Topic: Is Nintendo Creating Lapsed Wii Gamers?

[Jonnyboy117]

This turned into a pretty interesting thread.  I admit, I did not think very hard about this topic before starting the thread, so it really was an open question.  As I was hitting the "Post" button, I thought about the other side of the coin, which some people already brought up, that Blue Ocean Wii owners might also be lapsed because they have only bought Wii Sports and Wii Play and are getting tired of them.  I should poll some of my friends back home who bought their systems a few months ago, to see if they are still playing.  There have been some decent to good casual games since then (Wario, Mario Party, Big Brain Academy), but I'm not sure how aware many of the new gamers are of these releases, because they haven't been marketed the same way that the system itself (and therefore Wii Sports) has been.

I agree with people who say that the mini-droughts of great first-party titles should have been filled by great third-party games, which have not really arrived yet.  I hope that will start to change very soon.

[Mario]

Mercury Meltdown Revolution is a great third party game I recommend for anyone actually looking for one.

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I hope the old group leaves soon because their whining and never satisfied demeanor gives me a headache.

They will always be here, whining about anything is the absolutely easiest thing a person can do, and on forums they get their reward (attention) almost instantly. Not responding to them is the best way to deal with any threat of a headache.

Now i'm gonna play Sin and Punishment.  

[Kairon]

I probably should give Mercury Meltdown a second chance... ARGH. But i HATED playing the PSP version!!! DILEMMA!!!

[TerribleOne]

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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude

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Originally posted by: BigJim

I haven't seen anybody in this thread arguing about Nintendo's consistency. "Enough" gamer games is subjective, however. And I debate what that means because I believe they have not (in those 10 years) demonstrated that they have the manpower to fully pick up the slack in the face of weak 3rd party support. Therefore, the overall supply of gamer games has not been "enough". Nintendo is not big enough to do it alone. Third parties matter immensely, but they simply have not shown up.

But the point is with the Wii it's not Nintendo's fault for the loosely third party support.  Nintendo has done a lot to try and get third parties back but if the third parties are too stupid then there's not much Nintendo can do.  Plus since the Wii is the dominate system, Nintendo shouldn't to jump through hoops just to get third parties back anymore.  In the past third parties always went to whoever was market leader, until now where they refuse to even though the Wii is the dominate system.

Until third parties finally wake up then all Nintendo can do is release their own software, but unlike the N64 and Gamecube, it's not entirely Nintendo's fault for it's system not having enough games.  The blame this time lies mostly on the third parties which makes it the third parties creating lapsed gamers, not Nintendo.

I agree to some degree, but this is Nintendo's system and thus their project. They have no choice but to support it so that THEIR investment does not die. Third parties do whatever the hell they want, they dont have to follow any of our requirements, thats why they continue to support the PS3. Yes their sales are bad but they want to see their creation on THAT system.

and to those criticizing the 'whiners'.. shame on u.. lol @ u all of the sudden caring that peter's grandfather played the wii for 3 minutes. lol @ the change of heart towards the main consumers of a system, when it was the ps2 they were dumb drones, now they're the intelligent buyers... these 'whiners' were the 1 who stuck thru da thick and think when the purple lunchbox was one of the worst consoles ever....
....bring it

[BigJim]

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But the point is with the Wii it's not Nintendo's fault for the loosely third party support. Nintendo has done a lot to try and get third parties back but if the third parties are too stupid then there's not much Nintendo can do.

I agree to some extent. It's not entirely an act of developers having to come to Nintendo. But 3rd parties definitely dropped the ball, and clearly demonstrated a lack of vision (as many did). Nintendo could have done more for their part, including but not limited to releasing final dev kits earlier than 3 months before launch, and getting their online connectivity stuff together a lot sooner. I'm not sure anybody's hands are completely clean with the bumpy start.

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The blame this time lies mostly on the third parties which makes it the third parties creating lapsed gamers, not Nintendo.

Also an interesting point... But it's still Nintendo's problem, whether they are the cause of it or not. The onus is on them to solve it one way or another.

[Stogi]

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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
This turned into a pretty interesting thread.  I admit, I did not think very hard about this topic before starting the thread, so it really was an open question.  As I was hitting the "Post" button, I thought about the other side of the coin, which some people already brought up, that Blue Ocean Wii owners might also be lapsed because they have only bought Wii Sports and Wii Play and are getting tired of them.

