Topic: E3 2010 Day 2 - Sony (& everyone except Nintendo) Press Conference Thread

[Ian Sane]

So because of work I couldn't watch Sony's presentation but the vibe I'm getting is that unlike MS they actually showed like games and such for the Move?  Is that a good assessment?

With the PS3 catching up on the Xbox 360 and Move actually sounding competent I think MS is in a pretty bad spot.  Sony is likely going to take over at number 2.  The PS3 is just on a roll.

Sounds like Nintendo had the best show though.

[ThePerm]

the Sony conference was unfathomally boring. Filled with grey games, and mud brown games

[BlackNMild2k1]

Don't have much time, someone summary for me with pics of anything interesting if possible. Thanx.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I must admit, the Move looks like it could be something good. I can see it being the first real competition for Wii.

Kinect is a fail, though.

I have been saying that for months. Glad to see that you agree.

[Ian Sane]

  the Sony conference was unfathomally boring. Filled with grey games, and mud brown games 

Okay, pretend you viewed it through a black & white screen.  How does it come across then?
 
This greys and browns stuff is as juvenile as crapping on graphics in general.  How could a game like Killzone possibly have bright rainbow colours?  It would look as stupid as Mario with greys and browns!  It should just be about what fits the game.

[Adrock]

Nothing on God of War: Ghost of Sparta? Motherf*cker.... That was the one thing I wanted from Sony at E3. What the f*ck do I own all this Sony hardware for?

Move is a waste. $80 for Wii remote, nunchuck, and Motion Plus is rough, but acceptable because... that's the console's main controller. $80 for a peripheral 4 years into a console's life is a stab in the groin. I own a PS3 and a PSP so I'm not just Sony hating here. It's stupid and as a PS3 owner, I'm not biting. I don't care, especially since there likely will not be a single Move only game or at least one people care about. All Move titles will be Move optional and always Dual Shock 3 ready. And that's why Move is going to fail regardless of how good the controller is or may be. It's hard to get people to care about something when the market is cornered by a competitor and you're so late to the party.

[broodwars]

Nothing on God of War: Ghost of Sparta? Motherf*cker.... That was the one thing I wanted from Sony at E3. What the f*ck do I own all this Sony hardware for?

Move is a waste. $80 for Wii remote, nunchuck, and Motion Plus is rough, but acceptable because... that's the console's main controller. $80 for a peripheral 4 years into a console's life is a stab in the groin. I own a PS3 and a PSP so I'm not just Sony hating here. It's stupid and as a PS3 owner, I'm not biting. I don't care, especially since there likely will not be a single Move only game or at least one people care about. All Move titles will be Move optional and always Dual Shock 3 ready. And that's why Move is going to fail regardless of how good the controller is or may be. It's hard to get people to care about something when the market is cornered by a competitor and you're so late to the party.

In all fairness to Sony, how many Nintendo peripherals have we seen so far that have been used for a couple games and then quickly kicked to the curb?
 
Move is too expensive, but unlike Kinect (which, since it doesn't have a price right now, doesn't look like it'll be cheap) not prohibitively expensive and we already know it will see a fair amount of support with real gamers' games.  I'm still on the fence about buying Move, and frankly I think Sony missed an opportunity by not convincing the Dead Space 2 folks to show off a Move-centric demo of that game (which would have sold me).  Still, I'm optimistic about that peripheral coming out of this show.
 
As for Ghost of Sparta, it's a God of War game.  Take a wild guess what it will look and play like.  They did show a teaser trailer, though.

[BlackNMild2k1]

What is the move pricing structure?

[Adrock]

I don't count the Wii Wheel or the Wii Zapper because they're just shells. The only major peripherals Nintendo released for the Wii so far are the Classic Controller, Motion Plus, the Balance Board, all of which Nintendo supports with peripheral specific software (I include VC titles). None have been kicked to the curb as of yet. My point with Move is that most titles will also use the Dual Shock 3 and the ones that don't are probably available on the Wii in some way, shape, or form. Thus, I'm given no reason to shell $80 for the peripheral plus the Playstation Eye. That was never the point of the console.

And I know what to expect from Ghost of Sparta, doesn't mean I still don't want to see it.

[broodwars]

I don't count the Wii Wheel or the Wii Zapper because they're just shells. The only major peripherals Nintendo released for the Wii so far are the Classic Controller, Motion Plus, the Balance Board, all of which Nintendo supports with peripheral specific software (I include VC titles).

You forget Wii Speak.

[Caliban]

What is the move pricing structure?

http://kotaku.com/5564303/playstation-move-priced-dated-for-september-release

That's $130 if you don't have either of the 3 items needed.

[broodwars]

What is the move pricing structure?

If I remember correctly...
 
-Move Controller: $49.99
-Nav Controller: $29.99
-Move Controller + Playstation Eye + Wii Sports knock-off: $99.99
-PS3 with all the above: $399.99

[Shaymin]

And some games require 2 Move controllers, so you're at $140 already for those. (Any Sony 1st party Move game is $39.99, so thank heavens for small miracles.)

