Topic: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS

[Stogi]

I'd watch a 4 hour movie if all that happened was Morgan Freeman at a desk reading a book out loud.

[TJ Spyke]

I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.

But no, Adam West is older than Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman and both of them are "walk and talk actors" now. So i can't see what Adam West would do that the other two didn't.

Bruce Wayne of Batman Beyond is in his 80s (maybe even 90s since its about 50 years in the future) and needs a cane to even walk around. So he's the right age. And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.

[bustin98]

I think Prometheus showed us that fake old doesn't do it.

I like the idea of Adam West doing it, but I doubt he has the stamina.

TJ, I think you're over-reacting to the Morgan Freeman comment. It was just a comparison, not a suggestion. Though Morgan would probably get a kick out of doing white face...

[Chozo Ghost]

Morgan Freeman could play the joker. That way he could be in white face and there would be a logical reason for it.

[Kairon]

Has Morgan Freeman done any audiobooks? Or should I just watch March of the Penguins with my eyes closed?

[Shaymin]

Audible's got a whole two books with reading by Morgan Freeman.

[Morari]

And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.

Racist.

[oohhboy]

And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.

WHAT THE HELL. Where did this even come from?!

[Oblivion]

And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.

I didn't think he was even talking about Morgan Freeman playing an old Bruce Wayne.

[TJ Spyke]

It sounded like it was being mentioned that Freeman should play Bruce Wayne, when there is no reason at all to do so. There is no reason to change a characters race just for the hell of it.

[Oblivion]

Who fucking cares about race? Are you seriously suggesting that Bruce Wayne will always have to be portrayed as white for the rest of time?

[oohhboy]

Holy **** dude, you just done it AGAIN. Haven't you seen TDKR? Bloody Hell mate.

[TJ Spyke]

I didn't say "Batman", I said "Bruce Wayne". There is a difference.

Obilvion, yes. Wayne is a white character. Should we go and change other characters for no reason? Should we make Romeo and Juliet with Juliet being black? Snow White with Snow White black? Etc. Just make a new character and have them be black. For example, there is a black Captain America but it is not Steve Rogers. There is a black Superman but it is not Clark Kent. I am fine with there being a black Batman, but it shouldn't be Bruce Wayne.

[tendoboy1984]

And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.

WHAT THE HELL. Where did this even come from?!

Ideas for who would play an old Bruce Wayne if they made a Batman Beyond movie. They mentioned Adam West, Michael Keaton, and Morgan Freeman.


Personally I'd pick Clint Eastwood to portray an old Bruce Wayne.

[UncleBob]

I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.

Family Guy?  Have you SEEN the 60's Batman?  How can anyone take him seriously after that?

And for the record - as a huge fan of 60's Batman, that's a compliment.

[Chozo Ghost]

Wayne is a white character.

To date he has, but whenever you do a reboot anything is possible. People complained about Sean Connery playing James Bond because he was Scottish, and then people complained again about Daniel Craig because of him being blonde. But who cares? The Scottish Bond and the Blonde Bond ended up being better than the the more "appropriate" bond played by Pierce Brosnan. So if years from now there is a black James Bond there will no doubt be complainers, but it could turn out good.

What really matters is the individual actor that plays the role. The actor's race isn't important.

[UncleBob]

If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?

[Oblivion]

If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?

That's a totally different argument and completely irrelevant. Is being white a big part of Bruce Wayne's identity? Will him being black change his personality or backstory at all? The answer is no, which means it's perfectly fine to have a black actor play as Wayne.

[Chozo Ghost]

If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?

Malcom X was a real person. That said, its perfectly okay with me... although it would probably look silly. Maybe a white actor playing Malcom X would work better as satire than a serious film?

Batman on the other hand is a FICTIONAL character and that's the key word here. Because Batman is fictional there is a lot of freedom for artistic license.

BTW, did you know Mike Henry who does the voice of Cleveland is a white guy? If a white guy can do a black cartoon character, why can't a black guy do batman? Seems fair to me.

[ThePerm]

Every year, more people die in their own homes than in theaters.

Its not so much dying as dying horrifically that worries me.

Anyway, I get your point and I agree the chances of a similar attack in the near future are slim (but maybe higher than we think though, due to the copycat effect), but regardless I think sitting in a movie theater and thinking about that attack would probably adversely effect my enjoyment of the movie. So I think that's reason enough to just wait.

you could die of a heart attack while waiting for the movie to come out on dvd, and then never see it. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.

the comments on this thread are hilarious.....

[oohhboy]

I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.

But no, Adam West is older than Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman and both of them are "walk and talk actors" now. So i can't see what Adam West would do that the other two didn't.

Didn't you see Morgan Freeman jump up that ladder? The man has some action films in him yet.

Now look what you have done, you made me quote myself. Did I really have to explain the joke? If you actually saw the movie, Morgan Freeman barely made it on to the ladder let alone up it. His pace going to that ladder would be called a walking. For all three, their action days are well behind them. You just had to go and ruin a good joke TJ.

As for old guy who could do Batman, the only real contender to Clint Eastwood just because of the level of fitness he still maintains at his age. The man is like an actor sent back from the future to make us all look bad. Also Liam Nesson could do it just coming from the Taken.

As for a reboot or sequel, I do not envy the person who has to do it besides the paycheck they would be getting. Those are so seriously massive shoes to fill. We were very lucky to get a trilogy this good out of Hollywood. I can only see any attempts to capture that same lighting in a bottle end in failure.

[ThePerm]

Come on UncleBob, there was a definite Christ allegory. Savior Batman sacrifices himself for the sins of Gotham (all of Humanity)
Sure, you say he was alive at the end, but Batman was sacrificed. His money, His manor, His secret identity were all given up for Gotham. Batman was no more. Of course Robin on the other hand...

I thought the point was that "Batman" was, and was meant to be, immortal. Bruce Wayne's moved on, but Robin Blake is there to take his place, etc. If anything, Wayne walking away is rather un-Christ like, since he's basically saying "I've done my part already. Peace out, Gotham."

the Christ thing....how is that not  Christ like? batman just disappears, and people spot him every once in a while. Do you see Christ doing movies? Has he ran for president lately? Where has he been for the last 2000 years? How many days was it before Alfred saw Wayne again? 3 days?

[Plugabugz]

I'm amazed at how despite the blatant statement that "all three are walk and talk actors", and Adam West won't do what Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman didnt - as in past tense, in all three movies - do, I've somehow caused all of the above. Hilarious.

These exact same comments/complaints about "X shouldn't be black!" appeared when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall before Thor started filming. And honestly, he would be a totally badass batman.

[Hey Einstein!]

Racism? The Dark Knight Rises? I fail to see the link.
I mean sure, racism sucks but TDKR only KINDA sucks.

[UncleBob]

Is being white a big part of Bruce Wayne's identity?

I'd actually say that it is.  Bruce Wayne is a billionaire playboy who trashes fancy cars and sleeps through board meetings.  He's the epitome of the 1%... which is the whole point of his cover... he's just another rich white jerk, sitting in his fancy house doing nothing while the rest of us toil away.

But - what if they cast a white guy as Black Lightning, Black Vulcan or, even better, Static or Icon?  If you screw with Dwayne McDuffie'd characters, I'm gonna be mad.