Author Topic: Gamecube2 will beat PS3 (Read 5618 times)

KazuShintaro1 · « **on:** May 18, 2003, 12:03:24 AM »

...but how?

Remember when Nintendo was the video game industry? When NES, SNES ruled the world. Sega Genesis, NEC PC-Engine, Neo-Geo try to challenge the big N but barely made a dent? Remeber when PS1 first came out? the system sold like crap for the first couple of years! ...and now we fans of Nintendo are talking about how much we hate Xbox, yet not even mentioning how can Nintendo challenge SONY and take back the throne!

Nintendo can beat SONY and MS! They have the strongest franchises in the game industry, a reputation as a company that make great games, and they have a very loyal fan base.

But at the same time we also have to recognize Nintendo's current weakness. I believe that if Nintendo can change the following things, we will see Gamecube2 win the next console war.

1. Create a separate, mature Nintedo brand and create the games to support it.
Mario, Luigi, Zelda, are great games, but they appeal to a younger audience and imo, gaming purests... who enjoy a game that doesn't involve killing people with guns and knives. Games like GTA3 and Halo have violent gameplay and a much more adult oriented storyline, and they are top selling games in the US and Europe. Imagine if Nintendo had a strong lineup of "mature" games that had the Nintendo quality of gameplay, storyline, character... add Mario, Pokemon, Zelda into the mix, why would people need another console?

2. Give NOA more power and control and let them make more games!
Metroid Prime is a good example of what NintendoOfAmerica can create. Nintendo HQ in Japan should believe in their US counter parts more and let them make more big budget games like MP. Games that are from NOA can focus more on capturing the mainstream older US audience. Most of these games will be marketed under the mature Nintendo brand, expanding the customer base here in the US by stealing away customers from PS and Xbox's target demographics.

3. Do online the right way
Nintendo is smart. They know that online is unproven and risky. So they let MS and SONY test the waters this time around, and learn from their mistakes. They will figure out what online features will work best for Nintendo fans and do it right. Just wait until F-Zero, Mario Karts, Animal Crossing goes online... the world will loose sleep collectively.

4. Create a sports brand.
Okay, I know this is risky. But sports games in the US and Europe is huge, they consists about %40 of total games sold in these two markets (mostly because they come out with a new version every year rather than every 5 years like Zelda). Sega's sports line is suffering right now with poor sales due to bad marketing, but their games get great reviews and have a loyal following. Why not buy Sega sports? and make their awesome lineup exclusive to Nintendo? The people at Visual Concept are great developers and would thrive with a new boost in confidence from the big N.

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I know that most Nintendo fans LOVE the games that Nintendo puts out. Most of us prefer Japanese RPG over US style RPG's. Most of us don't care about football games or FIFA games... but the rest of North America and Europe does. We need to expand GC's fan base. We're not going to do it by shoving Zelda and Mario down their throats... some people like simpler game play, some people like violent games, some people will only play sports games... it's time to welcome them to the Nintendo family.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2003, 05:34:24 AM »

Gee, I suppose you missed the fast foward section.

Pilotwings · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2003, 04:18:40 PM »

Ummm Sega Genesis kicked Nintendo ass in 1991-1993.

Nintendo's marketshare went from 90% in the NES era to 45-50% in the Genesis/SNES era.

Nintendo only started coming back in 1994 with DKC. but still, Nintendo was never the same after the Genesis ended Nintendo's strangle-hold on the industry. the PC Engine largely did the same in Japan, where the Megadrive failed.

the NeoGeo was a highend arcade quality system that carved out niche at the highend of the 16-bit era. it was never ment to compete directly with SNES.

After the Genesis/SNES era, Sony went on to dominate and Nintendo's marketshare has been dwindling.

