Topic: Was anyone else disappointed by E3 this year?

[tssf]

As far as I'm personally concerned, E3 was a flop. There's absolutely no games that I'm looking forward to.. Well, I suppose I can say that the WiiFit game is looking slightly interesting..but..still.. There were no earth-shattering, game realm-shaking announcements or unveilings. There was nothing overly desirable shown on screen..at least not in my opinion.

Metroid looks good but it looks like Metroid Prime 2. I guess maybe because I wasn't much of a metroid fan.

Super Mario Galaxy looks okay, but instead of going with these "Super Mario <insert environment here>" names, it doesn't seem to be that Super Mario 5 that everyone's wants. (I don't really see "New Super Mario Bros" as  SMB5.

No, it feels like Nintendo's getting "Comfortable", like they did when the SNES was doing super well. Then, the Playstation swooped in. PS3 may not be doing as well as Sony hopes, but it still doesn't mean Nintendo is in the clear for first this generation.

And what's this about all the non-games? I mean it's fine Nintendo's trying to appeal to the audiences, tap the crowd that used to shun them. But, what about the games..the epic actual games which everyone loves so?

Heh, the only non-game I'm really looking forward to is WiiMusic, and they probably won't even release that! There's no information on it, and no one seems to care.. Am I the only one who can see the potential in having a music game that can read back Midi files, and you must conduct the orchestra in the desired time and speed? The fact that it could be expandable and read actual MIDI files from the SD slot for new levels! This was a really neat concept that they just ..quietly swept under t he carpet.

I'm afraid. My Wii hasn't been played in months. Is this all I get for sitting infront of FutureShop for 16 hours in the blistering cold?

[GoldenPhoenix]

I believe you are virtually alone when it comes to your opinion Mario Galaxy. Let me ask you, was Mario 64 the SupeR Mario everyone wanted coming out the SNES era? Um no, Mario 64 was a huge change the series, and Mario Galaxy looks to be yet another evolution of the series. Anyway I think you have to be crazy for not being excited for any of the upcoming games.

My list (Includes some games not on Wii):

Endless Ocean
Mass Effect
Metroid Prime 3
Smash Brothers
Mario Soccer
RE: UC
Zack and Wiki (I just watched some stuff on it and I am REALLY excited, though this could be bumped to 2008)
Mario Galaxy
Bio-Shock
Batallion Wars II

[Mashiro]

Wow . . . is this a really horrible attempt at a troll?

For starters Metroid Prime 3 is far better looking than Metroid Prime 2. A lot of effort has gone into the title and it shows I don't know if it's because you're not a metroid fan that you didn't notice but it does look better than 2. As everyone says the screens and video don't do it justice.

Secondly, Super Mario Galaxy looks BEAUTIFUL and hands down the best looking Wii game to date (saying good is an insult sorry). From the impressions and videos so far it seems to be shaping up to be one of the best Mario games yet. It may not be Super Mario Bros. but it's not a bad game.

Nintendo isn't comfortable they are putting a lot of effort into the titles they make and I don't think these comments are really fair to the company.

Edit: GP beat me to the first post! You win this round GP

[tssf]

It's not like my comments are going to hurt the company's feelings. But I do stand by my opinions.

Super Mario Galaxy looks gorgeous yes, but it doesn't look like the new Mario game I really wanna play. :/

Metroid Prime 3.. well.. hmm, perhaps I'm not enough of a Metroid fanboy to see the difference in graphics quality between 2 and 3. To me both games look the same.

I assure you this is not trolling though, surely there must be some people who expected more out of this E3 than what we got?

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Wow . . . is this a really horrible attempt at a troll?

For starters Metroid Prime 3 is far better looking than Metroid Prime 2. A lot of effort has gone into the title and it shows I don't know if it's because you're not a metroid fan that you didn't notice but it does look better than 2. As everyone says the screens and video don't do it justice.

Secondly, Super Mario Galaxy looks BEAUTIFUL and hands down the best looking Wii game to date (saying good is an insult sorry). From the impressions and videos so far it seems to be shaping up to be one of the best Mario games yet. It may not be Super Mario Bros. but it's not a bad game.

Nintendo isn't comfortable they are putting a lot of effort into the titles they make and I don't think these comments are really fair to the company.

What impresses me most about Metroid Prime 3 is Retro's attempt at including different worlds which is a first for the game. That sky city level looks stunning and has the kind of artistic detail that makes you say "wow". Mario Galaxy is the same way, like was said on the last Wiik in review, the game is perfect for freedom of artistic expression. Since the game is split into different worlds of varying sizesm any zany idea that a designer has can fit the game since space and consistency is not required when it comes to design. Not to mention, as I said before, this is the first big evolution in the Mario franchise since Mario 64 (Arguably I think it could be as big as Mario 64 was when it came to evolving the franchise).

[Mashiro]

Well if your expectations were to be like the E3 of yesteryear I could see how you would be let down. The new format had its plusses and minuses.

Heck as it stands now E3 may not even be around next yet, it's a very big topic of discussion now how E3 will be pulled off in the future.

I would say though that while I was a little upset some big Megaton announcement wasn't made I certainly wasn't disappointed in what was shown. Starting in august through the first quarter of 2008 I expect Wii to be phenomenally fun to play with all the great games coming out. The stream of games that are coming are just going to be amazing and your Wii will get plenty of use.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: tssf
There were no earth-shattering, game realm-shaking announcements or unveilings.

