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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2007, 05:59:28 PM »
Alright, thanks for putting this as post #100. Sorry for screwing with you there, TVMan.

I would like to point out that this thread has hit 100 posts before any others in this section (the megathread doesn't count).

What do the nay-sayers have to say about that besides "Nay"?  
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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2007, 06:11:16 PM »
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Well, someone shoulder's do look broader if they have been working out.


It still usually comes down to there body structure.

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Alright, bear with me here. I did some "maths" (the formulas of which are probably broken) to come to my conclusion. I took Samus' weight (200) divided by her height (did some bad fraction-rounding, decided on 6.2) and got ~32 as an answer. I did the same with your estimations of the gymnast (140/5=~28), so I figured Samus must have more muscle mass.

Feel free to shoot my poor reasoning down. I'll be the first to admit it won't hold water.


I think your "maths" are correct, although the divergence is not really that big in my opinion, but then again Samus could have a heavier skeleton , or, since she would be taller, she would have more surface area for muscle to be, thus, even with the same rough build, she would still have more muscle mass, but that could be wrong.

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Actually, my response was also a joke, but the smilie didn't come through. Metroid is pretty far from hard sci-fi.


oh, the smilie came through, I just ignored it.

I just like to argue.
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« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2007, 06:17:35 PM »
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It still usually comes down to there body structure.


Yes, but I can see a clear difference between someone who hasn't been working out and the same person when they have.

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I think your "maths" are correct, although the divergence is not really that big in my opinion, but then again Samus could have a heavier skeleton , or, since she would be taller, she would have more surface area for muscle to be, thus, even with the same rough build, she would still have more muscle mass, but that could be wrong.


It's no algorithm, but I still think it might be enough evidence to support her being more muscular then depicted. Your suggestions are reasonable, though.

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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2007, 06:28:22 PM »
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Alright, thanks for putting this as post #100. Sorry for screwing with you there, TVMan.


It's cool. I was having fun.

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What do the nay-sayers have to say about that besides "Nay"?


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This thread should be locked for being stupid.


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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2007, 06:32:20 PM »
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This thread honestly makes me want to die. Could you people possibly find anything more inane to complain about "Oh noes, I don't like the way they're portraying a character who never had a uniform appearance to begin with."

Cry moar.


haha I finally find out the use of this new forum thanks to you, if this discussion was in the megathread, I would personally had cut it off the same way you are doing, but now this is its own thread, so if you don't like it just don't click on it!

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Oh Samus, your little outfits are the cause of many a whining!

Will it ever end?

This thread proves that there is a clash between the fans' view on Samus and the creators' view on Samus.


The funny thing is that it's obvious this new direction Nintendo made for Samus was mostly done to atract the japanese audience. I don't know if it was succesful or not, but the game will always sell and be more popular in this part of the ocean, so why try? all they are doing is ruining it for the rest of us. I hope nintendo just stop trying this remake of metroid's whole image, let it be what it is, neither anime looking nor halo-ish or generic fps.


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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2007, 07:11:03 PM »
Just in case anyone would like to see Samus' zero suit appearance in the Zelda II of Metroids, MPH, here is an extremely spoiler filled and somewhat fuzzy video.

That is how ZSS should look within the context of a "realistic" (read: western style) Metroid game (I am looking at you MP2).

Do not think though that I find the more "anime" style ZSS any less deserving of being part of the Metroid series, I like them both.

EDIT: Some things I forgot to mention; I was trying to get this clip off of my copy of the game but my camera would not cooperate, thus I looked for it on youtube, also, I really like MPH, but every Metroid fan I have talked to hates it, thus the comparison with Zelda II (which is tied for my second favorite Zelda game), because MPH also shares it's fate as the redheaded stepchild of it's series.  
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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2007, 07:16:29 PM »
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Just in case anyone would like to see Samus' zero suit appearance in the Zelda II of Metroids, MPH, here is an extremely spoiler filled and somewhat fuzzy video.


Hey, that's actually a quarter of the ways decent... still not great, but nothing exceptionally horrible.
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RE: Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2007, 07:41:11 PM »
I sadly thing the horrible ZeroSuit Samus is here to stay, unless the next team that works on metroid changes up the design again.

So oh well . . . they killed our super awesome Samus, at least she's in her armor most of the time.

Samus is dead to me DEAD I TELLS YAS!
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RE:Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2007, 09:08:55 PM »
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Alright, thanks for putting this as post #100. Sorry for screwing with you there, TVMan.

I would like to point out that this thread has hit 100 posts before any others in this section (the megathread doesn't count).

What do the nay-sayers have to say about that besides "Nay"?
That doesn't make this a good thread. Anyway I'd say about 40% of the posts are you yourself whining.
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« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2007, 03:47:02 AM »
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The funny thing is that it's obvious this new direction Nintendo made for Samus was mostly done to atract the japanese audience. I don't know if it was succesful or not, but the game will always sell and be more popular in this part of the ocean, so why try? all they are doing is ruining it for the rest of us. I hope nintendo just stop trying this remake of metroid's whole image, let it be what it is, neither anime looking nor halo-ish or generic fps.


Agreed.

