Topic: PlayStation All Stars: Better than Super Smash Bros Brawl!

[broodwars]

I'm personally hoping this "leak" is a giant hoax (or that it's just part of a larger set of characters that weren't in the Beta), because I'm pretty underwhelmed by this roster.  We don't need two Coles just so one can have Ice Powers and the other Fire Powers.  As for the others, I'm pretty indifferent since they are either characters I don't know/care about or characters that were a given from Day 1 (like Ratchet).  I was also hoping that maybe Sega might have shown an ounce of common sense and manage to get a Valkyria Chronicles character in the game, considering the Valkyria Chronicles series is actually a Sony-exclusive at the moment.   

I do like that Sly Cooper stage, though.  I wonder what franchise is its partner in that stage, considering all these stages are mash-ups.  Maybe Ape Escape?

[broodwars]

Well, after several useless Beta invites to games I don't care about, I just received an invite to the All Stars Battle Royale Beta.  I'm looking forward to trying that out when I get home tonight.  Pity we aren't allowed to talk about any specifics.   

[broodwars]

Alright, having played a match in the Beta with each of the 6 available characters now, I have to say that however much All Stars looks like Smash Bros. (and wow does it look like it in actual play), it plays almost nothing like it.  I'm not sure how much I can say given that this is a private Beta, so I'll just note this amusing little observation: I had a really hard time getting used to all but one of the "gritty" characters, and I lost by a pretty wide margin.  However, I kicked ass with the cartoony characters (I won all 3 of their matches by a pretty wide margin) and really enjoyed playing as them much more.  Man, though...good luck finding your ****ing character during a given match, since the camera is pulled so far back it's almost like playing New Pork City in Brawl.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Eggghhhh I want a beta code

Is the fightstick support in this beta version?

[broodwars]

Eggghhhh I want a beta code

Is the fightstick support in this beta version?

Not having a fight stick, myself, I wouldn't know if it was.  But from what I've seen of the combat, there's no reason to use a fight stick in this game.  There's no sense of finesse to the combat.  Just pure chaos.

[S-U-P-E-R]

I'd like to be the judge of that. I play Marvel, y'know
edit~
I'm actually more comfortable with sticks than pads in general gaming now, not just fightin' games. If I'm running an emulator or playing a game that doesn't use analog at all, I always use a stick.
 
This also reminds me of when you guys talked about it in that podcast of yours, you missed a big point of having fightstick support. Events!
- people don't like carrying multiple controllers around; almost everyone uses a stick
- wireless controllers are forbidden
 
What's the button layout, anyway?

[broodwars]

What's the button layout, anyway?

If you've played Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and Smash Bros. Brawl, the controls should be familiar to you, as they're essentially a hybrid of the two games' controls in terms of the face buttons.  You have 3 attack buttons (Square,Triangle,Circle) and a jump button (X), which do various things when used in conjunction with various left analog stick directional movements.  The two right shoulder buttons/triggers are devoted to grabbing items (and presumably players, but I've never successfully done it) and activating your current Super.  The other shoulder button is used to activate Sly Cooper's cloaking ability if you're playing as him, or to block if you're playing as anyone else.  I don't remember what L2 does, because I never use it.

[Ceric]

@Broodwars: I'll bet you Super plays the Persona Games with a Stick

[S-U-P-E-R]

Man I'm hitting up all my pals for a beta code for this game. If someone hooks me up, I can make it worth your while ~
 
In a possibly related story, I'll be able to do HD video capture next week :>

[tendoboy1984]

- wireless controllers are forbidden
 

That has to suck, because every modern game console comes with wireless controllers as default. The only way to get a wired controller in most cases is to buy 3rd-party.

[S-U-P-E-R]

It's usually not an issue because about 95% of fighting game players play on sticks. See how this might be a handy feature for All Stars?
 
The dual-shock die-hards play with wired PS2 controllers+USB adapter.

[tendoboy1984]

It's usually not an issue because about 95% of fighting game players play on sticks. See how this might be a handy feature for All Stars?
 
The dual-shock die-hards play with wired PS2 controllers+USB adapter.

What's wrong with using a PS3 controller? Why would tournaments ban wireless controllers?

[broodwars]

It's usually not an issue because about 95% of fighting game players play on sticks. See how this might be a handy feature for All Stars?

While I don't doubt that 95% of Tourney players use Fight Sticks, I severely doubt that 95% of Fighting Game fans as a whole use them.  It's probably closer to 70/30 in favor of traditional controllers, if there are even that many Fight Stick users.

[S-U-P-E-R]

Maybe I shoulda specified "at events"
 

What's wrong with using a PS3 controller? Why would tournaments ban wireless controllers?

The #1 thing is that someone hits the home button, accidentally or on purpose, and interrupts the match on the system they were last playing on.

