Topic: Fatal Frame IV

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

If we got Fatal Frame and Disaster in the same month, that would be scary horror plus on-rails.  The end result would be Umbrella Chronicles, right?

[BeautifulShy]

So the game is being localized for Europe.IGN is reporting that North America might not get the title.I don't know the details so I think we should wait and see if this turns out to be true.

[ShyGuy]

If this is true.....

TYP we need you to do something for us. How comfortable are you with kidnapping the CEO of one of the most powerful companies in Japan? If you can do this, I will PM the ransom demands.

[broodwars]

As I posted in the talkback thread about FFIV coming to Europe, after this announcement Nintendo has no right to complain about a lack of 3rd party support on Wii.  Not when they took a possibly major 3rd party release they publish and withhold it from us.  It's nonsense like this that makes me really tempted to sell off my Wii and use it to fill in the gaps in my growing PS3 collection.  This just makes no sense whatsoever.

[GoldenPhoenix]

As I posted in the talkback thread about FFIV coming to Europe, after this announcement Nintendo has no right to complain about a lack of 3rd party support on Wii.  Not when they took a possibly major 3rd party release they publish and withhold it from us.  It's nonsense like this that makes me really tempted to sell off my Wii and use it to fill in the gaps in my growing PS3 collection.  This just makes no sense whatsoever.

Yeah we'll have to settle for Monster Hunter 3, Little King's Story, Muramusa, Ghostbusters, Cold Mountain, Sin & Punishment 2, Boy and His Blob, Overlord, Boom Blox Bash Party, and Conduit for the next several months . What shall we ever do without fatal frame IV!?!? Nintendo sucks!

Seriously when did Fatal Frame the Fatal Frame series become a massive or even major release? They've sold decently but far from some major system seller. Is it disappointing? Yes, but considering the great slate of upcoming 3rd party games it really isn't that big of a deal anymore. Heck if you are REALLY mad you can spend some of your money on HOTD:O, Rune Factor Wii, Tenchu, Deadly Creatures or Madworld that have been released in the last couple of months. That will show Nintendo.

Or you can buy the fantastic and new classic, Ninja Blade for PS3/360. With a side of the extremely innovative Killzone 2!

[ShyGuy]

What about when they fail to localize Endless Ocean 2? Will you get mad then?

[Dirk Temporo]

Seriously when did Fatal Frame the Fatal Frame series become a massive or even major release?

Suda.

[Stratos]

It was a major title for me, GP. I was always interested in the series before and Suda's involvement made me even more interested in it.

Especially when some of these games are coming to Europe I don't see much of an excuse for NoA to not follow suit. The game is already translated to English and the game doesn't need to be optimized or anything like in the PAL regions as Japan and NA TV's work the same. Most Nintendo games break even sales wise so I fear it is NoA and their ridiculous image concerns.

Doom on them.

[GoldenPhoenix]

It was a major title for me, GP. I was always interested in the series before and Suda's involvement made me even more interested in it.

Especially when some of these games are coming to Europe I don't see much of an excuse for NoA to not follow suit. The game is already translated to English and the game doesn't need to be optimized or anything like in the PAL regions as Japan and NA TV's work the same. Most Nintendo games break even sales wise so I fear it is NoA and their ridiculous image concerns.

Doom on them.

Still to put it in perspective (which was the focal point of that post because I am getting tired of people overlooking all the good things coming out acting like one game is the be all end all now) the game is NOT a huge release even if some of us anticipate it (Seriously, I REALLY REALLY want Captain Rainbow so I know how you and others feel). Does it suck it may not come out here? Sure it does. But to be like, some other unnamed individual, and threaten to sell your Wii because one game may or may not come out here, showing disregard for everything that IS coming out here, is silly. Also we don't know the full story, it comes across as weird to me. I think it is funny how everyone bashes Matt Cass for his rumors yet sucks this up like it is truth.

In regards to Endless Ocean 2 (heaven forbid) not coming out here, I'd be VERY VERY disappointed but I would try to put it in perspective because there is so many other things out there as well to look forward too. I wouldn't get extreme and threaten to blow up my Wii or trade it in for a new graphics card, because it is still only one game. Now if it was like the N64 where we seldom got games here, I may get a bit more extreme but really with the Wii we have several promising titles coming out.

[Stratos]

Am I crazy or was XSeed looking into publishing the game here in NA?

Endless Ocean 2 will come out here. The first was a million seller so it would be crazy to not bring it over.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Am I crazy or was XSeed looking into publishing the game here in NA?