Yeah, I agree, this E3 seemed much more "this year" focused, and there weren't a lot of brand new announcements, or even announcements that were completely, utterly, unanticipated. (except maybe for the controversy of Wii Fit and Sony's little blurb about getting exclusive MMORPGs from Korean MMORPG grindhouse NCSoft)

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Originally posted by: tssf
No, it feels like Nintendo's getting "Comfortable", like they did when the SNES was doing super well.

I don't know where you get this though. They showed that they were working with thrid parties with Capcom's RE:UC and Sega's Ghost Squad BOTH supporting the Wii Zapper this fall... which Nintendo is aggressively penetrating with a $19.99 price point and free pack-in in-house game. They announced Mario Kart for early 2008, no after-Christmas drought here! They're pinning their hopes on PH, which they collaborated with Fansite TheHylia to showcase and testimonialize: A Zelda game played through the touchscreen, which got a 39/40 in Famitsu and which may just bring hardcore and non-gamers together buying the same game (Miyamoto stated that he wanted his sister to try it in a recent interview, for example. AND they're not resting on their Wii Sports laurels because they've got Wii Fit in the pipeline.

I saw a Nintendo that was, yes, still very reserved, but also very specific about what they wanted to accomplish at the show. They didn't want to parade a whole bunch of game trailers in front of people. They wanted to craft certain key messages and points as best they could.

In fact, they were pretty decent at it. Just look at the mainstream press, where almost every article out there praises Nintendo and relegates Sony and MS to also-rans at best, and incompetent dinosaurs at worst. Just peruse through this thread, where a bunch of hardcore gamers gape aghast at what news sources like The Washington Post are saying about the event.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: tssf
It's not like my comments are going to hurt the company's feelings. But I do stand by my opinions.

Super Mario Galaxy looks gorgeous yes, but it doesn't look like the new Mario game I really wanna play. :/

Metroid Prime 3.. well.. hmm, perhaps I'm not enough of a Metroid fanboy to see the difference in graphics quality between 2 and 3. To me both games look the same.

I assure you this is not trolling though, surely there must be some people who expected more out of this E3 than what we got?

I ask you, was Mario 64 the game you expected to play? Were you disappointed it pretty much trashed the Mario formula?  

[Mashiro]

Karion that thread is hilarious, people make out like the world is coming to an end.

Thank god for Nintendo, if there was no Nintendo the video game industry would just keep shrinking and eventually collapse in on itself =/

[GoldenPhoenix]

The way Nintendo has gotten the mainstream press on their side (and in turn the public at large) has been nothing short of amazing. Honestly, I have been worried about the gaming industry from the past few years, because it has hit a rut where it churns out almost the exact same games with the same art style, and even the same character designs. There was going to be a point where people would start to think "Haven't I played this before a 1000 times before. Just under a different name?". Realism in both visuals and gameplay style can only take you so far, it is games like Mario Galaxy that will keep this industry afloat, because it expands the imagination of not only the gamer but the developers as well.  

[Ghisy]

About the mainstream press, the only newspapers I've read this week were ONLY mentioning (the lame attempt for) the "new" design of the PSP.
Not a single word about forthcoming Wii games, nor DS games.
Seems like press in France was given moneyhats by Sony! Bleh.

[Mashiro]

Booo France and their moneyhat ways!

lol just kidding much love Ghisy. <3

Anyway I agree with you 100% GP.

[Smoke39]

I'm with tssf on Galaxy.  I still don't see what all the fuss is about.

But there are a number of games I'm looking forward to.  It didn't seem like we got all much new info, though, which is kind of disapointing.  It's a shame the only new Brawl info we got was a release date.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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I'm with tssf on Galaxy.  I still don't see what all the fuss is about.

But there are a number of games I'm looking forward to.  It didn't seem like we got all much new info, though, which is kind of disapointing.  It's a shame the only new Brawl info we got was a release date.

I think your dancing robot thing got to your head! Shame on you for not getting excited about SMG! Don't you feel bad now?

[Mashiro]

Anyone one who doesn't get excited about SMG is a racist. There I said it.

(Family Guy reference take no offense.)

[Smoke39]

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I think your dancing robot thing got to your head! Shame on you for not getting excited about SMG! Don't you feel bad now?

No.  Mario can bite me.

And it's not a robot.  Gawd.  You think you're so smart just 'cause your avatar's some freaky lady standing in front of yellow thing stuff.

Mash': your mom's a racist.

[Plugabugz]

E3 was pretty good this year. There hasn't been any mention of Disaster or Project Hammer (more worryingly in the latter instance), but from the European side of things i'm impressed because Nintendo Europe have finally got the release dates in check. Yes Prime 3 and Paper Mario are late and Brawl is 2008, but there's pretty much titles i want from now until the end of the year.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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I think your dancing robot thing got to your head! Shame on you for not getting excited about SMG! Don't you feel bad now?

No.  Mario can bite me.

And it's not a robot.  Gawd.  You think you're so smart just 'cause your avatar's some freaky lady standing in front of yellow thing stuff.

Mash': your mom's a racist.

That freaky lady is She-Ra! So take that.

[Smoke39]

My mercenary could beat your freaky lady any day.  He has missiles, and invincibility shield power.

So take that.

[Mashiro]

Mario would transform into a killer bee, sting your mercenary then run away and go "woohoo!!!"

Whatcha say about that?!

[Smoke39]

Shut up.  No one cares about Mario.  He has nothing to do with this.

[Mashiro]

Mario has everything to do with anything.

/threadover

[Smoke39]

Mario's an overweight plumber who never even plumbs anything.  What a loser.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Getting alittle hostile aren't we? Better ban the both of you for flaming each other. Bad Smoke and bad Mashiro.

[Smoke39]

You started it!