Honestly, Johnny my boy, you could have made this into a hot topic.

[wulffman04]

It's a very interesting dilemma,

Hardcore gamers are not satisfied, and for what reason? As "Luigi Dude" pointed out, there are many more hardcore games out during the first year of the Wii than Gamecube or N64. That brings up the point that many of these game aren't as hardcore as previous entries in the series. e.g. Metriod Prime 3, the ads aimed toward new/casual gamers and the "hard" mode that you have to unlock are quiet concerning.

Also Nintendo fans want the Wii to succeed and are finding that it is (doing so well) because of the casual gamers. We would like to see more casuals step up to the plate and therefore have more casual games.

Nintendo needs to find a good balance where there are enough simple casual games and enough hardcore games, that aren't held back by publishers wanting to make them more accessible. Looking at some Super Mario Galaxy impressions, it really scares into thinking that it might be too simple(easy) for the more "hardcore" market

[Mashiro]

Not to get off track but . . .

Am I the only one who sees that avatar isn't the right size?

Oh and lapsed games and stuff yeah!

*continue discussion*

[Stogi]

No one likes a tattle tale.

[Deguello]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"most panned Mario Party 8, and yet somehow is doing smashing, as in twice as well as Mario Party 7, like the consumers are satisfied or something"

What difference does that make?  That doesn't make Mario Party 8 a better game than Mario Party 7 or better than any other game.  No one here would have DARED suggest that sales mattered when Nintendo was getting royally creamed by Sony.  Back then we were all trying to come up with logical excuses as to why Madden always crushed everything in sales while Nintendo's latest awesome game was getting completely ignored.

So your argument is that people on this board shouldn't care about sales because sales were bad during the Cube era?  Look the reason sales matter in THIS CONTEXT (happy customers) is that obviously the market disagrees with the reviewers and are quite to very satisfied with the product.  and what all of a sudden the Cube had awesome games?  Are we forgetting what YOU said about the Cube during its time of release?  Are you whitewashing that part of your whining history too?

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"It is simple 'certain' hardcore gamers, some in positions of power, that are dictating this schism as if it was real because they ideologically clash with the results"

There must be something since every time "what do we all think of the Wii" comes up on this forum there is always debate and arguments.  At the very least I'd say there's a split among Nintendo fans.  They split into two groups: those who like (or tolerate I guess) the direction Nintendo has gone in and those that don't.

There are two groups, but it is not "split" by any stretch.  That implies equality in number, which there definitely isn't.  There is a non-responder bias on message board complaints threads like this, as usually the content people don't need to jump into forums everyday to remind people of how happy they are.  They usually just be happy and content with a product in the real world.  Imagine this scenario, the hundreds of thousands of scientists that want to do something about global warming (because it is real) all get into an eco-friendly mag-lev train and the dozens or so of pundits and losers who disagree with the facts (genuinely or otherwise) pile into a custom conversion van with the worst emissions in history.  furthermore, they haven't bathed in weeks.  The mag-lev train is speeding along, and on the train they are discussing matters of import pertaining to global warming, while the van putters along and pollutes.  Just because the people in the van fart the loudest and smell the worst, does not make them an equal group to the scientists because only few or so scientists that deign to argue with them about a reality while the rest are happy to continue their work to stop a global threat.

Oh yeah, I guess you could claim that the DS is the worst Nintendo handheld ever (which you have), and then say the forum is split there too.  Split into groups of "Ian Sane" and "People who think Ian Sane is completely batshit bonkers."

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There's no definition of "hardcore" because marketing executives have bullsh!ted the word.  Microsoft used "hardcore gamer" as part of the Xbox marketing even though the Xbox was probably the most casual focused of the three consoles.  So terms get blurred and end up meaning nothing.  Everyone also categorizes games to fit their opinion.  You in favour of what Nintendo's doing?  Then you're going to try to make as big of a list of "gamer games" you can or you're going to retroactively declare old classic games as non-games to defend non-gaming's worth.  Don't like what Nintendo's doing?  Then the amount of non-games around is going to be bigger and no game you've ever liked in your life will be a non-game or have anything in common with one.

The topic is about lapsed gamers.  Well since there is a split in opinion between Nintendo fans at the very least I can see a group of Nintendo's old fanbase leaving because they don't like what Nintendo's doing.

