Topic: Official SSBB SmashDate Discussion

[Strell]

Sakurai could just write funny dialogue for the Brawl Dojo for the rest of his life and I'd be super happy.

[KDR_11k]

Super Stamp Collector Bros

[Spak-Spang]

Really once the art team has finished designing the levels and character models, which they should have been done with a Loooooooooooong time ago for working out balancing issues and such.

They should have the freedom and the time to go crazy with stickers, trophies, and whatever else floats there boat.  But also I notice that many of the stickers are based off of other games concept art, and probably didn't distract the art team whatsoever.

People really like to complain alot when they talk about games they have high expectations for.  Well for me, my expectations would not be meet if the little details and added game modes and bonuses were not in there.  Stickers is a really cool plus, and I am glad to see it in there whether or not I use it on a regular basis.

[Adrock]

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Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months. This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them. Smash Bros has become a non-game.

*sarcasm machine explodes*

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months.  This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them.  Smash Bros has become a non-game.

Lighten up.  As Pap said, it takes all of 1 minute to change a jpg into a sticker most likely.  I wouldn't be suprised if this was an extra feature added after the game was done and Sakurai had extra time after finishing and decided to add some extra features just for the fun of it.

You're right. I mean, Melee had a chunk of its development budget spent on making trophies, and it's not like Melee was rushed, filled with clones and horribly unbalanced.

Oh wait...

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Stickers is a really cool plus, and I am glad to see it in there whether or not I use it on a regular basis.

You won't, though. You'll try it a couple times, then, like the trophies, you'll forget the mode exists and go back to the multiplayer, which you'll be playing for the next 5-6 years like the rest of us.

Personally, I don't want to have to play as a f*cking space animal if I hope to compete in online tournaments, and if that's the case yet AGAIN in Brawl, then I'm going to ring the neck of everyone I meet IRL who mentions how much they love the trophies/stickers.

Seriously, put this sh*t up on the VC for $5, call it "Nintendo Sticker Fun" and let that be the end of it.

[Mashiro]

You know, my original post WAS going to say:

*in before people complain about how sticker mode means Brawl will have less production value because it used team resources*

but I figured it would start a dumb argument. It's a shame it had to pop up anyway.

"ZOMG EXTRAS ZOMG IT'S HORRIBLE! EVERYONES GOING TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER WHO NEEDS EXTRA MODES!?!?!"

They sky is falling the sky is falling blah blah blah.

You know just because YOU don't think you will play around with the mode at all doesn't mean others won't. So stop freaking out about.

[UERD]

Melee was rushed because it was a launch title, right? I'm pretty sure that Brawl's projected release date carries no special significance. If they need to, they'll probably push the date back to get everything working right. If they don't do that, they'll cut out peripheral features to focus more on the core gameplay. If they don't do that, they'll probably patch the game after release to get it up to snuff. And if they don't do any of that...well, they don't have an excuse, do they? But in this case, they have every incentive to get things right, even if it means taking more time.

But gameplay is paramount anyways. I wish they'd talk about how they're testing or balancing the game, instead of just saying 'ooh, look at all our innovative gameplay mechanics'. Are the new mechanics exploitable? Are there going to be abilities that are horribly overused or underused? Are characters in different weight classes going to be evenly matched against each other? These are the questions I'm *really* interested in.

[Bill Aurion]

"You won't, though. You'll try it a couple times, then, like the trophies, you'll forget the mode exists and go back to the multiplayer,"

Oy!  I still go back to look through my trophies! (my Marin and Ayumi Tachibana trophies...Most under-appreciated heroines ever!)  

"Personally, I don't want to have to play as a f*cking space animal if I hope to compete in online tournaments"

Then don't ****ing play, it's as simple as that...Or ironically, learn how to play...

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro You know just because YOU don't think you will play around with the mode at all doesn't mean others won't. So stop freaking out about.

I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out".

First of all, yes, I do think Sora should focus entirely upon the core gameplay before they do anything with extras, but neither my opinion or yours expressed here will change what they decide to do with their time.

Second, that doesn't change the fact that I think this mode is the most idiotic thing they've done in a while. "Sticker Mode"? SSBM received a T rating for violence and I doubt Brawl will be any different. Who above the age of 13 would have the intellect to appreciate this kind of thing? This is a glorified version of the Photo Channel, which I'm sure we all played with for 15-20 minutes and then we were done with it.

That said, if they're going to give us extras, how about extras that don't SUCK?

How about a costume change mode, where you can alter the appearance of a character, add decals to them, and bind them to your name so that, whenever you play as Link, for example, he'll be wearing the decals you customized for him on his shield, tabard, etc.

Or maybe a character mod mode, where you can alter the size, strength and proportions of a character, then save the template and use them in a special "mod mode" where you can play as your modded character.

Trophies and stickers are cute and everything, but I'll never understand why engaging in Nintendo fansturbation seems to be acceptable as an extra while awesome extras like the ones in F-Zero GX, for example, go overlooked when they'd add assloads of replay value to the game.

[Bill Aurion]

"I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out"."

Want a hint why?  

=3

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Then don't ****ing play, it's as simple as that...Or ironically, learn how to play...

I don't want to start this argument again, but the bottom line is, SSBM has tiers, and when online tournaments start popping up (provided Strell doesn't win his bet), then the people who still deny the existence of tiers are in for a very rude awakening.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

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Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Yes, Sakurai has had the entire team working on stickers for the last 12 months.  This game has actually changed from focusing on fighting to focusing on collecting stickers making comics out of them.  Smash Bros has become a non-game.

