Author Topic: Wii to feature same online structure as the DS (Read 40501 times)

31 Flavas · « **Reply #100 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:05:53 AM »

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Originally posted by: DeadlyD
System doesnt work for less popular games, you can be waiting in regional play for hours without anyone one
Would be much easier, were you can see lobbys and see if anyone IS online

If you're not being auto-matched, then no one is available. A lobby will tell you no different. Tetris DS will match you with someone of comparable skill level, but if there is a shortage of players it will match unskilled opponents against very skilled opponents. (shows up more often in 4 player mode)

MANTI5 · « **Reply #101 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:25:47 AM »

As it stands, it doesn't matter if Nintendo gets sued any more, they won't lose.

"The Child Online Protection Act was effectively killed by a federal judge on Thursday, and the prospects for further legislation of its type don't look promising." More here

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #102 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:59:37 AM »

I've read over the COPA information in that article but I don't see anything mentioning why this will protect Nintendo when a pedo lures a kid.

The argument Nintendo would face is: "My kid got on the internet on the Wii without me knowing about it an got lured by a pedo so it's Nintendo's fault!"

Strangely enough, this whole argument wouldn't exist if Nintendo charged for their online service and required a credit card to subscribe to it...

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #103 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:04:05 AM »

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Strangely enough, this whole argument wouldn't exist if Nintendo charged for their online service and required a credit card to subscribe to it...

But then you would have A TON of fans bitching that Nintendo is forcing them to pay to play their favorite games online and that anyone that plays for online content is a fool...Truly, there's no pleasing people.

But my question is, would fans be pleased if Nintendo implemented a security system that was very safe but EXTREMELY easy to use, like instead of 16+ number friend codes, use 4 or an user created password?

Strell · « **Reply #104 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:08:37 AM »

You'd trust Nintendo - who can't even keep hackers from ruining Mario Kart DS - with your personal credit card information, especially in the wake of Microsoft being exposed with having HUGE problems with accounts and CC#s getting stolen?

Sh*t. There are clans in Halo 2 who proudly boast that they can steal your account and your information, and then run up a ton of charges within seconds.

I would not be a part of that kind of sh*t. All it takes is some spoiled 16 year old script kiddie who has no life or friends to get pissed when I hand him his ass in Smash Bros to get all pissy and hunt down my online credentials.

31 Flavas · « **Reply #105 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:15:32 AM »

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Originally posted by: pap64
But my question is, would fans be pleased if Nintendo implemented a security system that was very safe but EXTREMELY easy to use, like instead of 16+ number friend codes, use 4 or an user created password?

With a 4 digit number... how would you avoid ambiguity? With the millions of DS owers going online with games, #1234 could refer to perhaps a thousand different people.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #106 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:26:54 AM »

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Originally posted by: Strell
You'd trust Nintendo - who can't even keep hackers from ruining Mario Kart DS - with your personal credit card information, especially in the wake of Microsoft being exposed with having HUGE problems with accounts and CC#s getting stolen?

Sh*t. There are clans in Halo 2 who proudly boast that they can steal your account and your information, and then run up a ton of charges within seconds.

I would not be a part of that kind of sh*t. All it takes is some spoiled 16 year old script kiddie who has no life or friends to get pissed when I hand him his ass in Smash Bros to get all pissy and hunt down my online credentials.

You bring up a good point...Maybe Nintendo doesn't want to bother when stolen credit card cases rises.

So this just proves my point: Fans don't want a strict online security system because its cumbersome and you jump through a lot of hoops. But they also don't want to go online unprotected.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #107 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:45:37 AM »

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Originally posted by: Strell
You'd trust Nintendo - who can't even keep hackers from ruining Mario Kart DS - with your personal credit card information, especially in the wake of Microsoft being exposed with having HUGE problems with accounts and CC#s getting stolen?

Can you link proof that this is actually happening because it sounds like pure BS.

If people could do sh*t like this, then AOL would have been plagued by it for years.

Adrock · « **Reply #108 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:48:42 AM »

The rift between Nintendo and its fans regarding online gaming essentially boils down to Nintendo announcing a free structure and fans basically assuming that it would be as robust as Xbox Live Gold without that super-appalling $49.99 per year price of admission. Friend codes just made it harder to swallow because of the sheer inept nature of the friend code system. Had Nintendo nixed friend codes and offered a subscription perhaps simpler than Xbox Live Gold for a fraction of the price, I think people would be more willing to accept it even if they had to pay a small sum. Some people would b*tch because that's what people do, but hey, you can't please everyone. You just have to try to please as many people as possible.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #109 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:50:19 AM »

I'd pay $20-50 a year for the ability to play all of Nintendo's games online and get access to free demos and such, sure.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #110 on:** March 25, 2007, 07:56:12 AM »

I would honestly play the 20 bucks a year fee for online game, since it sounds about right.

And SB, the Mario Kart cases are real. I don't remember where I read it, but there were some cases where players had hacked the game somehow. The same thing happened in Animal Crossing WW where a potential bug could wipe out your date.

