Topic: So my Girl wants to watch Star Wars for the first time!

[animecyberrat]

I had nothing against the Ewoks, I even watched the Ewok movies, the only thing I didn't like about Jedi was the conversation Luke had with Leia. It's funny every time I watch Pirates of the Caribbean 2, I always think of Return of the Jedi and it always makes me wish I was watching that instead.

[DAaaMan64]

I loved ROTJ, in fact it is my favorite out of the first 3 films (though they are all great).

Return fo the Jedi is the best in the series for me.

[oohhboy]

I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the Ewoks. It was just that they weren't used effectively. If Lucas was more willing to slaughter more of them to invoke how one sided the conflict was, it would have made a far more effective turnaround. It was so black and white. One moment the Ewoks are being killed, the next the stromtroopers are being hammered. There was no struggle. It just happens.

The space battle on the other hand was excellent, as was the light saber duel on the death star. There was no jedi light-saber kung fu. It was a contest of wills, not strength. No need to be flashy. That was saved for space.

[EasyCure]

i have a confession to make. i dont love star wars

[Nick DiMola]

i have a confession to make. i dont love star wars

Me either, however 4 5 6 are at least tolerable, unlike 1 2 3 which are just god awful.

[UncleBob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBM854BTGL0

[EasyCure]

maybe its still early but i thought there'd be a big uproar. I like the first (original) 3 films but i never got why people get so worked up about them the way they do. Maybe if i grew up and saw them in theatre's i'd feel differently but thats not the case, its just a really good sci-fi flick that i know was ahead of its time, but not THAT special (to me)

[THE Princess]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

[animecyberrat]

 

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

[DAaaMan64]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

There were some pretty epic parts of AotC that I liked.  Phantom isn't too good though.

[animecyberrat]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

There were some pretty epic parts of AotC that I liked.  Phantom isn't too good though.

Except every girl I know who hate Star Wars likes Attack of the clones, thats why I was suggesting it. I prefer Phantom Menace myself...



...but I'm alone in the world

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[DAaaMan64]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

There were some pretty epic parts of AotC that I liked.  Phantom isn't too good though.

Except every girl I know who hate Star Wars likes Attack of the clones, thats why I was suggesting it. I prefer Phantom Menace myself...




...but I'm alone in the world

^hi

Why would they like AotC?

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[EasyCure]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

There were some pretty epic parts of AotC that I liked.  Phantom isn't too good though.

Except every girl I know who hate Star Wars likes Attack of the clones, thats why I was suggesting it. I prefer Phantom Menace myself...


...but I'm alone in the world

^hi

Why would they like AotC?

you broke my scroll wheel!

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[Nick DiMola]

Aw that must mean she really loves you!   



Because Star Wars sucks.

now, you have to give Attack of the Clones an honest chance before you can claim that.

There were some pretty epic parts of AotC that I liked.  Phantom isn't too good though.

Except every girl I know who hate Star Wars likes Attack of the clones, thats why I was suggesting it. I prefer Phantom Menace myself...

...but I'm alone in the world

^hi

Why would they like AotC?

you broke my scroll wheel!

... I only did it because everyone else was.

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[EasyCure]

C-C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

please stop beating that dead horse

[Kairon]

I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the Ewoks. It was just that they weren't used effectively. If Lucas was more willing to slaughter more of them to invoke how one sided the conflict was, it would have made a far more effective turnaround. It was so black and white. One moment the Ewoks are being killed, the next the stromtroopers are being hammered. There was no struggle. It just happens.

Slaughter MORE of them? What about that one scene where an explosion knocks two of them down, and the one who gets back up doesn't realize the other one is dead until he/she/it tries to roll him/she/it over? That scene was very painful to watch as a kid, and even now a little.

And then there's that ewok in the glider who's pitifully trying to drop rocks on AT-STS, is shot down, then stepped on by an AT-ST...

The space battle on the other hand was excellent, as was the light saber duel on the death star. There was no jedi light-saber kung fu. It was a contest of wills, not strength. No need to be flashy. That was saved for space.

Thank you. THANK YOU. God, Lightsaber battles were boring in the prequels. Not enough drama, not enough character, not enough emotive force in the fight. The lightsaber battles in the originals weren't about gee-whiz-fast, they were about ideological conflicts.

[animecyberrat]

AOTC was the love story, thats' the lame excuse they always give me, that and for some reason most girls I know had a thing for the homo who played the lead role.