Endless Ocean 2 will come out here. The first was a million seller so it would be crazy to not bring it over.

Not to mention Nintendo saying at one time they weren't the ones publishing it. I don't know, we'll just have to see. I get the feeling someone really dropped the ball in regards to this issue, either Nintendo dropped it because this is true or this Tecmo rep dropped it by providing false information (most likely it would be accidental if that was the case).

[Stratos]

The Tecmo guy probably repeated a standard line when it comes to games they don't own the rights too. "We don't have the rights so we aren't involved in game X being brought to NA".

XSeed wants to release it so they will hopefully be our saviors once again.

[Nick DiMola]

I guarantee that we will see this game at E3. I don't believe for a minute that this one won't come to America. Sure Disaster hasn't come (yet) and may never, but this game and that are on completely different levels.

It seems to me like IGN got the standard PR response from Tecmo. Their hands are clearly tied. I just don't see how IGN takes the word of Tecmo alone and some statement made from Reggie a year ago, put it together and deduce that the game will never come out here.

Until everyone involved comes straight out and says "We will never release this in America" I don't believe this for a minute. You know what, as a matter of fact, if we don't hear anything before E3 I will make it my personal mission to find out what's going on with this game for you guys.

[BeautifulShy]

I guarantee that we will see this game at E3. I don't believe for a minute that this one won't come to America. Sure Disaster hasn't come (yet) and may never, but this game and that are on completely different levels.

It seems to me like IGN got the standard PR response from Tecmo. Their hands are clearly tied. I just don't see how IGN takes the word of Tecmo alone and some statement made from Reggie a year ago, put it together and deduce that the game will never come out here.

Until everyone involved comes straight out and says "We will never release this in America" I don't believe this for a minute. You know what, as a matter of fact, if we don't hear anything before E3 I will make it my personal mission to find out what's going on with this game for you guys.

You are awesome Mr. Jack.I appreciate it.

[broodwars]

It was a major title for me, GP. I was always interested in the series before and Suda's involvement made me even more interested in it.

Especially when some of these games are coming to Europe I don't see much of an excuse for NoA to not follow suit. The game is already translated to English and the game doesn't need to be optimized or anything like in the PAL regions as Japan and NA TV's work the same. Most Nintendo games break even sales wise so I fear it is NoA and their ridiculous image concerns.

Doom on them.

Still to put it in perspective (which was the focal point of that post because I am getting tired of people overlooking all the good things coming out acting like one game is the be all end all now) the game is NOT a huge release even if some of us anticipate it (Seriously, I REALLY REALLY want Captain Rainbow so I know how you and others feel). Does it suck it may not come out here? Sure it does. But to be like, some other unnamed individual, and threaten to sell your Wii because one game may or may not come out here, showing disregard for everything that IS coming out here, is silly. Also we don't know the full story, it comes across as weird to me. I think it is funny how everyone bashes Matt Cass for his rumors yet sucks this up like it is truth.

In regards to Endless Ocean 2 (heaven forbid) not coming out here, I'd be VERY VERY disappointed but I would try to put it in perspective because there is so many other things out there as well to look forward too. I wouldn't get extreme and threaten to blow up my Wii or trade it in for a new graphics card, because it is still only one game. Now if it was like the N64 where we seldom got games here, I may get a bit more extreme but really with the Wii we have several promising titles coming out.

I wasn't threatening to do that over just this one game.  It's more that this is just one more problem Nintendo's added to the growing list of problems I have had with the company over the last year or so.  I don't know how many more "one more things" Nintendo can afford to add to that list.  This was going to be a big game for me, and seeing Nintendo not bring it over when they bring crap like Wii Music and whanot is just infuriating.  I wouldn't mind the stuff Nintendo brought over if they brought over ALL their games, and unlike the example you gave (Captain Rainbow) the Fatal Frame franchise actually has an established fanbase over here.  There is money that could be made without additional resources dedicated to localization (what'll they have to do...do a PAL conversion?).  Nintendo not bringing it over here just makes no sense, unless they somehow think they're in danger of actually being considered a console for gamers again.

As for the list of games you gave earlier, I already bought several of them (Madworld and Overkill, and they weren't that great) and several more on that list simply don't appeal to me.  Of the lot you listed, only really Conduit sounds vaguely interesting.

Whenever you hear me rant about Nintendo, it's never just about the event in question, but that event as part of a growing trend with the company.

[NWR_pap64]

I don't want to be optimistic, but I have the feeling that the game WILL be released in the US somehow and that IGN is just sensationalizing the news because, hey, its cool to make Nintendo look bad. Its create more hits.

