Topic: Wii to feature same online structure as the DS

[Requiem]

http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/

This is som-ol-bullsh*t. The most depressing fact is that the Gamespy rep even said a UNIFIED CODE was possible but that Nintendo made all codes game specific.


WTF?!

[NWR_pap64]

Old topic. Its already being discussed on other threads.

[ShyGuy]

I like Nintendo, but this is just a dumb move.

[Pittbboi]

I'm not going to be all gloom and doom here...this won't stop the Wii. It'll be a setback, but the Wii will continue to be successful.

But at the same time, there's no denying Nintendo seriously dropped the ball with online gaming. I know the console is only 4 months old, but newness will only last so long. At some point you have to call it as you see it, and right now the Wii's online structure is a failure. I can't even lie and say I see potential for future greatness. There's next to nothing good to say about it...well, other than the fact that it's not costing them much. Unless Nintendo does a 180 with how they've been approaching online, the Wii's online offerings will be mediocre at best.

Which is unfortunate, because this is an area where the Wii could have really shined.

[Ian Sane]

"There's next to nothing good to say about it"

Well it is free at least... and it actually exists which is an improvement over the Gamecube.

[Pittbboi]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"There's next to nothing good to say about it"

Well it is free at least... and it actually exists which is an improvement over the Gamecube.

Hence the next to nothing.

And claiming that it's free will only get you so far. Heck, I think that, with Home amongst other things, Sony just kinda proved that "but it's free" isn't a valid justification for Nintendo's piss-poor online gaming structure.

[Requiem]

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Originally posted by: pap64
Old topic. Its already being discussed on other threads.

What? Where? This was posted by Falafelkid yesterday.

The only thing that scares me about this is if we get several games that are online masterpieces. It wouldn't be so bad if we just had a couple games to worry about. However, if online really takes hold, we would have go through the same motions for every game we play. That's just tedious.

And what if I met an opponent that I really like to play? How do I play them again later? What if I want to play them in something else? Is that even possible?

Nintendo could kill all reason to own a 360 if they get their sh@t together.

[Smash_Brother]

I don't think this means we'll need to type in friend codes for each player each time, only that we'll have to select them from the list of players we want to play against.

It's not QUITE as bad as typing in codes each time, but it would be nice if the friend list was just a friend list, period.

[couchmonkey]

Bad news, everybody!  Nintendo is making friends codes 200 chars long and you have to enter five while reciting the Japanese national anthem backwards before you can play against a single person!

I really don't see why we couldn't use the console friend list, I get the security concerns, but if you've already accepted them on your system, then you're going to accept them on most games.  I don't really care, but it's bad news.

[vherub]

This is bad, as in, we're-sticking-with-cartridges-this-generation bad.
This attitude is the wrong stance to take, and I can't help but feel that VC games will lack online features because of this viewpoint. Online play, high score tables, exhibition- all shackled by friend codes.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

It's ok, it's free, and the games aren't worth taking online anyway (such as Mario Party).

Except for BWii.

[IceCold]

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And what if I met an opponent that I really like to play? How do I play them again later? What if I want to play them in something else? Is that even possible?

The "Rival" feature in Metroid Prime Hunters allowed this. Also, the games will be fine for random matching. You'll only need friend codes to play with your friends, or for voice chat if/when a headset is released.

[ryancoke]

I understand if Nintendo wants to use friend codes. What I don't get is why they can't use universal friend codes for all games instead of individual codes for each game. worst decision ever

[nitsu niflheim]

to me online is mostly overrated.  it's just an excuse for most developers to not put a lot of effort into their game.  


"Yes our game sucks."
"But online it doesn't because it's ONLINE!!!!!"
"Get better review score because we have online."

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

See, it's very clear now, people.

With the Rivals system, Pedo-Wiiers are limited to "look, but don't talk" wi-fi interaction.

You can play against teh randums playerz, you just wont get to exchange age/sex/address info nor wisper sweet nothings thru your headset.

[Ian Sane]

"This is bad, as in, we're-sticking-with-cartridges-this-generation bad."