[broodwars]

Well, Sony just announced something nice for us at GamesCom, though I can't imagine it being good for their bottom line: if you buy the PS3 version of PlayStation All Stars, you get the Vita version for free.  Nice.

[Chozo Ghost]

Sucks that Sony can keep blatantly ripping off Nintendo and getting away with it.

[broodwars]

Sucks that Sony can keep blatantly ripping off Nintendo and getting away with it.

Sucks that you are so emotionally invested in that and keep whining about it.  Besides, I've actually played the game (unlike you, I expect), and it really plays very little like Smash Bros.

[TJ Spyke]

Well, Sony just announced something nice for us at GamesCom, though I can't imagine it being good for their bottom line: if you buy the PS3 version of PlayStation All Stars, you get the Vita version for free.  Nice.

I don't thin it costs them much anyways because I can't see very many people who would have bought both versions of the game. Hell, this is the first i've heard of them having a PSV version.

[broodwars]

Well, Sony just announced something nice for us at GamesCom, though I can't imagine it being good for their bottom line: if you buy the PS3 version of PlayStation All Stars, you get the Vita version for free.  Nice.

I don't thin it costs them much anyways because I can't see very many people who would have bought both versions of the game. Hell, this is the first i've heard of them having a PSV version.

Considering there's a whole team they have to pay working on a Vita version they probably won't get any money off now, I think that's substantially less return than putting out a Vita version few buy.  I guess they're hoping to use this as a loss leader to sell Vita hardware.

[TJ Spyke]

I am not saying the PSV version didn't cost money to make, just that I don't think there are many people who were gonna buy both. People were gonna buy either the PS3 or PSV versions, so they aren't really losing any sales on those who were only gonna buy one version. If anything, this might help convince some people to buy the game now.

[NWR_insanolord]

Offering games this way may work the opposite way for me than it will for most people, in that I'll buy it this way to get the PS3 version instead of just buying the Vita one. I'm still not sold on this specific game, though.

[Luigi Dude]

So it looks like Sony has already revealed the full cast.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/28/playstation-all-stars-no-more-new-characters


Final Roster

    Big Daddy
    Cole MacGrath
    Evil Cole MacGrath
    Colonel Radec
    Dante
    Fat Princess
    Heihachi Mishima
    Jak and Daxter
    Kratos
    Nariko
    Nathan Drake
    PaRappa the Rapper
    Raiden
    Ratchet and Clank
    Sackboy
    Sir Daniel Fortesque
    Sly Cooper
    Spike
    Sweet Tooth
    Toro

[tendoboy1984]

So it looks like Sony has already revealed the full cast.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/28/playstation-all-stars-no-more-new-characters


Final Roster

    Big Daddy
    Cole MacGrath
    Evil Cole MacGrath
    Colonel Radec
    Dante
    Fat Princess
    Heihachi Mishima
    Jak and Daxter
    Kratos
    Nariko
    Nathan Drake
    PaRappa the Rapper
    Raiden
    Ratchet and Clank
    Sackboy
    Sir Daniel Fortesque
    Sly Cooper
    Spike
    Sweet Tooth
    Toro

Needs more 3rd-party characters. I'm dissapointed with the lack of Final Fantasy characters, no Gabe Logan (from Syphon Filter), no Crash Bandicoot (PS1 era), no Persona characters, no .hack characters. What a lame list.


There are a couple characters that don't really belong: "Emo Dante" and Nariko. Everyone associates DMC with the cool, white-haired Dante. And what's the point of putting Nariko in the game? She was only in one game (Heavenly Sword) and she's essentially a Kratos clone.

[Adrock]

Sony owns the Heavenly Sword IP. It makes perfect sense for Nariko to be included and a hell of a lot more sense than evil Cole (since Cole is already in there). I wouldn't call her a Kratos clone. She couldn't jump in Heavenly Sword.

And needs more 3rd party characters? I guess, but they could start with more 1st party characters. Here, we have generally 1 character per series which is kind of a bummer though 20 characters is pretty nice for a 1st installment. God of War could easily had 5 unique choices. I agree with Crash Bandicoot's absence. He's 3rd party, but he did represent Playstation for that entire generation. Same with Spyro.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 3rd parties were weary about licensing their characters to Sony for this game. Once they're in Battle Royal, they probably can't be in Smash Bros. Sakurai is super-picky and from the sound of things, not looking to add many non-Nintendo characters (if any more), but they're probably out of the running entirely if they show up in Battle Royal. I'd bet 3rd parties would rather have their characters show up in Smash Bros. Mega Man for Smash Bros. 4. Keep the dream alive...

[tendoboy1984]

Mega Man for Smash Bros. 4. Keep the dream alive...

Classic or X?