Kairon · « **Reply #111 on:** March 25, 2007, 08:39:17 AM »

I NEVER want to pay to play Nintendo games online. I would, but I NEVER want to. And $20 dollars a year is a good price, but it's SHOCKINGLY unrealistic considering that buys you a little over ONE MONTH of WoW.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Smoke39 · « **Reply #112 on:** March 25, 2007, 02:43:56 PM »

I really don't think the fact that it's free has anything to do with friend codes. How much simpler could it be for each game to check their own lists of players instead of simply accessing the system's list of players? Also, what about all the PC games with free multiplayer that require no goofy code business at all?

In any case, I'd never pay to play Nintendo games online. Multiplayer just doesn't appeal to me nearly enough to.

Strell · « **Reply #113 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:40:22 PM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Strell
You'd trust Nintendo - who can't even keep hackers from ruining Mario Kart DS - with your personal credit card information, especially in the wake of Microsoft being exposed with having HUGE problems with accounts and CC#s getting stolen?

Can you link proof that this is actually happening because it sounds like pure BS.

Ok.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen-245887.php

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/21/microsoft-investigating-possible-xbox-live-hacking

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6167801&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6167801

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/03/21/xbox-live-security-3-21.aspx

Nephilim · « **Reply #114 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:06:51 PM »

Yea they hacked the database which u could pay online for live, not really that big
remember paypal has been hacked that way also in the past

even the largest companys, just need one server that hasnt been updated and boom

Ian Sane · « **Reply #115 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:54:46 AM »

"But my question is, would fans be pleased if Nintendo implemented a security system that was very safe but EXTREMELY easy to use, like instead of 16+ number friend codes, use 4 or an user created password?"

Hell I would be fine with one 16+ number for the console, like a phone number. The fact that it's a game-by-game basis is the most annoying part. Just because Nintendo's service is free doesn't mean it has to suck. For years PC games have offered free online play. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of Xbox Live but that isn't needed to have a good online setup, just having a logical match-making service.

Nintendo's implementation has nothing to do with cost. All this friend code nonsence isn't to save money. I don't even think it can save money. It's just a way to do things and unfortunately it's a really awkward inflexible one. Having a fee would just result in an awkward inflexible solution that costs money.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #116 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:57:01 AM »

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #117 on:** March 26, 2007, 05:02:47 AM »

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Originally posted by: Strell
Ok.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/xbox-live-hacked-accounts-stolen-245887.php

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/21/microsoft-investigating-possible-xbox-live-hacking

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6167801?=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6167801

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/03/21/xbox-live-security-3-21.aspx

Uhh...

Despite some recent reports and speculation, I want to reassure all of our 6 million Xbox Live members that we have looked into the situation and found no evidence of any compromise of the security of the Xbox Live Network or Bungie.net. There have been a few isolated incidents where malicious users have been attempting to draw personal information from unsuspecting users and use it to gain access to their LIVE account. This is a good time to remind our members that they should never give out any of their personal information. Additionally it may be a good idea to download this free PDF file from Microsoft.com ' Help Protect Yourself Against Identity Theft’ that gives you some excellent information and tips on how to protect yourself.

This sounds like social engineering to me, where someone asks someone else sh*t like "What's your pet's name?" and eventually they're able to figure out what the user's password is.

People just blame hacking because they don't want to admit that they were stupid enough to give their information to someone else on the service.

As near as I can tell, all of this was just a rumor.

Ceric · « **Reply #118 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:22:22 AM »

Social Engineering. The Bane of an Admins life. It takes less time then cracking a system most of the time if your good at it.

Strell · « **Reply #119 on:** March 26, 2007, 09:42:42 AM »

Doesn't change the fact that Nintendo can't even handle hackerz steelin' yur megahurtz in Mario Kart DS, and they've done absolutely nothing to curb that sort of behavior. So I have no faith in them at all to protect my CC#.

Not to mention that I would think it was only a matter of time before some idiot sold their CC# to someone on Craigslist and failed to erase their internal memory, and then would go on a warpath talking about how Nintendo was negligent in their own stupidity.

So it's not a valid solution either. That's precious data I don't want floating around on a game console.

Ceric · « **Reply #120 on:** March 26, 2007, 02:16:20 PM »

I love Cubetoons sometimes.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #121 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:06:29 PM »

Soo Mario Kart DS-stlye wait-fest matchups are still unconfirmed? Heck even yahoo games has had a minimal lobby and ranking system for..ever

Kairon · « **Reply #122 on:** March 28, 2007, 02:54:10 PM »

Oh people...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Smoke39 · « **Reply #123 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:12:50 PM »

What does that have to do with Nintendo's online structure?

Pittbboi · « **Reply #124 on:** March 28, 2007, 03:24:38 PM »

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What does that have to do with Nintendo's online structure?

To me it just proves that no matter WHAT outlandish steps Nintendo takes to avoid criticism from the public at large regarding safety, it still isn't going to escape the "games are violent! Waa waa waaaa!" outcries that are aimed at ALL of the gaming industry by people with too much time and not enough responsibility for one's actions (or inactions). So instead of constantly crippling their online and frustrating their fans to appeal to people who probably don't play games anyway, they should just grow a pair and stand up to public criticism, just like every other gaming company has done.

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Author Topic: Wii to feature same online structure as the DS (Read 40501 times)