[Adrock]

You forget Wii Speak.

Ok, fair enough. Still, it was $30, not $80. In fact, I bought it new for $6. It's main problem was that the hardware can't support it. The Wii doesn't have enough memory to adequately support it. This is also coupled with the fact that Nintendo Wi-Fi is total ass.

[Halbred]

I wonder if the existing skews of RE5 will get patched to allow Move compatability? I really want to play RE5 with the Move, but I don't want to re-buy the game or lose my progress.

[broodwars]

I wonder if the existing skews of RE5 will get patched to allow Move compatability? I really want to play RE5 with the Move, but I don't want to re-buy the game or lose my progress.

Well, considering the RE 5 Gold Edition was specifically mentioned by name in the list of games that would get Move compatibility, I definitely think we're looking at a patch or DLC.  Which is awesome because that game needs RE4 Wii controls.

[ShyGuy]

I'm holding off on buying RE5 until I get confirmation on move.

[Halbred]

No, I mean the version of RE5 I already own. The launch version. I also bought all the DLC (which was worth it). The Gold Edition is supposedly Move-compatible already, so I'm just wondering about a patch for my launch game.

[broodwars]

I'm holding off on buying RE5 until I get confirmation on move.

They already confirmed at the Press Conference that it's getting Move support.

And Halbred, as far as I know the only difference between the Gold and normal editions are the presence of the DLC features.  I'd be very surprised if Capcom required you to buy the Gold Edition to use the Move patch, considering they didn't require you to buy the Gold Edition to get the DLC chapters.

[NWR_insanolord]

Resident Evil 5 and Killzone 3 are going to get me to buy Move, but it sucks that I'm going to have to buy new hardware to play the kinds of games that should have come to the Wii years ago.

[ShyGuy]

Resident Evil 5 and Killzone 3 are going to get me to buy Move, but it sucks that I'm going to have to buy new hardware to play the kinds of games that should have come to the Wii years ago.

THIS

[Adrock]

I was sorely disappointed in the Gold Edition. The extra chapters were short and lame and The Mercenaries Reunion was a separate mode from the regular Mercenaries so you couldn't team Jill and Rebecca and so on. Lamezorz.

[Ian Sane]

I'm not that interested in the Killzone series but Killzone 3 kind of shows you the difference in "audience awareness" between Sony and Nintendo.  What has everyone asked for since DAY ONE that the Wii was shown?  An FPS.  That's easily the most requested thing.  Metroid Prime 3 just created more interest (and it's not an FPS).  People bought a **** game like Red Steel just because they liked the concept.  A nothing game like The Conduit gets hyped to hell.  And yet Nintendo has just sat on their hands and focuses their attention on Wii Music and replacing buttons with waggle in their core games.  Sony makes their motion control and, BOOM, first thing they do is an FPS.

Sony has looked like a dumb jackass this gen with their overpricing of the PS3 and the whole PSP mess.  But they got this right.  Nintendo has had years to make that FPS game everyone wanted and have pissed it away.  Core gamers associated motion control with casual focused junk.  MS continues that trend.  Sony gives everyone the game they wanted years ago right off the bat.  And frankly I think that makes Nintendo look really stupid and just enforces their casual-focused image.

[Adrock]

And yet 99% of people will play Killzone 3 with a Dual Shock 3.

[broodwars]

I'm not that interested in the Killzone series but Killzone 3 kind of shows you the difference in "audience awareness" between Sony and Nintendo.  What has everyone asked for since DAY ONE that the Wii was shown?  An FPS.  That's easily the most requested thing.  Metroid Prime 3 just created more interest (and it's not an FPS).  People bought a **** game like Red Steel just because they liked the concept.  A nothing game like The Conduit gets hyped to hell.  And yet Nintendo has just sat on their hands and focuses their attention on Wii Music and replacing buttons with waggle in their core games.  Sony makes their motion control and, BOOM, first thing they do is an FPS.

Sony has looked like a dumb jackass this gen with their overpricing of the PS3 and the whole PSP mess.  But they got this right.  Nintendo has had years to make that FPS game everyone wanted and have pissed it away.  Core gamers associated motion control with casual focused junk.  MS continues that trend.  Sony gives everyone the game they wanted years ago right off the bat.  And frankly I think that makes Nintendo look really stupid and just enforces their casual-focused image.

That's actually what I really liked about the Sony Press Conferences of these past couple years: for all their screw-ups, Sony has shown that they actually understand their audience, the people who actually bought PS3s and (more importantly) the people in the audience.  The language, the game selection, and the presentation are all geared towards targeting that audience.  When Kevin Butler went up on stage today, sure it was grandstanding and he wasn't particularly saying anything Nintendo hasn't been saying for years, but the way he presented it was more in line with core gamers and the gaming culture.  You listen to the crowd, and they're clearly into it.  Sometimes I get the feeling during Nintendo's presentations that I'm being talked down to (though not this year), but I don't usually get that from Sony.  Sony will make stupid mistakes and tends to have pacing issues with their event, but they do know how to command a room.