Once again, two groups does not mean two EQUAL groups.  But the reason there is no uniform definition of hardcore is because there isn't one.  It changes from person to person and this was true before this whole crap about definition wars between gamers and non-gamers.  RPG nuts do not think FPSs are hardcore.  People like yourself do not think sports games are hardcore.  And yet we hear the opposite from other people.  It's just the truth.  And now we have protective, defensive flap over how hardcore something is or is not like there are set dimensions where then aren't any.

And the thread doesn't seem to be about "lapsed Wii gamers" but more like "The Wii doesn't have enough <hardcore> games out."  Which is a much more common, mundane, tired, old, and groan-inducing statement, but it sounds nice when you gussy it up with Nintendo marketing speak.

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So... you're saying there aren't lapsed gamers... because sales are good? Is this what you're saying? Because while I don't trust Nintendo's PR machine all the time, I'm fairly confident that Nintendo's not making up customers when they say (repeatedly) that they want to attract lapsed gamers.

But apparently there exists this amorphous,  phantom-like group of Wii-lapsed gamers made up entirely of the 300 or so people who constantly complain about the Wii on the Entire internet, and their leaving the Nintendo fanfold is a major ripple in the market that is to be felt for generations to come.

There're probably more "Lapsed DS Gamers" than "Lapsed Wii Gamers."  Don't hear too much from the first group though.

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Not really. You can substitute "hardcore gamer" with whatever contextually accurate phrase that makes you happy. The point will still be the same. Whoever "they" are, they want less gaps between the games they want to play.

Really?!  I can substitute "hardcore gamers" with... say "non-gamers?"  Well the non-gamers are pretty happy, I'd imagine.  How about "Smash Bros. fans?"  They're happy too (they don't have too many "gaps" to fill, basically because they only like Smash Bros.)  And what point is this again?  That there are Wii-lapsed gamers that can't be defined by any scientific metric but can be "felt" because people whine in the internet?  Forgive me if I remain skeptical and continue to play Kirby on my DS.

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and to those criticizing the 'whiners'.. shame on u.. lol @ u all of the sudden caring that peter's grandfather played the wii for 3 minutes. lol @ the change of heart towards the main consumers of a system, when it was the ps2 they were dumb drones, now they're the intelligent buyers... these 'whiners' were the 1 who stuck thru da thick and think when the purple lunchbox was one of the worst consoles ever....
....bring it

Have you slung a cog?

[KDR_11k]

I'd say regular gamer is a better term for people who are used to games, they just have experience with the way games are designed and often know the general idiosyncrasies (e.g. "there are three amulets, guess I have to run through three dungeons for them" or "the left analog stick is the primary directional input"). A casual gamer is someone who may have touched a game but doesn't really understand games very well. the games he played probably involved the mouse or a joystick and at most two buttons. There's your definition.

I'm still not certain what this whole claim of lapsed Wii gamers is supposed to mean. People who got sick of their Wii? People who just haven't done anything on it recently? People who don't like how the Wii has developed recently and abandoned it because of that? Lapsed just doesn't sound like it just means "it's gathering dust because there are no new games I want".

[BigJim]

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But apparently there exists this amorphous, phantom-like group of Wii-lapsed gamers made up entirely of the 300 or so people who constantly complain about the Wii on the Entire internet, and their leaving the Nintendo fanfold is a major ripple in the market that is to be felt for generations to come.

Ironically, I see this kind of exaggerated, dismissive righteousness as a means to discard others' opinions more often than I see what you actually describe. This has been an intelligent thread. Let's not muck it up.

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And what point is this again? That there are Wii-lapsed gamers that can't be defined by any scientific metric but can be "felt" because people whine in the internet?

Lapsed gamers are not yet customers. That's why they're lapsed gamers. You can't claim there are no lapsed gamers just by virtue of the success that Wii's experienced thus far by the early adopters. To also synonymize these lapsed gamers with "whiners" you all to easily exaggerate and dismiss is also a pretty ridiculous retort.

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Really?! I can substitute "hardcore gamers" with... say "non-gamers?" Well the non-gamers are pretty happy, I'd imagine.

You either missed the part where I said "contextually accurate," or just want to be smart. If there's nothing else to contribute, let it go.                

[couchmonkey]

I'll take one second for the obligatory Wii Defense Force post: the lineup is comparable or better than 360 last year, and it blows PS3 out of the water.  This is not really an unusual first year for any console, and like others have said, it's really the third parties that aren't stepping up.  Nintendo is giving us four hardcore games in the next three months.

