Topic: Demand for DJ Hero Below Expectations According to Analysts

[GoldenPhoenix]

It's obvious that Deg and D_Average don't like each other.  Can you do me a favor and just not interact with each other?

D_Average's comment in this particular thread is no different than half the joke's someone like Pro makes on these boards that everyone thinks is hilarious.  Deg you are making it more personal than it has to be and just inciting a response from D_Average.

Seriously guys, just avoid each other.

I personally would like to see a DJ fight to the death between them to advertise DJ Hero.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

It's obvious that Deg and D_Average don't like each other.  Can you do me a favor and just not interact with each other?

D_Average's comment in this particular thread is no different than half the joke's someone like Pro makes on these boards that everyone thinks is hilarious.  Deg you are making it more personal than it has to be and just inciting a response from D_Average.

Seriously guys, just avoid each other.

Hey, I don't directly harass people.  Would you like me to do so, to make it clear?

[NWR_Lindy]

Tell, how was D_Average's comment in this thread directly harrassing anybody?  It was a stupid comment, but it's one that can be safely ignored since it wasn't directly aimed at anybody.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Tell, how was D_Average's comment in this thread directly harrassing anybody?  It was a stupid comment, but it's one that can be safely ignored since it wasn't directly aimed at anybody.

Lindy you got 99 problems*, but this shouldn't be one.


*So how is NWR 2.0 coming along?

[Arbok]

New DDR games released yesterday say 'hi'. They still sell well enough. The Wii ones seem to be doing well.

DDR did shrink in popularity, but it has stabilized and is a sustainable genre. They seem able to release at least one version a year for each system and also make special editions like the Disney one.

So I suspect that the instrument rhythm games will shrink but stabilize as well. In the end I expect the Bock Band platform to survive and Activision will definitely slow down it's release of Guitar/Band Hero games. Both series can survive in a compressed music game market.

Yeah but the DDR games are a one company show... the franchise has no serious competition. The same could not be said of Guitar Hero/Rock Band. To get to that more normalized "one release a year, plus special edition" type of schedule, one of those franchises will have to go away.

The market won't dissipate, the genre has wider appeal than Tony Hawk did, but clearly it has already hit its peak and is diminishing in sales. If Viacom hasn't made money during the height of the genre, I am somehow skeptical that they will turn their fortunes around when the genre is on a downward slide.

On a random note, why was Pro brought up in the D_Average/Deg thing? (Pro for life/president/ruler of the universe!)

[NWR_DrewMG]

*So how is NWR 2.0 coming along?

You should see the Last.fm, Facebook and Twitter integration.  It's OUT OF THIS WORLD.

[BlackNMild2k1]

On a random note, why was Pro brought up in the D_Average/Deg thing? (Pro for life/president/ruler of the universe!)

Pale mentioned that what D_Avg said was no different than random comments that Pro makes.
Pro implied that D_Avg is always trying to harass people with his comments.
Lindy replied directly to Pro's implication.

Tune in next week to see what happens on As the NWorldR Turns.

*So how is NWR 2.0 coming along?

You should see the Last.fm, Facebook and Twitter integration.  It's OUT OF THIS WORLD.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=23819.msg559995#msg559995

[D_Average]

I will gladly avoid Deg as I have been doing.  He has reached out to me first these last few weeks.  Everybody on these boards makes random comments like that. Deg's just looking for another petty argument. If he hates me so much why not back it up and challenge me at the ultimate fighter?  Mortal Kombat 2. PSN version of course.  I'll even go easy. No fatalties.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Oh gahd. Is it next week already?

[Pale]

I will gladly avoid Dug as I have been doing.  He has reached out to me first these last few weeks.  Everybody on these boards makes random comments like that. Dug's just looking for another petty argument. If he hates me so much why not back it up and challenge me at the ultimate fighter?  Mortal Kombat 2. PSN version of course.  I'll even go easy. No fatalties.

Well next time please just ignore his jab and don't respond as you did.

[vudu]

Tell, how was D_Average's comment in this thread directly harrassing anybody?  It was a stupid comment, but it's one that can be safely ignored since it wasn't directly aimed at anybody.

This thread doesn't exist in a vacuum. 

[that Baby guy]

Back onto music games...

Like I said, as time passes the cost of design decreases, which helps to negate declining numbers.  While DJ Hero isn't a shining example because it represents a new cost of entry into the genre, the actual music games will have an easier time making money as time passes.  A major reason why the Rock Band sector hadn't made money was acquiring the Beatles license to actually create the Beatles Rock Band, wasn't it?

