Topic: Star Trek Online is official!

[GoldenPhoenix]

I am so excited for this game, I hope they don't run into the "jedi syndrome" from SWG where everyone has their own ship.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/894/894459p1.html

This ALMOST makes up for Ghostbusters being shelved.

[NWR_insanolord]

I'm not so much excited as I am scared. This game is going to destroy me. I was afraid of what EVE online, essentially Escape Velocity in MMO form, would do to me, and now there's an MMO that is going to let me be a Starfleet Captain? I'm going to be one of those guys that die at their computer because they played an MMO for 70 straight hours. Those will be 70 awesome hours, though.

[Morari]

Can we leave out all references to Deep Space Nine and Enterprise? Thanks.

[Spak-Spang]

Enterprise Definitely needs to be left out.

But Deep Space Nine was a very good Star Trek series.  It took the series in a different direction and it was fun...much better than Voyager...that sucked.

This game will be very cool if you basically are given special roles and assigned a Star Ship...or you can also choose your own Star Ship Crew.  But you need the basics:  Doctor, Science Officer, Second in Command, Engineer, ect. ect.

[Morari]

Yeah, it took Star Trek in a direction that involved no trekking and dubious "moral" choices. It was a failed attempt at making the franchise dark and gritty when it didn't need to be. Tons of episodes from The Next Generation brought about such questions in a way concurrent with the Star Trek atmosphere and they worked wonderfully.

Besides, playing as some Star Fleet cadet will be boring. I want to be a Klingon honor guard!

[Ceric]

I don't see this working as an entertaining game.  That said I want to be a the Captain of a Starfleet repair ship.

[NWR_insanolord]

Morari, why must we always be on opposite sides? Deep Space 9 was by far the best Trek series and in my opinion the best television drama period. There was plenty of trekking once they got the Defiant and the darker tone was way more interesting than everything being unrealistically perfect like in TNG and Voyager; characters without flaws aren't interesting at all. It also helped that the writing was unbelievably good.

I actually really enjoyed Enterprise, and anyone who hasn't already done so really has to watch the 4th season of Enterprise, it's about 20 times better than the first three.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I don't think Star Trek ever really had a particular tone, TOS was campy beyond belief, TNG became more serious as time went on, DS9 was a darker time for the federation, voyager was in between TOS and TNG in style, and Enterprise was filled with the wonder of exploration that also comes with naivety.  In fact of all the bashing of Enterprise continuity I would say TOS is the worse (Traveling thousands of lightyears in a couple of days anyone?) when it comes to fitting in.

[oohhboy]

Enterprise was trash. DS9 has some of the best episodes (Section 13) and most hated characters in trek (Winn). Voyager while overall was pretty mundane, had some excellent episodes like the Doctor's moral breakdown. TNG has Picard and great Q episodes, but did come off a bit too clean. It also brought us First Contact, a great movie.

TOS has to be watched while taking in to consideration of the time it was made, like Adam West Batman. Technical issues aside seeing it was never made to be to be scrutinized as closely as neckbeards do these days with any show, it's pretty good. Da Daa Da Da Daaa Da Daa.

As for this game, it looks good graphically. As for game play, it's going to be very difficult to see how it would work. Is it going to b about away missions? or EVE clone? Messy half half of each? Ships are own individually, or are basically flying clan rooms? Beside all the technical problems how is it going to overcome the WOW factor?

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think Star Trek ever really had a particular tone, TOS was campy beyond belief, TNG became more serious as time went on, DS9 was a darker time for the federation, voyager was in between TOS and TNG in style, and Enterprise was filled with the wonder of exploration that also comes with naivety.  In fact of all the bashing of Enterprise continuity I would say TOS is the worse (Traveling thousands of lightyears in a couple of days anyone?) when it comes to fitting in.

TOS was certainly the worst continuity wise, they didn't care at all about it. For all the people that bash Enterprise's continuity, I can only find one real continuity error, that the Romulan ships in Minefield had cloaking devices.

Also, if you haven't watched season 4 of Enterprise you have no right to comment on the quality of the series.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I don't think Star Trek ever really had a particular tone, TOS was campy beyond belief, TNG became more serious as time went on, DS9 was a darker time for the federation, voyager was in between TOS and TNG in style, and Enterprise was filled with the wonder of exploration that also comes with naivety.  In fact of all the bashing of Enterprise continuity I would say TOS is the worse (Traveling thousands of lightyears in a couple of days anyone?) when it comes to fitting in.

