Topic: Why does Nintendo hate the Game Cube?

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: Chozo Ghost
But it wasn't like the GC had the largest game library of all time...

It does on my shelf. I'd put RE4, SSBM, Pikmin 2, Jungle Beat, Wind Waker and Killer 7 as the top tier. That's one huge tier but I don't like picking favourites.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: insanolordAnd Kairon, you made the same comments about Pikmin 2 in this same topic 10 hours apart.

Whoops.

[Mario]

Great post would read again

[Infernal Monkey]

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Originally posted by: darknight06
Everybody says the dark days started during the N64 era, but I'd actually say it all started during the SNES era.  They never really won it by that much, not to mention that they never really started recovering from that time until recently.  Worst of all, their profits started eroding at this point. Their install base was decreasing which meant less profits than the NES by far.

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They never really won it by that much

Well yes but they were up against a system that'd been out for like two years. Factor in the whole Master System being more popular than the NES in PAL regions and doom doom doom wow it's another NWR thread!

[Ian Sane]

"Everybody says the dark days started during the N64 era, but I'd actually say it all started during the SNES era."

Well they still won and it wasn't dark days for SNES owners.  We had third party support comparible to the PS2.  If a game was announced that wasn't made by Sega you just assumed it would be on the SNES and once in a while you got a surprise exclusive annoucement for the Genesis.  That would be the equivalent of Resident Evil 0 being a Cube exclusive - annoying to PS2 owners but ultimately not that big of a deal.  If Nintendo was having any problems it wasn't affecting us.

The N64 however had the opposite third party situation.  You assumed any game not made by Nintendo or Rare was NOT going to be on the N64.  On the N64 you got like 4 must-play games a year and like nothing else.  Those are the beginning of the dark days.

I will give Nintendo credit though.  While the SNES is my favourite console Nintendo's personal output was the best on the N64.  Damn near every game they released was a potential GOTY.  There just wasn't much else.  The SNES wins on having more classic games due to having amazing third party support to go along with amazing first party support.

[Chozo Ghost]

The SNES was probably my favorite console of all time as well. I'm not sure why it was so great, but the fierce competition with Sega probably had a lot to do with it. I never really got into the N64 as I was bummed out with gaming during those years, but I can see why Super Mario 64 and the Zeldas are consistently topping the top 10 games of all time lists. The N64 may have had less games than the GC did (I'm not sure on that) but the quality of the N64 games, especially 1st party N64 games, is undeniable. The PS1 had the highest market share and clearly  won that generation in terms of profit and so forth, but when it comes to quality of games I think the N64 easily wins. Aside from the FF games, what was there for the PS1 that is still remembered and played these days? The PS1 library was larger, but it seems to have been inflated by shovelware.

But Ian is right - the SNES had the 3rd party support the PS2 had last gen. The NES had nearly a monopoly on marketshare, but for some reason I didn't like the NES as well. The reason for that is partly from the limitations of the hardware, and probably also from the lack of any meaningful competition. A console without any competition is going to get overloaded with shovelware. But on the other hand, a console with too much competition will end up like the GC with a very small library of games. I think the SNES struck the perfect balance, and I've not yet seen a console which comes close. The N64 was even better with quality of games, but they had too much competition and that hurt the quantity of games. 5-10 AAA games is great, but you need a library of hundreds in order to get marketshare. But yeah, those N64 classics will always be remembered and acclaimed, whereas the PS1 library has already been mostly forgotten.

[vherub]

Nintendo doesn't hate the cube, but it was a bit of a loser.
In addition to generating confusion, there is little desire to tarnish the wii brand.
Perhaps the true reason is to establish better 3rd party relations. Cheaper reissues of gc games don't take sales away from 1st party mario and zeldas, they take sales from third party kororinpas and no more heroes.

[Kairon]

Poor poor PS1 library...

*holds a torch for Parappa, Jumping Flash, Tail of the Sun, and Robo Pit*

[darknight06]

N64 was a better console than the GC but that's not even saying all that much.  At least the west somewhat cared for it.  Either way they both blew, I remember giving up of them both of them around 2 1/2 years in.  N64 got too western oriented for my liking and the GC had next to nothing because even then most of Nintendo's titles on there I didn't have the first care for and third parties pretended like it didn't exist or threw the worst forms of everything they had on there.  SNES was OK, but that drought they had during that one period of time.  They recovered, but for me things were never quite the same.  The game security on a platform was gone now.  Screwjobs on both sides became rampant.  

[Mario]

Dark days lol

[ShyGuy]

This thread was proven wrong when it was thoroughly discussed in the latest podcast. Mods, please lock.

[IceCold]

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Originally posted by: darknight06
N64 was a better console than the GC but that's not even saying all that much.  At least the west somewhat cared for it.  Either way they both blew, I remember giving up of them both of them around 2 1/2 years in.  N64 got too western oriented for my liking and the GC had next to nothing because even then most of Nintendo's titles on there I didn't have the first care for and third parties pretended like it didn't exist or threw the worst forms of everything they had on there.  SNES was OK, but that drought they had during that one period of time.  They recovered, but for me things were never quite the same.  The game security on a platform was gone now.  Screwjobs on both sides became rampant.