Simply because Nintendo won't publish the game it doesn't mean it can't be published at all.

[ShyGuy]

If I buy a European Wii, do I need a PAL TV and 220v power adapter too?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Tenchu is a cool game, and used to have a "4" in the title.

[NWR_insanolord]

If I buy a European Wii, do I need a PAL TV and 220v power adapter too?

You don't need a European Wii, just wait until they find a way to install the Homebrew Channel on the 4.0 firmware and use the Gecko OS.

[TJ Spyke]

The Fatal Frame games have never been big sellers in any region, I wouldn't call it a big release.

pap, I am not sure about that. Tecmo gave the publishing rights to Nintendo for this game, so I would think Nintendo would have to give that up in North America if they choose not to localize it.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

If Nintendo is taken out of the localization process, the Nintendo themed costumes might be removed.

[NWR_pap64]

The Fatal Frame games have never been big sellers in any region, I wouldn't call it a big release.

pap, I am not sure about that. Tecmo gave the publishing rights to Nintendo for this game, so I would think Nintendo would have to give that up in North America if they choose not to localize it.

That's what I find funny about the whole situation. Fatal Frame was never a big series. It was a niche  franchise even on the PS2 and XBOX. I understand that they were popular among fans and the series itself is quite good, but they were never killer apps for any of the systems the series has been in.

I think the reason people are up in arms about it is because the media will try to put the blame on Nintendo of American and add more fuel to the "Nintendo doesn't care about core gamers" argument.

TJ Spyke: The reason I believe that the game will come to the US eventually is because this wouldn't be the first time a Nintendo game was published by another company, even if the game was developed AND published by Nintendo in Japan. Cubivore (aka Animal Leader) was released by Atlus in the US.

Again, I don't want to sound overly optimistic, but there's a chance the game could still hit the US, even if it doesn't have Nintendo's blessing on it.

[TJ Spyke]

Yeah, I know about Cubivore. That was done because Nintendo let Atlus do it. Atlus has asked Nintendo if they could localize other games and had mixed success (Atlus wanted to release Mother 3 here but Nintendo told them no). I just hope that if Nintendo decides not to release the game here that they will let someone else do it.

[Stratos]

I guarantee that we will see this game at E3. I don't believe for a minute that this one won't come to America. Sure Disaster hasn't come (yet) and may never, but this game and that are on completely different levels.

It seems to me like IGN got the standard PR response from Tecmo. Their hands are clearly tied. I just don't see how IGN takes the word of Tecmo alone and some statement made from Reggie a year ago, put it together and deduce that the game will never come out here.

Until everyone involved comes straight out and says "We will never release this in America" I don't believe this for a minute. You know what, as a matter of fact, if we don't hear anything before E3 I will make it my personal mission to find out what's going on with this game for you guys.

You are my forum hero Mr. Jack, sir!

Yeah, I know about Cubivore. That was done because Nintendo let Atlus do it. Atlus has asked Nintendo if they could localize other games and had mixed success (Atlus wanted to release Mother 3 here but Nintendo told them no). I just hope that if Nintendo decides not to release the game here that they will let someone else do it.

That is interesting that they did try to publish Mother 3. I'll bet that was the creators refusing to let their baby go. Letting someone else publish a game like that could lead to the game getting changed too much since Atlus would be overseeing the translation process.

[Luigi Dude]

That is interesting that they did try to publish Mother 3. I'll bet that was the creators refusing to let their baby go. Letting someone else publish a game like that could lead to the game getting changed too much since Atlus would be overseeing the translation process.

When it comes to the Mother series, NCL is very strict about it.  I'd imagine that NOA would probably be happy to have Atlus localize the game so the Mother fans will finally stop clogging their phone lines, but NCL refuses to allow any non Nintendo company to touch it.  Hell, NCL won't even allow NOA to change the music in Mother 2 so that Earthbound can come to the Virtual Console, and NOA is a part of Nintendo.

This is why I also believe Fatal Frame 4 will eventually come to North America.  Since it's not a Nintendo series, if NOA has no desire to release the game, then I don't see why they'd hold on to the publishing rights to keep the game in limbo.  Either Tecmo, Atlus or Xeed will probably release the game sometime in the next year.

The only way this game isn't coming to North America is if NCL for some strange reason doesn't allow NOA to allow another company to publish it, which makes no sense at all.  Unless the head of Tecmo's American branch somehow pissed off Iwata sometime in the last year, I don't see NCL doing this.