies, i just need Hollywood to give me money. Im pre-planning a kickstarter campaign. So in the next 6 years if everything goes well you could see 3-5 new movie ideas.
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« Reply #170 on: August 03, 2012, 01:42:05 AM »
I have movie ideas as well. Let's swap stories.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
« Reply #171 on: August 03, 2012, 09:48:03 PM »
I think a Steel movie could work, if they tried it again. Lots of good, black actors to take the roll these days.


Did you mean to imply that Shaquille O'Neal was the greatest African American actor alive and working in 1997?

Lol! I was saying that there werent many people who could fill the role. You at least want a buff guy playing Irons.


Hollywood has almost never had that many original ideas. Many classics are based on books or plays. Comics are just a new medium for Hollywood to farm ideas from. Though some fresh ideas would be nice.
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« Reply #172 on: August 05, 2012, 06:32:03 PM »

Hollywood has no original ideas?

Schindler's List
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
District 9
Poltergeist
Halloween (the original John Carpenter version)
Ridley Scott's Alien
Ridley Scott's Blade Runner
The Fifth Element
The Matrix
Fern Gully
James Cameron's Avatar
Brad Bird's The Iron Giant
Pretty much everything Pixar makes
The Simpsons
South Park
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
« Reply #173 on: August 05, 2012, 06:48:22 PM »
Hollywood has no original ideas?
Ridley Scott's Blade Runner

As much as I love Blade Runner, it was based upon a very successful novel. It could also be argued that The Fifth Element was taken directly from a Heavy Metal short and that The Matrix is little more than an amalgamation of various anime sources. Also, most of the "original" films you list were made decades ago. :P
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« Reply #174 on: August 05, 2012, 08:41:18 PM »
Wasn't Schlinder's list based on a true story?