The Nintendo GC has finally done many things right. Nintendo must preceed fiercely from now on. their next console must destroy PS3 and XB2, with true CG-type graphics. must have online and internet capability out of the box. must have additional features such as movie&music playback that Nintendo might not want to include but has to because the industry demands it. must have game demos included with the system on a bi-monthly or quarterly basis. must be in the $300 pricepoint and launch next to Sony and MS. must not charge any more royalty fees than Sony. must have CG-like Zelda within a year of launch. etc

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2003, 04:20:50 PM »

well there was that span of 96-9mid 98 where nintendo had the market in a strangle hold again...

kennyb27 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2003, 04:40:12 PM »

Some good points; however, NOA actually didn't "do" Metroid Prime. It was still Nintendo (Japan-based) who ran the relations with Retro Studios of Texas. The reason they allowed Retro this franchise is because they are in the US and they figured it would sell better in the US. NOA is basically nothing more than a "localizer" for games and then publishers. They don't sign the contracts for games or write out the checks for Nintendo's publishers.

Mario · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2003, 02:39:10 AM »

If the next Nintendo machine has the name "Sony" on it, then it will beat PS3. But since the chances of that happening are 0.00001%, then i highly doubt "GC2" will beat "PS3".

DRJ · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2003, 06:08:03 AM »

Nintendo could name their next system PS4 then everyone would buy it. Seriously though, the next generation we might see Nintendo and / or M$ chip away a little at Sony maybe something like 50%/25%/25% or 40%/30%/30%. Sony would have to do something majorly stupid to lose all the lead they have built up. The generation after the next generation we might see a new leader.

Its funny how so many people want to see Nintendo in first, but Nintendo themselves dont even see themselves in direct competition with Sony or M$. They make money their own way and they seem to know what they are doing. The have made good moves and bad moves like every company, but they dont seem concerned, so we shouldnt be either.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2003, 11:01:42 PM »

Sony IS doing something utterly stupid: The Cell processor!

Nintendo Gamecube · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:56:19 AM »

What's Sony's lead right now?

80% to 10% Nintendo and 10% Microsoft

HolyPaladin · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2003, 10:02:23 AM »

Sony has yet to produce a wonderful piece of hardware, with each console being a cobbled pile of crap that doesn't stack up to the other guys (compare N64 to PSX for a night and day difference), so Sony only ended up in the number one spot with the PSX by lucking into it, not by making any marvelous contribution to the industry, and PS2 followed up only by riding the coat tail of the PSX. Sony has yet to do anything that can't be contended with; they only have been really lucky. Luck doesn't last forever.

ThePerm · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2003, 12:25:04 PM »

why do people think sony is unstoppable..its stupid.

fishbonefred · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2003, 07:21:48 PM »

nintendo can put a hurtin' on sony. will they? probably not. nintendo can make the best system ever, but sony not only has a fan base but with all of the other hardware they have out (t.v's ect...) they have the money to buy a francise to make their games, nintendo thinks up new ideas, and makes great games. sony buys new ideas, and sells them to us.

HereticPB · « **Reply #12 on:** August 02, 2003, 10:35:32 PM »

Well like most Japanese companies Sony sees Nintendo do something really good then copies it. Nintendo even copied Atari. Console gaming!

Cars
TVS
Consoles

All copies! or for the computer literate cut and paste.

HtPB

joeamis · « **Reply #13 on:** August 02, 2003, 10:42:25 PM »

with sonys fanbase so huge, it's hard to say what will happen.

sega gave nintendo a run for their money in the genesis/snes days, and it was really just from image.
but nintendo has really grown up since then image wise... mortal kombat 2 was the first small step.

then sega made huge mistakes with sega cd, 32x, and a bad saturn launch.
then playstation made lots of ground on nintendo with image (again, sigh) and exclusive games.
(damnit nintendo you had to piss of square by terminating snes cd and forcing them to seriously cutback on secret of mana's features.....)
had nintendo had final fantasy 7-9 and FF Tactics on n64 instead of playstation.....well....sigh......

now with sonys fanbase of 35+ million consoles in players hands, it's going to be an uphill battle for nintendo, and with sony continuing to get exclusives, including huge seller exclusives
(gran turismo series, final fantasy, metal gear) it's gonna be very hard to beat them.

if sony pulls any kind of sega....then well, nintendos chances will drastically improve.
and if nintendo can get some of the exclusives to also appear on nintendo's next console, well then it's going to be very good indeed for nintendo. (final fantasy 13 on ps3 and N5...droool, metal gear 4 on ps3 and N5....drool begins to make stain on carpet)