Now on to the real question: Yes, Wii and DS are creating lapsed gamers.  Ian is a prime example: he's not 100% lapsed yet, but he's practically there.  Who will be a lapsed gamer?

1. People who can't stand motion controls.  They're going to be lapsed within a generation because nobody will make a home console without them anymore.

2. People who pine for maximum graphical power and hours of cinemas.  Nintendo is pointing the way here: you can make a whole lot more profit when you don't waste tons of money on the trimmings.

3. People who want long, hard, complicated, one-player games.

None of these are to say that we'll never again see a long, hard, single-player games with awesome graphics and almost no motion controls: but these types of games will take a back seat to simpler stuff that focuses on social gaming, and I believe future lapsed gamers will reject video games as a whole because they perceive the new gaming as either a personal insult to them (how can they do this to me, their loyal customer?) or as an insult to the passtime (kids these days don't know what a real video game is!)

[oohhboy]

Am I a lapsed gamer if the only thing I can afford for the last year is the odd DS game?

I have no idea what everybody here is on about. The number of games that cater to the gamer crowd from Nintendo has not decreased. At the rate they are releasing games, they would have to make up new IPs unless they start making sequels well, before the expected end of this generation.

Seriously guys, I wish I could afford any of the action you guys are bitching on about right now. Here I am still stuck playing Goldeneye 64.

[Nick DiMola]

This thread has turned into a pissing war quite quick.

I think it would make more sense to open this up to "Lapsed Nintendo Gamers." Clearly there exists a group of fans who are no longer happy with the direction that Nintendo has gone with the Wii. But really, who cares? It doesn't really mean much. Every generation you will lose some people and gain others. Nintendo doesn't care about the lapsed gamers because they can just target a new market and continue on their merry way. Nintendo lost a ton of gamers when it moved into 3D.

If you don't like Nintendo anymore, don't support them. Real simple. Please though, don't whine about it on this board every opportunity you get. If you haven't liked Nintendo's direction since the N64 I think it's safe to say that it's time to move on, Nintendo does not make the games that appeal to you anymore, try your luck on a different console. All the rest of us have bent with Nintendo to see what else is out there, if you don't want to bend anymore, leave, simple as that.

[BigJim]

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The number of games that cater to the gamer crowd from Nintendo has not decreased.

This seems to be the common disconnect when the topic comes up. They're not really saying the number is less. They're only saying they want more, to end the droughts.

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Seriously guys, I wish I could afford any of the action you guys are bitching on about right now.

I can definitely sympathize and empathize with that. Been there many times. LOL.  

[couchmonkey]

I'm personally shocked at how fast many gamers blast through stuff.  Metroid Prime 3 was done for everyone after a couple of weeks and they were all looking for the next big thing...no wonder they aren't satisfied.  I just don't have that kind of time for gaming any more, so Nintendo's new direction actually fits nicely with my lifestyle.

[Plugabugz]

Perrin Kaplan said it best how gamers are freaky in how they're done too quickly with one game and then jump onto the next. Not the wording i would have used, maybe insatiable?

Personally im disappointed in terms of releases - especially in the first half of this year, Excite Truck to Mario Strikers is too large a gap - But europe isn't exactly a good example given how much KDR and i dislike our continual shafting.

[Ian Sane]

"As anyone can see Nintendo has supplied more traditional games during the Wii's first year then they did with the N64 and Gamecube. This destroys the whole argument about them not able to give enough traditional games because even with them making games like Wii Sports and Wii Fit they're still able to supply just as many traditional gamer games as they've done for the last 10 year and in the Wii's case, MORE games."