Are you not a Nintendo fan?

[Athrun Zala]

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Originally posted by: darknight06
Most DS games are in the range of 8 to 16MB at the most which is the majority of N64 cartridge sizes.

actually, most DS games are in the 32-64MB range, with quite a few being 128MB in size... and at least one being 256MB (ASH)

[darknight06]

It's not that many 128 games out there, and a majority of the 32 to 64MB games don't even use all of it, some barely use half.

[Louieturkey]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Anywhoo, people keep throwing out the XBox as an example of Backwards Compatibility, why not look at the PS2?  Granted, good, new PS2 titles are few and far between, but we're still seeing quite a few Greatest Hits titles re-released (and re-re-released).  Look at the things like the GTA Trilogy, Hitman Trilogy, etc.  I can still go to the local stores and find 1st party PS2 controllers and memory cards.  All this and the PS3 is barely backwards compatible.

Well, to get this back on topic and off the "What's your favorite Nintendo console?" subthread, I wanna say that the PS2 is not a good example to compare it to the Wii and GC bc.  The PS2 is still selling more consoles than the PS3 at this point and so naturally there is still a growing market for the system.  So companies are still making games for it.  The same thing happened with the PS1 where it was still being sold three years into the life of the PS2 and is the reason software was being made for it.  And in the same line, GBA games were still being made after the DS came out because (especially in the US) GBA systems were still being sold, so companies were making games for it.  

I see it being as long as the original hardware is still being sold, games will be made for the system or repackaged for the system because there is a still growing market for games for the system.  When the hardware stops selling, the games usually stop selling (or at least stop selling enough to make a profit).

Nintendo hides GC compatibility because it would over complicate the Wii and the Wii is built completely around ease of use and still fun to play.  Advertising this feature would confuse the majority of Wii owners (namely mothers and grandparents).

[Maverick]

I keep hearing the "it's confusing" thing.  Are all of your mothers and grandparents really that challenged?  How is "You can also play games released for the Nintendo GameCube on the Wii!" confusing?

[UncleBob]

I have to say I think it's more complicated for the Wii to have these weird ports and slots for strange accessories I can't find in stores...

[Chozo Ghost]

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I have to say I think it's more complicated for the Wii to have these weird ports and slots for strange accessories I can't find in stores...

If older generations are so easily confused that they can't understand the backwards compatibility, maybe they're also too confused to notice the panel that opens up for those features.

[darknight06]

Nintendo hides the GC because the last thing it wants to associate the Wii with is a loser.

[EasyCure]

So basically the GC is the retarded cousin in the Nintendo family. They don't talk about him much but he's still invited to the family reunions.

the virtual boy is the one they disowned for coming out of the closet; they act as if it never existed and that is just wrong, because the VB is FABULOUS!

end of thread.




ps. each of the 3 gamestops in my area has at least 4 NEW platinum GC controllers available, at regular price. sadly no wave birds (i knew i should of bought one...). im thinking about picking at least one up just in case for brawl. I have 3 1st party GC pads, 2 of which are retired (sticks are worn out and the a/b buttons are stuck or unresponsive) and 1 of those MegMan Anniversary controllers.

[Ian Sane]

"I keep hearing the 'it's confusing' thing. Are all of your mothers and grandparents really that challenged? How is 'You can also play games released for the Nintendo GameCube on the Wii!' confusing?"

Well I never felt that "pushing left makes your character go left" was confusing and yet my Dad sure as hell never figured it out but he got Wii Bowling instantly.  I never understood how some of the kids in my class were confused by the most basic arithmetic but they were.  Apparently the most important lesson in life is to never underestimate how stupid people can be.

[Chozo Ghost]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I keep hearing the 'it's confusing' thing. Are all of your mothers and grandparents really that challenged? How is 'You can also play games released for the Nintendo GameCube on the Wii!' confusing?"



Well I never felt that "pushing left makes your character go left" was confusing and yet my Dad sure as hell never figured it out but he got Wii Bowling instantly.  I never understood how some of the kids in my class were confused by the most basic arithmetic but they were.  Apparently the most important lesson in life is to never underestimate how stupid people can be.

I'm not sure it is a question of stupidity; there are plenty of very intelligent people who lack all common sense. Not having grown up with video games makes you less able to learn how to play them, but of course the great thing with the Wii controls is they work so much like real life bowling or tennis that it is a no-brainer how to play. But I can kinda see how GC controllers and other standard controllers can be a bit confusing, and even though I have played them all my life sometimes in the heat of action I'll forget which button combinations I need to be pressing.

[Crimm]

I GOTS A WAVEBIRD!

I did the first thing somebody should do with used hardware: alcohol wipes x4

[NWR_insanolord]

Tell me where you found one or I'll tackle you until you do!

[Crimm]

It was on the rack in GameStop.  I got it with store credit.