Topic: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare coming to Wii 11/10/09

[BlackNMild2k1]

There is no censorship on the Wii version, no missing content. everything is there.... minus a few shadows and papers blowing through the streets. It's just not in an HD detailed resolution.

I still think DVD vs VCR would fit your argument better.
Your explanation doesn't fit your argument, so I will just wait for your blog rant where maybe you can explain yourself better.

[Stratos]

Content may not be sacrificed, but meaning is. Why bother with a version of a piece of art that is far and away from the author's intentional meaning? Graphical fidelity has a larger meaning here than just pretty pictures.

Because most games are not pieces of art?

I can go back and enjoy classic movies with poor and grainy video quality.

[Halbred]

Stratos, ALL games are pieces of art. Some are shitty, but all require some creative effort beyond the practical. They are pieces of art. I'll talk about this in the blog post too.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Six Dollar Burger vs. Whopper

[ShyGuy]

I think dinosaurs are art.

[Halbred]

To a certain degree, that's true. Any life restoration (or skeletal restoration that's based on incomplete material) is inherently creative, so it is art.

[ShyGuy]

I think a kitty cat is art.

[Stratos]

What I mean by that is the primary point of a game is to entertain. It's primary purpose is not found in the art. Art can play a part, but having fun and being entertained is more why it exists.

[Halbred]

Well, sure. Under that standard, there's nothing wrong with it. I just think Infinity Ward's vision for what the game is and its message is largely dependant on its visuals.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Looks like Treyarch translated the message(& the "vision") pretty well, now if only Activision would allow them to tell someone that they did it.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Imagine Black Hawk Down in black & white and running on YouTube circa 2005.  That's what this game is.

[Mop it up]

I still think DVD vs VCR would fit your argument better.

DVD movies usually have a lot of extra content like behind-the-scenes, gag reels, commentary, etc which the VHS versions don't have. Is this game missing any content? If not, then I think that Blu-Ray vs. DVD is a better comparison since as far as I know the only difference is picture quality.

[ShyGuy]

Digitallly Remastered Disney Classic vs .VHS copy taped off the Disney Channel in 1992.

BUY NOW BEFORE IT GOES BACK IN THE DISNEY VAULT FOREVER

[BlackNMild2k1]

But I already own it.... bootleg 8mm handycam in the theater version

[ShyGuy]

bootleg 8mm handycam = torrentz in this metaphor.

[BranDonk Kong]

I can't give anymore impressions for now, I've got too much school work to do for the next couple days. The "director's cut" vs "edit cut" argument is complete bullshit (no offense). The only differences are the graphics, lack of split screen, and kill cam. Other than that (unless I missed something else), it's the exact same game. Blu Ray vs DVD is a much, much more accurate argument. There are no missing scenes, no censorship, etc. The game is not missing any actual content.

[oohhboy]

Imagine Black Hawk Down in black & white and running on YouTube circa 2005.  That's what this game is.

ROLF. It wouldn't be that much different since day everything looked white and brown and at night black and green. Considering you couldn't really tell one marine apart from another, I doubt having a higher resolution would have made much of a difference.

I might have won more awards for being more "ARTY".

[KDR_11k]

Stratos, ALL games are pieces of art. Some are shitty, but all require some creative effort beyond the practical. They are pieces of art. I'll talk about this in the blog post too.

Doesn't mean we have to appreciate them as art.

[rbtr]

Most games that consider themselves "art" are really terrible.

The only game I would call art is tetris, because it is a pinnacle of game design.  It exemplifies everything that a game should be, and I think that puts in a better position to be art than something like braid which just has pretty pictures.

I guess electroplankton too, but I don't even count it as a game.  It's an artists installation piece on your DS.

[NWR_Lindy]

Content may not be sacrificed, but meaning is. Why bother with a version of a piece of art that is far and away from the author's intentional meaning? Graphical fidelity has a larger meaning here than just pretty pictures.

What's lost is the immersion factor.  Modern Warfare was so good on 360 because it was so immersive, due to its incredibly lifelike visuals and sound design.  Its controls were tight and it had some minor design innovations, but its true raison d'etre was its visceral delivery of the combat experience.  It eclipsed everything up to that point.

Take that away, and you don't have much.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Are you saying that Reflex isn't immersing?
Have either of you played the game?


speaking of that, has there been a review copy sent out yet?
who is gonna review it?

[GoldenPhoenix]

Content may not be sacrificed, but meaning is. Why bother with a version of a piece of art that is far and away from the author's intentional meaning? Graphical fidelity has a larger meaning here than just pretty pictures.

What's lost is the immersion factor.  Modern Warfare was so good on 360 because it was so immersive, due to its incredibly lifelike visuals and sound design.  Its controls were tight and it had some minor design innovations, but its true raison d'etre was its visceral delivery of the combat experience.  It eclipsed everything up to that point.

Take that away, and you don't have much.

Eclipsed everything? Someone obviously didn't play the previous 3 CoD games. Also Crysis blows it away in visuals, and innovations. I get sick of people forgetting the Cs oD series existed in a similar form on PC long before it was, gimp..., I mean ported on consoles. I loved the series at one time but i grew tired of it right around the time it became the cool thing to think it was the bestest game ever.

[ShyGuy]

Immersion is relative. What's immersive this gen is "Teh ugliest trash evar" next gen.

[KDR_11k]

Immersion is a bullshit buzzword that has no definition but gets thrown around happily. What CoD4 did was make you feel like you're in a movie, not like you're in a real war (real war is a lot less glorious and much more terrifying, too bad our only chance to see that executed as a horror game died when Six Days in Fallujah got sabotaged by the media, meanwhile you can play something like Operation Flashpoint for all your belly crawling, shooting at distant figures needs). Anyone got a link to that Destructoid editorial about immersion at hand?

[GoldenPhoenix]

Immersion is subjective, for me I don't find it immersive when I have to aim with an analog stick. In fact that sucks me right out of a game, while games on PC or Wii which utilize aiming I find much more immersible because of the ease to aim. It can have all the flashy graphics and set pieces in the world (which the CoD series basically is, lots of different action set pieces) but if I have to control it with a dual analog controller all of that goes down the drain fast when it comes to my enjoyment.