I still believe that if you give it time, there's room for a music game genre.  If there's not room for two different series in the game, then we'll see a compromise solution where both developing groups publish to the same platform, but neither are going to back out completely.

As far as DDR goes, in the arcades, it has major competition, but at home, the competition was never stiff.  Other Bemani and a game, something like "Step it up" or "Beatmania," I can't recall, using a different button panel in the shape of an "x" is actually easier to find than DDR is now, at least in a lot of places.  It's not like it didn't go through competition, and like it's been said, despite it's age, DDR churns out several sequels every year, with much less appeal than Guitar Hero and Rock Band.  Don't forget Rock Band has yet to begin accepting songs from garage bands and the like.  There's definitely a process to bring the franchise to the black underway.

[Mop it up]

Whenever there's a new or untapped genre or sub-genre introduced it goes through a "craze" period like this. It happened with puzzle games and fighting games, among others. I still can't believe how many Tetris knock-offs were created back in the day and I can't even count how many Street Fighter and related games there were. But eventually things slow down and companies stick to no more than one yearly release.

[D_Average]

As long as we have kareokee we will have music games.

[Deguello]

Tell, how was D_Average's comment in this thread directly harrassing anybody?  It was a stupid comment, but it's one that can be safely ignored since it wasn't directly aimed at anybody.

Perhaps because it seemed like we would always warn or ban people who don't make productive posts and just spread idiocy when I was a mod.  I don't know if the rule changed but we've certainly become more tolerant of trolls around here.  Especially since he, once again, did that retarded name-spelling bull**** that you already warned him THREE TIMES about.

And his defense to all this is "Internet is serious business" which basically means he thinks this place is just a troll zone that he can play around in, or some kind of clubhouse.

Well next time please just ignore his jab and don't respond as you did.

And Pale, would you prefer Pro ignore the out-of-left-field inclusion into the same category as a guy who continually directly insults me with bullcrap like "Dug?"  Because it seems like a false equivalency when Pro has actually been a productive member of the forum for quite a long time and this guy has been a pain in the ass from day one.  In fact, I'm kinda tired of being declared equivalent to him just because we "don't like each other."  Of course we don't.  He's broken the forum's rules several times with reckless abandon and personally insulted me several times and I've just had to sit there and take it because I know blowing up in return would reflect poorly on me and that I have faith in the mods to take care of the issue.

Also, It's not like I lay dormant on the forums waiting for D_Average to post and then strike like a python.  I have real world stuff to do like college, including the exams and campus jobs therein.  When I do have free time, I usually come see the discussions and this one intrigued me.  And then I see his pointless post which adds nothing, not even a snarky joke at anything.  Notice I only commented to his in passing in a full post about the subject's material.  It not like I wanted to derail the thread.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Look on the bright side, there are 2 new moderators that'll ignore trolling with the same enthusiasm as staff.  Non-mods befitting of a site for non-gamers and their non-game playing machines.

[NWR_Lindy]

Deg, do you think that Pale and I don't have real world stuff to do as well?  Do you think we take pleasure in refereeing you two?  (Hint: we don't)

The fact is that in this thread you took the first shot when you could have taken the high road.  Once you did that, D_Average's response was entirely predictable (not that that makes it right).  Furthermore, don't tell me you're concerned with thread derailment when you post your lengthy responses begging for further discussion.

Just as was the case with Ian Sane (who was asked to tone it down, and has since done so), we aren't going to ban somebody just because you have a long-running personal feud with them.  D_Average may make some stupid posts, but what you don't realize is that a lot of other people do too.  You just don't have issues with them, so you don't perceive their silliness/stupidity as a problem.

 

[vudu]

Especially since he, once again, did that retarded name-spelling bull**** that you already warned him THREE TIMES about.

FIXED!

Deg, do you think that Pale and I don't have real world stuff to do as well? 

It's a good thing I don't! At least not until I get bored. 

[Deguello]

Deg, do you think that Pale and I don't have real world stuff to do as well?  Do you think we take pleasure in refereeing you two?  (Hint: we don't)

Where did I insinuate that I didn't?  I'm saying that I don't lie in wait to ambush D_Average in random topics.  And there's the problem right there.  there is no "refereeing" needed.  He's broken several forum rules as well as personally trolled me, when in return I HAVE taken the high road and appealed to you and the mods for relief and gotten nothing but insults from him and inaction from mods.