TOS was certainly the worst continuity wise, they didn't care at all about it. For all the people that bash Enterprise's continuity, I can only find one real continuity error, that the Romulan ships in Minefield had cloaking devices.

Also, if you haven't watched season 4 of Enterprise you have no right to comment on the quality of the series.

And even that was rectified in Season 4 with Coto's hilarious reset of the previous 3 seasons.

[Morari]

Morari, why must we always be on opposite sides? Deep Space 9 was by far the best Trek series and in my opinion the best television drama period. There was plenty of trekking once they got the Defiant and the darker tone was way more interesting than everything being unrealistically perfect like in TNG and Voyager; characters without flaws aren't interesting at all. It also helped that the writing was unbelievably good.

I actually really enjoyed Enterprise, and anyone who hasn't already done so really has to watch the 4th season of Enterprise, it's about 20 times better than the first three.

I didn't realize that we were always on opposite sides. Does this make us enemies?

Anyway, I can certainly see why DS9 might appeal to many folks (and indeed does), but it never did anything for me. I never felt that TNG was "unrealistically perfect", it just had morally grounded characters. Star Trek is supposed to be set in the far future, which will supposedly be an enlightened time without religion or money (as far as the Federation goes). DS9 puts a lot of these ideas to rest and portrays the Federation as just another power hungry government making plans within plans to dictate its people and everyone else. I don't need a television show for that, I can watch the news. Add in the fact that I never found any of the characters particularly interesting (a problem Voyager struggled with at times as well) and that a good chunk of the entire series was meta plot about a boring war or the boring Bjorn religion and it's no wonder it never interested me. I pretty much gave up on the X-Files once its episodes become one big continuation after another. It's just not a format I desire outside of Twin Peaks.

For my money, TNG is by far the best Star Trek available after taking into account a large variety of aspects. It probably helps however that Gene Roddenberry had laid the ground rules and was even around for most of its production. Deep Space Nine simply never felt like Star Trek to me. Voyager can feel like Star Trek most of the time, even if it is usually fairly mediocre.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't know how you could see the Dominion war as boring; the Bajoran religious stuff was at times (though the final arc of it with Winn and Dukat was great) but the Dominion war was what made DS9 great. Even if it had been boring, though, it gave us the episode In the Pale Moonlight, so it was still worth it. I do agree that DS9 didn't feel like Star Trek at times, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. And I can definitely see not liking DS9 if you don't like strong continuity from episode to episode. I'm the other way, though, my favorite TV dramas are all like that.

[Maverick]

...an enlightened time without religion or money...

Stealth politics!   

[Plugabugz]

Can we leave out all references to Deep Space Nine and Enterprise? Thanks.

TAKE THAT BACK. DS9 was the best of the bunch; i liked the fact that there was a general lingering feeling of negativity in that series other than the fact that they still haven't found a cure for baldness yet.

[S-U-P-E-R]

I would like to try this game, i would roll a shaman and also try to re-enact every scene in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQVc79FE5Bo&feature=related

[Smash_Brother]

I'm more worried that this will be just another WoW clone with a Star Trek skin on it.

Combat in the Star Trek universe is fairly rare and thus more meaningful when it happens. Combat in MMOs is commonplace. Let's hope they can find a way to make the experience authentic without falling into the standard MMO grinding traps.

[ReverendNoahWhateley]

TOS has to be watched while taking in to consideration of the time it was made, like Adam West Batman.

West Batman is as intentionally hilarious and bizarre today as it was in the 60's.  Writer Lorenzo Semple didn't like Cold War era comic books or 60's culture, and was prophetic in predicting how silly they'd look in retrospect. 

Although I loved TNG, that's the only Star Trek series I've ever been able to enjoy.  One of my favorite races was the Ferengi, but they sorta turned into total goofballs in DS9.

[wandering]

I would like to try this game, i would roll a shaman and also try to re-enact every scene in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQVc79FE5Bo&feature=related

Pretty funny. Also, that music is amazing, especially the second track.

I think I'm going to reenact Stephen Ratliff's Marrissa stories.

[BranDonk Kong]

*Edit - nevermind, thought this was the funhouse for a second.

[S-U-P-E-R]

I wonder what the community will be like, and what the guild-equivalent structure will be like. Who wants to join mine?? It's called <SPACE VIRGINS>!!

[ShyGuy]

Excellent live blog of the unveiling at 1up: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169271