Lighten up.  As Pap said, it takes all of 1 minute to change a jpg into a sticker most likely.  I wouldn't be suprised if this was an extra feature added after the game was done and Sakurai had extra time after finishing and decided to add some extra features just for the fun of it.

You're right. I mean, Melee had a chunk of its development budget spent on making trophies, and it's not like Melee was rushed, filled with clones and horribly unbalanced.

Oh wait...

Even the trophies were rushed and unbalanced the final tally was an odd number, many of them were ripped from existing game elements (like 2D Sprite Birdo) and many characters were missing (Dixie and K.Rool but no Diddy?).

I have to agree with S_B. The stickers are not a bad idea, but its NOT the core gameplay. Its a bonus feature so it shouldn't be the main focus during the development. Working hard on making the online mode work flawlessly should be a very important focus.

[Bill Aurion]

Oh, and I hate hearing this "tiers" word, mainly because it's said by people who don't play the game right in the first place... =)

[Strell]

Oh god, we aren't starting the argument about how Melee is apparently a steaming POS again, are we?

Christ...

[Smash_Brother]

No, no, no...

This about how Brawl is more than likely going to have tiers as well. Every fighting game has them. It's inevitable.

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Oh, and I hate hearing this "tiers" word, mainly because it's said by people who don't play the game right in the first place... =)

So you're just going to tell people who stomp you online that they're "not playing the game right"? Mind if I borrow that?

[Smash_Brother]

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Want a hint why?

What does my avatar have to do with me or other people being accused of freaking out?

[Bill Aurion]

"What does my avatar have to do with me or other people being accused of freaking out?"

This has to be the most brilliant case of "not getting it" I've seen all day!

"So you're just going to tell people who stomp you online that they're "not playing the game right"? Mind if I borrow that?"

You're implying I'd actually play people in a "no-items on Final Destination" scenario...  

[Mashiro]

Well I play as Link and he isn't top tier but I own with him just the same.

Furthermore, tiers are in a lot of fighting games. They exist and it's a fact everyone should be used to by now.

Who cares though? Like I said yeah Link isn't top tier but does that mean he's bad? No.

I'm not saying certain characters in Melee were underpowered due to balancing issues. I'm just saying their will be "tiers" regardless of how well things are balanced.

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Oh god, we aren't starting the argument about how Melee is apparently a steaming POS again, are we?

Christ...

Yeah here we go again.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"What does my avatar have to do with me or other people being accused of freaking out?"

This has to be the most brilliant case of "not getting it" I've seen all day!

Well, what you are trying to imply is far too subtle to get.

I mean, S_B's icon is a 3D, rotating aircraft. What does that have anything to do with people freaking out? That the spinning aircraft is a metaphor for loosing control over your logic? That S_B and others are constantly spinning their opinions around?

[Bill Aurion]

Was it really that hard to figure out that I used his avatar in place of "Because it's you, Smash_Brother"?

[Mashiro]

Oh on a side note:

MEGATHREAD REBORN!

[Luigi Dude]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh, and I hate hearing this "tiers" word, mainly because it's said by people who don't play the game right in the first place... =)

Exactly

Everyone that says Melee is broken with tiers needs to check what the official tiers are more often.  The tier list in Melee is ALWAYS changing because characters that were thought used to suck, are suddenly moved up several levels.  This is because there are people that actually took the time to master some of the so called low tier characters enter a tournament and finally show people how to play as these characters.

And I for one can tell you Melee's tier list is crap when as a Luigi player out of my group of friends I normally beat the Fox and Marth player of the group more often then lost.  Now last time I saw a tier list Luigi was considered mid to low tier while Marth and Fox were top tier.  Now if Melee was so horribly unbalanced then the Fox and Marth player should beat me everytime, yet I'm the one who won more often.

Now I am better then the Fox player, but the Marth player is even with me.  That's why the matches between me and him were always close and came down to both of us with only 1 stock left and damage over 100% on each side.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Was it really that hard to figure out that I used his avatar in place of "Because it's you, Smash_Brother"?

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I love how as soon as I mention anything negative about this game (or when ANYONE mentions anything negative about this game), people immediately accuse them of "freaking out".

As I said already, I've seen the "freaking out" accusation flung at many people across many boards, and always when they disagree with popular opinion about SSBB. The first thing people try to do to rattle an argument they disagree with is to accuse the person making the argument of not being in their right mind.

It's a covert means of attacking the debater and not the argument.

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You're implying I'd actually play people in a "no-items on Final Destination" scenario...

So you won't be playing in any online tournaments, then?

I love SSB in any way it's played, on any level with any setting, be it 1v1, 3v1 or 4vAll.

Items do make the game fun, yes, but their presence means the game is based more on luck and less on straight up skill. If you want to truly know where you stand against another player on skill and skill alone, they need to be shut off.

Meanwhile, back to the topic...

In conclusion, the sticker mode sucks and is a worthless use of development resources. Give us some extras which, god forbid, actually influence the core gameplay (like slow mo mode, tiny mode, giant mode, etc.).

The game will be rated T for Teen. I don't know any teenagers who still play with stickers.

[Mashiro]

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In conclusion, the sticker mode sucks and is a worthless use of development resources. Give us some extras which, god forbid, actually influence the core gameplay (like slow mo mode, tiny mode, giant mode, etc.).

Who said those modes won't be coming back?

Also I enjoy the extra sticker mode, it doesn't suck.

oh and welcome back megathread!

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Also I enjoy the extra sticker mode, it doesn't suck.

And you're entitled to that opinion.

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oh and welcome back megathread!

"WHAT?! A DISSENTING OPINION?! All is lost forever!"

I wasn't aware that dissenting opinions would destroy this thread forever.

I think the sticker mode is a terrible idea.

Deal.