But aside from Endless Ocean and the non-games ALL of those games are franchise games.  There's no Pikmin or Eternal Darkness or Blast Corps.  Nintendo thinks that the old group wants nothing but sequels and that's f*cking lame.  The creative energies are towards stuff like WiiSports and WiiFit and Brain Age.  That's where the passion is.  I love Metroid and Zelda and Mario but I want more than that and frankly I'm getting a little bored of even Zelda.  Phantom Hourglass just came out and I haven't bought it yet.  I didn't even think of it until the day it came out because I played a new Zelda JUST LAST YEAR.  The formula is starting to wear thin.  Yet Nintendo just keeps pumping out the franchises.  The whole reason I became a Nintendo fan is because they DIDN'T do that.  They were always keeping things fresh.  New IPs and the sequels they did make were often big major essential sequels that really pushed the envelope and often were released years apart.  Now it's like every year SOMETHING is released with Link or Samus in it and Mario is in SIX of the Wii's first year of games while on the N64, where he seemingly was everywhere, it was only TWO and one of those is one of the most innovative games ever made.  Now I don't expect Nintendo's franchises to maintain the level of creativity that they had ten years ago.  Eventually the well will run dry.  So if the next Zelda is a little derivative that's acceptable.  But why is there so much Zelda product when the formula is running thin?  Back when Zelda was still fresh we waited FIVE YEARS for a sequel.  Now the formula is played and we get some Zelda product virtually every year.  Shouldn't Nintendo be making something, I don't know, NEW to keep things interesting?

They are but it's WiiFit.  That's what they're all excited about.  The "gamer games" are milked franchises that are wearing thin.  Now this has been a problem since "Where are you?"  It's probably not even related to the non-gamer stuff, it's just a chronic problem made more irritating by most of the new ideas being used in non-games.  I think it shows where Nintendo's priorities lie and what really interests them.  Who cares if there are technically more gamer games than before if it's all Capcom-style sequelmania?  It doesn't feel like we're getting more because so much of it is so stale.  It feels like scraps because it's generic while the non-gamer stuff is fresh and innovative.  That makes it feel like we're getting neglected because tons of franchise games feels like a token offering.  It comes across as Nintendo going through the motions on something they aren't interested in.

Maybe I just have a lower tolerance of rehashing and it will just take longer for others to question why they're playing yet another Kirby game that really doesn't do anything Kirby Superstar did better years ago and why Nintendo is offering very little else.

[Stogi]

Good points all around, but I think your digging a little to deep into things. First off, you can't possibly say that while Metriod and Zelda are sequels, that they weren't worth paying $50 for. Secondly, you haven't even touched Mario and yet you seem to know that it's generic, even though every gaming publication is raging about it. Thirdly, about your "every 5 years comment" you forgot about one franchise that is sticking true to that........Super Smash Bros.

I'll I'm trying to say is, while you have a point, you would be bitching even more if Nintendo didn't release these games or at least have them on the back-burner. Now by years end, they will satisfy what I see as the "must-haves" for the Wii. I'm not talking about "must-haves" in the sense that I must have them; no, I'm talking about Nintendo and how they know they must have these games on their console just to appeal to their fanbase.

You see, not even Nintendo knew the Wii was going to blow up like it did and so, to at least have their fans buy the system, they needed to entice them with something that they knew was good and were familiar with. Games like Mario take a long time to make; do you really think that a few years ago, when Nintendo first started production on Wii games that they wanted to risk everything and make brand new IP's? No, of course. There going to make the Big 3 and make them good. Then at least if things go wrong they can at least have something people want to play regardless of how well received the system might have been.

Now that the Wii is a success and they have these games made, I assure you Nintendo will be more willing to fulfill our fanboy needs. You might be thinking, "how? with WiiFit?" and your right; Nintendo isn't making that game for you. They're making it ONLY because the Wii was such a break-out success and ONLY because WiiSports is the best non-gamer game, and the game to really change how games are perceived now-a-days.

At E3, they showed MarioKart and they showed the WiiZapper: a gamer's game, and a gamer's product. They probably thought that it was enough to keep the rowdy fans at bay since fans wouldn't want a balancing board or WiiFit (though I do), but apparently not.

I think this whole "Lapsed Gamer" idea is a little premature. And you guys can blame third-parties all you want, but it's not their fault. They were caught off guard even more so than Nintendo. I think this idea of Nintendo not making the games you want is ridiculous, at least right now. People need to calm down and wait till GDC, then bitch if they don't have any new IP's or drastically different sequels.

[Maverick]

I definitely agree with Ian on the "Zelda at least once a year" point.  It's my favorite series by far, and I buy every major release, but I didn't realize Phantom Hourglass was out until I walked into Best Buy and saw it there.  Now, I should have been waiting months and months anticipating that every day like I used to, but recently I've been overloaded with Zelda I guess.  I long for the days of waiting several years between major releases, instead of how it is now, where I patiently await the release of the "real" Zelda games (keep in mind this goes for Mario, Metroid, and Starfox as well) while wading through all the crap ones they shoveled out at me.  