(although nintendo's getting final fantasy and metal gear already on GC,,,they're not the corresponding series new games, mainly they're sidequests...)

edit: nintendo has already worked on recent sports games, nba courtside this generation and for n64, and ken griffey on snes and n64... i'm sure they sold well, but they can't compete with EA Sports, and so that's probably why they haven't created a sports brand. sure, they could beat EA Sports... but not in the first year, it would take atleast 2 years for them to challenge EA Sports and Nintendo doesn't have M$ money to lose and pull the M$ "this is building for the future product mentality" (they could beat EA Sports with 1 sports title a year right off the bat, but not in all the sports genres that EA Sports covers)

NintendosFinest · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2003, 04:17:57 AM »

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in the first year, it would take atleast 2 years for them to challenge EA Sports and Nintendo doesn't have M$ money to lose

I dont think that nintendo should try to compete with EA in the sports category. They will get Owned. If N5 launched like 2 months before PS3/XbX2, Nintendo should try to get Madden and Live exclusive for 4 months. Madden sold the PS2 at launch. Who says it cant do the same for N5?

Rich · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2003, 11:36:00 AM »

well if what I hear about Sony's cell processor is true then Sony could be making the mistake we have all been hoping for. From what I've heard the cell processor will be fast and make games look good but will be difficult to develop for. I've also heard(in these forums I think) that Sony is going to making it difficult to port games over from the PS3 to N5 and Xbox2 which could backfire. but i take this with a grian of salt since it is only news from word of mouth and not an official article.

joeamis · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2003, 01:19:24 PM »

double post, sorry

joeamis · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2003, 01:20:47 PM »

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Originally posted by: NintendosFinest
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in the first year, it would take atleast 2 years for them to challenge EA Sports and Nintendo doesn't have M$ money to lose

I dont think that nintendo should try to compete with EA in the sports category. They will get Owned. If N5 launched like 2 months before PS3/XbX2, Nintendo should try to get Madden and Live exclusive for 4 months. Madden sold the PS2 at launch. Who says it cant do the same for N5?

I'm not saying they should compete with EA Sports, I am replying to the first post in this topic where the guy says they should create a sports brand, and from what I said it's clear i think they shouldn't.
(i take it you aimed your response at me not the guy who brought up the idea that nintendo should start a sports brand because you quoted me, not him)

also you quoted me out of context, i said: sure, they could beat EA Sports... but not in the first year, it would take atleast 2 years for them to challenge EA Sports and Nintendo doesn't have M$ money to lose..
making me sound stupid by quoting me as saying: in the first year, it would take atleast 2 years for them to challenge EA Sports.....

There is no way that anyone will be getting Madden or Live exclusive for a set amount of months (unless it happened by chance, with GC and XBOX not releasing until a year later thereby making madden and live exclusive for all that time on ps2), EA would never go for any sort of thing.

ThePerm · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2003, 02:29:46 PM »

fanbases are proeple you know....people make different decisions. Does Sony really have a fanbase? No, they have people who wanted final fantasy X and metal gear solid 2. Will Sony have the fanbase next generation. It could but the mainstream group that runs Sony looks at lineups and determines what is the best. Thats one reason I want Too human at launch.

Shorty McNostril · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2003, 07:45:16 PM »

The only reason Sony sold so well was because of people's devotion to their hi-fi equipment and stuff. If Sony wasn't so idolised in that area I reckon the PS1 & 2 wouldn't have sold nearly as well. If nintendo could break people's devotion then nintendo could rip stright back up to the top leaving everyone else for dead.

blackfootsteps · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2003, 06:42:44 PM »

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Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
The only reason Sony sold so well was because of people's devotion to their hi-fi equipment and stuff. If Sony wasn't so idolised in that area I reckon the PS1 & 2 wouldn't have sold nearly as well. If nintendo could break people's devotion then nintendo could rip stright back up to the top leaving everyone else for dead.

Another reason that has been so far overlooked (i think) is that people could burn PS1 games.

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