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Just in case anyone would like to see Samus' zero suit appearance in the Zelda II of Metroids, MPH, here is an extremely spoiler filled and somewhat fuzzy video.

That is how ZSS should look within the context of a "realistic" (read: western style) Metroid game (I am looking at you MP2).

Do not think though that I find the more "anime" style ZSS any less deserving of being part of the Metroid series, I like them both.

EDIT: Some things I forgot to mention; I was trying to get this clip off of my copy of the game but my camera would not cooperate, thus I looked for it on youtube, also, I really like MPH, but every Metroid fan I have talked to hates it, thus the comparison with Zelda II (which is tied for my second favorite Zelda game), because MPH also shares it's fate as the redheaded stepchild of it's series.


I've got to agree, her look in that movie is worlds better.

Never got around to finishing MP:H. Not that I didn't like the game, I just got addicted to Advance Wars right afterward.

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That doesn't make this a good thread. Anyway I'd say about 40% of the posts are you yourself whining.


And whining about whiners makes you better how?
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RE: Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2007, 03:29:52 PM »
Because our whining would never have started if you hadn't been whining first.
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« Reply #111 on: August 14, 2007, 04:19:49 AM »
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Because our whining would never have started if you hadn't been whining first.


Remove the whine, and internet forums would be boring places.

Anyway, I just remembered that a lot of Half-Life 2 saw massive redesigns. One such example is that Alyx Vance was originally going to be the daughter of General Vance (originally a different character then Eli) and had a bit tougher personality. She also had a totally different outfit.  That outfit would fit much better. It's still a form-fitting jumpsuit, but nowhere near as tight. The boots, belt and jacket look good on it, too.

I think that that wold be a good change for the Zero Suit. Even without the jacket and boots, it would still look better if it wasn't so tight.  
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RE: Official Samus Discussion
« Reply #112 on: August 14, 2007, 09:58:23 PM »
I'd say the zero suit should look less like something you'd want people to see, it's probably just like the fireproof underwear F1 drivers wear with a bit more sci-fi life support systems in there like a catheter.
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« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2007, 06:19:59 AM »
retro could totally made an awesome design out of the ZM suit with what KDR_11k said. I don't know if because it will be seen for less than a second retro isn't putting any effort, but I doubt it, rooms alone in both prime games are overwhelmed by little details that most players barely notice, yet retro took the time to put them there.
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« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2007, 06:24:12 AM »
What is Samus's official height and weight again?  I couldn't find it.  We could just figure out her BMI to see if its realistic for what she does.
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« Reply #115 on: August 15, 2007, 06:39:39 AM »
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What is Samus's official height and weight again?  I couldn't find it.  We could just figure out her BMI to see if its realistic for what she does.


I think it was 6 feet three inches, and 198 pounds.
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« Reply #116 on: August 15, 2007, 08:01:37 AM »
I'm sure that's with the suit on. Otherwise she's huger than PS3.
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« Reply #117 on: August 15, 2007, 08:03:28 AM »
24.7.  Now if you say she is a women between 20-29 she is in the 63rd percentile and is just overweight.
Ironic no?

(Now take in account it is assumed that the person has the average mixture of muscle and fat.  If you're all muscle this is relatively useless.)
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« Reply #118 on: August 15, 2007, 01:24:57 PM »
Oh my god. Just like celebrity watchers, we're using the internet to obsess over Samus' weight and if she's overweight or not.

WHAT NEXT? SAMUS HAS A BABY BUMP?!?!?
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« Reply #119 on: August 15, 2007, 01:50:26 PM »
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24.7. Now if you say she is a women between 20-29 she is in the 63rd percentile and is just overweight.
Ironic no?

(Now take in account it is assumed that the person has the average mixture of muscle and fat. If you're all muscle this is relatively useless.)


Interesting. Muscle weighs more then fat, so it's possible she's got more muscle then fat, suggesting she should be more muscular in design.

Or the Developers just chose some numbers off the top of their heads.

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I'm sure that's with the suit on. Otherwise she's huger than PS3.


So the suit weighs less then 50 pounds?

I'd sooner think the devs just pulled some numbers out of their ass. Which they probably did.

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SAMUS HAS A BABY BUMP?!?!?


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« Reply #120 on: August 15, 2007, 02:03:00 PM »
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SAMUS HAS A BABY BUMP?!?!?


REALLY?!?


Yup. That was me. I'm a pimp. What can I say?  
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« Reply #121 on: August 15, 2007, 02:36:47 PM »
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What can I say?


Well, I would say you should say "That was me", but you already did. So yeah... I dunno.
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« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2007, 04:01:15 PM »
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I'm sure that's with the suit on. Otherwise she's huger than PS3.


So the suit weighs less then 50 pounds?

I'd sooner think the devs just pulled some numbers out of their ass. Which they probably did.


Probably. I mean, 6'3" is huge.
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« Reply #123 on: August 15, 2007, 04:11:08 PM »
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Probably. I mean, 6'3" is huge.


Huge, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's around how tall they wanted her to be. After all, one of the best ways to put a hero apart from others is sheer height. It makes them seem more powerful. Most epic heroes are described that way.  
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« Reply #124 on: August 15, 2007, 04:28:03 PM »
Samus is an amazon confirmed.
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