[Ian Sane]

"First off, you can't possibly say that while Metriod and Zelda are sequels, that they weren't worth paying $50 for."

No doubt.  Those are great games.  And Super Mario Galaxy is going to be great too and SSB is DEAD ON with how Nintendo used to do sequels.  I'm more uninterested in all the spinoffs and find myself less interested in the main series due to overexposure.  Plus I just miss getting exciting new stuff like Pikmin was on the Cube.

"You see, not even Nintendo knew the Wii was going to blow up like it did and so, to at least have their fans buy the system, they needed to entice them with something that they knew was good and were familiar with. Games like Mario take a long time to make; do you really think that a few years ago, when Nintendo first started production on Wii games that they wanted to risk everything and make brand new IP's? No, of course. There going to make the Big 3 and make them good. Then at least if things go wrong they can at least have something people want to play regardless of how well received the system might have been."

This makes sense but the problem is I don't trust Nintendo to suddenly crank out the new IP because the expected sequels are done.  Why?  Because this sequel-mania has been going on for a few years now.  You mention what's coming up and it's Mario Kart, a sequel, and the Zapper which launches with a Zelda spinoff.  I personally am just sick of all the spinoff crap but it seems that between the "real" sequels that's what fills up the gaps.  Between Mario and Zelda I want to play something different, not those same characters shoehorned into whatever lazy game concept they can think of.  Hell sequels even become spin-offs.  Initially Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi were sequels to Super Mario RPG.  It was creative and exciting that each Mario RPG was totally different.  Now both those sequels are their own series.  Initially it seemed like Mario had a sports series with Mario Golf and Tennis being part of that series.  Now those are also their own series.  Ditto with Mario Strikers.  All that Mario product alone just starts blending together and it all seems so forced and unnecessary.

I'm a huge Zelda fan and yet I don't care that that Tingle game isn't being released here and I don't plan on buying Link's Crossbow Training.  I used to buy EVERY Zelda game.  Now because I've grown tired of the same franchises again and again I'm skipping Zelda games and not caring.  The annoying thing is that Iwata called this sort of sequelitis sh!t out with his blue ocean speech and yet Nintendo is doing NOTHING to address this problem.  Their idea of addressing it is new ideas for non-gamers while the old fans still get the big blob of unoriginality that Nintendo claimed was killing videogames in the first place.  In other words the new market is all that really matters.  The solution was not to get the old market interested in gaming again but rather to replace it with someone else.

[Plugabugz]

Existing gameplay styles won't attract new people. though Ian. It's likely nintendo will continue to focus more on the non-gamer angle until the level of growth in this market slows considerably. Strictly speaking from a business perspective (diversifying into new markets and market growth) it's the right thing to do.

[BigJim]

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I think this idea of Nintendo not making the games you want is ridiculous, at least right now. People need to calm down and wait till GDC, then bitch if they don't have any new IP's or drastically different sequels.

::raises hand:: I agree with much of your post but I have to interject on just this one comment. After E3, there were folks in the "Disappointed in E3" thread discussing the weak showcase of gamer titles. Others basically told them, "Let's compromise and wait until TGS before criticizing Nintendo's lineup."

We did wait (or at least I did).  Nothing much came of TGS. So discussing the lineup is fair game, IMO.

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Mashiro: here's an idea, let's see what happens when TGS passes. THEN let's pass some judgement about Nintendo not showing us or delivering on their promise shall we?

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Kairon: If there's any better solution to this than a compromise of patience, an extension of the "where's-the-proof" deadline until the TGS in September, then I'd like to hear it. But that's the only sensible and rational answer I can come up with, hoping that patience really is the virtue everyone proclaims it to be.

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Pittboi: Yep, and WE ALL know what'll come next if Nintendo still doesn't show anything at TGS. "Wait until next year's GDC! GAWD! YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU JUST WANT EVERYTHING NOW! GEEZ TROLL!"

       

[NWR_insanolord]

You people are acting as if creating a new IP is as simple as saying "Hey, why don't we create a new IP". And you also seem to be forgetting Disaster: Day of Crisis, which, last time I checked, isn't a sequel to anything. And Project H.A.M.M.E.R., while canceled, was an attempt at a new IP. And finally, not showing anything isn't the same as not having anything in the works.