[Kairon]

Dude, Haydyn Christensen is a competent Actor. Life as a House, Shattered Glass, good work from him. It's just that even if he wanted to, he couldn't do much with the role because Lucas wanted the role played that way.

So remember kids, if you're a whiny angstsy teenager, you'll grow up to be darth emo vader.

You knowm I used to think that I liked AOTC the most out of all the prequels, primarily because of the big war scenes and seeing the clones be like, totally awesome. I dug the military clashes in star wars, and AOTC seemed to deliver the most out of the three prequels... but now...eh. I don't really know. I am going to have to say that Phantom Menace was the best prequel simply because it's story didn't fall as flat as the other two. AOTC and ROTS just.... they just feel less interesting upon re-watching.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I enjoyed ALL the Star Wars movies. The 3rd Prequel was my favorite and I thought Hayden improved 100% for that movie, he was terrible, IMO in AOTC.

[Kairon]

There's this one scene in ROTS where Haydyn Christensen is actually able to show that he can act. He's trapped within the role that Lucas has designated for Anakin throughout the movies, but to me, his breakdown and outburst on tatooine offers a glimpse of the energy that Christensen could've brought to the role, if there had been opportunity to.

[DAaaMan64]

There's this one scene in ROTS where Haydyn Christensen is actually able to show that he can act. He's trapped within the role that Lucas has designated for Anakin throughout the movies, but to me, his breakdown and outburst on tatooine offers a glimpse of the energy that Christensen could've brought to the role, if there had been opportunity to.

I have heard that it is largly Lucas' tyranical directing that affects his actors.

[vudu]

Dude, Haydyn Christensen is a competent Actor. Life as a House, Shattered Glass, good work from him.

Don't forget Jumper!

/end sarcasm

[animecyberrat]

Yuck, I hated all those movies you listed. He did ok in Episode III, but was terrible in AOTC. He just looked, I don't mean to sound bad, but he looked gay. I admit his one scene on Tatooine, right before he slaughtered the Sand People, he had me convinced, but he killed it the next scene he was in with Padme. Maybe it's easier to blame Lucas, but I don't Harrison Ford was an excellent Han Solo and Lucas didn't even want him for the part.

[Kairon]

What? He was great in Shattered Glass! But... yeah. I don't... I have strong suspicions that Lucas' direction in particular made the prequels what they were, for better or worse. I totally get what he was going for, some mythic back story, but I also have to acknowledge that I don't think they come near what was achieved by other directors with the ESB and ROTJ.

[wandering]

Start with the one about the whales.

Serious answer: Start with 4, 5, 6. The prequels would ruin a bunch of stuff about the originals (see: this article.) Of course, you could turn that around, and say the originals would ruin a bunch of stuff about the prequels (imagine watching the prequels without having any idea what Anakin's going to turn into.) But...well...you can't ruin something that already sucks.

Dude, Haydyn Christensen is a competent Actor. Life as a House, Shattered Glass, good work from him. It's just that even if he wanted to, he couldn't do much with the role because Lucas wanted the role played that way.

Yeah, I wish people would stop saying Hayden Christiansen and Jake Lloyd are bad actors. Giving a good performance in a Lucas movie is nearly impossible. Just because extraordinarily talented people like Samuel L Jackson managed it doesn't mean others are bad because they didn't. Think about what the actors had to deal with:

1) Lots of green screen. It's hard to give a good performance when there's not much to play off of.

2) Lucas' horrendous dialogue. You try saying "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough, unlike you." without sounding ridiculous.

3) Lucas' horrible direction. The guy just has no idea how to work with actors. In a behind-the-scenes documentary, I watched Lucas direct Christensen. "No, no," said Lucas. "Say the line more forcefully." And then Lucas gave an awful, over-the-top reading: "'I WILL NOT betray the republic.' Say it like that. I WILL NOT betray the republic." (He repeated the line a couple more times.) Gah. One of the cardinal rules of directing is never to demonstrate how you want an actor to say a line by saying it yourself.

4) Lucas' terrible taste. Let's say you're an actor in a Lucas movie, and, in spite of all the things conspiring to make you give a terrible performance, you manage to play a scene well 9 out of 10 times. Even then, you might be out of luck. Because Lucas doesn't know what good acting looks like, he might decide to put the one take where you gave a bad performance into the film.

So yeah. Don't assume someone is a bad actor just because he/she couldn't give a good performance in a Lucas film.