The fact is that in this thread you took the first shot when you could have taken the high road.  Once you did that, D_Average's response was entirely predictable (not that that makes it right).  Furthermore, don't tell me you're concerned with thread derailment when you post your lengthy responses begging for further discussion.

I didn't continue this derailment, in fact my post after I lamented D_Average's actual attempt at derailing the thread, I continued talking about the topic's subject.

Just as was the case with Ian Sane (who was asked to tone it down, and has since done so), we aren't going to ban somebody just because you have a long-running personal feud with them.

Excuse me, but did you forget the part where he's personally insulted me, several other people on this forum, and the whole forum itself?  Even in this very thread?  He's a chronic rule-breaker and you're telling me he gets away with it because he chooses to antagonize me and that makes it a "personal feud?"  Yeah, he ticks me off.  He personally insults me and gets away with it because he personally insults just me, making it a "personal feud?"  Every civil channel I try to use fails and he gets to continue his constant trolling of every thread and myself because he doesn't care about the rules and I do?  Who wouldn't get angry at that?

And I never asked for Ian Sane to be banned.  I was a mod then, so if I wanted him banned I would have done it myself.  I just thought his repetitive posts could be considered trolling back in like, 2004.  I'd take three Ians compared to this guy.  I never even knew the meaning of troll until this D_average guy showed up.  I still resent that you guys are trying to make this a "personal feud."  We he trolled me the first time I went to you first, while he continued insulting me.  Every time I have appealed to the mods and thus far have gotten zero result besides a few limp warnings which just encouraged him to do more.  It is not right, nor is it fair.

I think what should be considered is what will become of the rest of the forum if a clear, chronic, caustic rule-breaker does not get dealt with.  What is the incentive to follow the rules if there is no consequence for breaking them?

[BlackNMild2k1]

Furthermore, don't tell me you're concerned with thread derailment when you post your lengthy responses begging for further discussion.

you don't say....

[EasyCure]

Furthermore, don't tell me you're concerned with thread derailment when you post your lengthy responses begging for further discussion.

you don't say....

Deg's response? I'll take a stab at this one:

Excuse me, Princess!

*note: bolded words were added by me.

[KDR_11k]

So yeah, who actually WANTS to be a DJ?

[Stratos]

So yeah, who actually WANTS to be a DJ?

I was actually talking to a co-worker today about DJ Hero and both of us are really curious about the game, but neither of us want to invest more money in another plastic instrument.

But I really did enjoy playing Beatmania in the arcades before and would love to try something like it again. The entry fee of expensive plastic is just too high to play once again.

The day Rock Band and Guitar Hero games force me to upgrade from my GH3 and WT equipment for whatever reason is the day I quit playing and buying those games.

[EasyCure]

So yeah, who actually WANTS to be a DJ?

I was actually talking to a co-worker today about DJ Hero and both of us are really curious about the game, but neither of us want to invest more money in another plastic instrument.

But I really did enjoy playing Beatmania in the arcades before and would love to try something like it again. The entry fee of expensive plastic is just too high to play once again.

The day Rock Band and Guitar Hero games force me to upgrade from my GH3 and WT equipment for whatever reason is the day I quit playing and buying those games.

or so you say
I feel the same way though and to be honest I'm not surprised that (at least activision) didn't try to come up with some new features for their guitars to get suckers to dorp more money on at least upgrading that. Then later updates for the rest of the instruments... yeeesh.

As for the other question brought up, i WAS curious in at least trying DJ Hero.. which i did. Didn't mean my expectations to be honest. I thought it'd be fun "mixing" tracks like that and getting to scratch the record but I couldn't enjoy it. The first time i saw the game being played at best buy the chump put it on easy and it didn't look terribly difficult so i figured when i get the chance, i'll at least put it on medium which i did and it still didn't feel challenging at all, and just wasn't very fun in general. To be honest though, i must of been doing SOMETHING wrong since during the 3 song quickplay setlist of the demo they had, i kept getting just ONE star lol.

[BlackNMild2k1]

My sister approached me to go halfs with her on DJ Hero, she doesn't really play video games but she likes hip-hip/rap so I do find it a bit shocking. She even offered to pay more than half after I looked less than enthusiastic about it.
Maybe I'll just get it for her for Giftmas.