Nah, that was last gen when they didn't go online at all.  This is more of the typical Nintendo screwing up something that someone else did first.  Like with memory cards or demo discs Nintendo just has to f*ck up their first attempt because the idea was originally a competitor's and Nintendo was *gasp* proven wrong in their initial decision.  They sub-consciously f*ck it up almost to prove that they were really right.  "See memory cards and demo discs suck!  We were right to stick with cartridges."  "See online sucks!  We were right to not pursue it."  Though with Nintendo who knows if it's this is done sub-consciously.

Though I think a big part of it is Nintendo's general method of always doing things their own way.  The theory is that by thinking outside the box they can find a better solution.  Thus when someone else provides an incredibly logical setup for something Nintendo's response to it is usually crap because they're trying to fix what isn't broken.  Sometimes something is done in such a good way that thinking outside the box will just result in a worse solution because the best solution already exists.

[Viewtiful mario]

I've read about this on so many other forums and I'm glad that here I can actually say how wrong or over worried everyone here is.

Here's the intervew:

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Falafelkid: I would like to know if I am right in assuming that the features mentioned (friend rosters, advanced matchmaking capabilities and comprehensive rankings data) suggest a single, unified online platform for each console, rather than one which is dependent on individual games (as is the case with the DS).

GameSpy: GameSpy’s technology does allow for features that could span multiple games. With the Nintendo Wii, however, the multiplayer features are title-specific.

Falafelkid: But is that the case for all Wii online titles across the board?

GameSpy: Yes, that is the case for Wii titles.

Falafelkid: Just one last question to make absolutely sure I have got this right, please. If I have a friend roster in one game, that roster will not be available to me in any other game. I have to build up an entirely new list for each title, right?

GameSpy: The answer to your question is yes, for the Wii friend lists are game specific.

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Now press Ctrl+F and type the word "codes", you mey be suprised that the word "codes" is not mentioned AT ALL!!!!!!!!.  It just means that the only people that are on the firend list from each game will only be firends that have that game, so your entire wii# adress book won't be on every firend list on every online game you have.  You all speak as if this a compleat confrmation of using game spacific firend codes but your all just freaking out over nothing.  This isn't even nintendo saying this, it's just a random website guy asking a random Gamespy rep who probably knows nothing on nintnedo's online plan.  If this were Reggie and, you know, the words CODES was actually used, then ther'd be cause for concern but there isn't.
Andy by the way, it's not like you can't face random people anyway, practicly every online DS game allowed you to face strangers, you just can't talk to them.  Also, since you already exchaned wii #'s with your wii owning firends already, all you need to do is send them an email with your code in it (if it ever becomes neccecery), no paper or pencil required.  And if your the kind of person who can afford a butload of online games at the same time, you'r rich enough for your maid to type in the numbers.

So in conclusion, don't be forshadowing the apocolips just yet, this is a hardly reliable source that can be interprated many ways.

And if you think the wii's online is the crappyest thing since UMD's don't forget it CAN tell the Weather, News, and brows the internet, plus there's always the VC.

Stick that statement into your pipe and smoke it.

 

[TerribleOne]

Well V-Mario has a point about jumping into conclusions....

Or.. maybe i'm just being hopeful this is a really good, early April Fool's Joke, because seriously it sounds too dumb to be true. Never before have I wanted to be in the Conference room where this was decided so i could find out WHY... Like what are the pros and cons of Nintendo's implementing a RATIONAL online system as compared to this... um "plan"...

hmm.. Wii 2 2009?

[IceCold]

Let's hope you're right, Viewtiful Mario.. I definitely agree with you about your other points - random battles and rivals are still there, plus the Internet, News, Weather and VC are great.

[Requiem]

Wow Viewtiful....

That was a wii-bit aggressive, but you have a point. However, I'm going to think the worse of this situation simply because I don't want to get my hopes up.

[18 Days]

Why dont you guys just buy Xbox 360s if this actually matters to you. The fact is Xbox Live isn't even used by the majority of the 360 userbase, and that's the HARDCORE who have it now.

Yeah so Nintendo screwed up online, big deal, it's not like this actually matters to consumers.
I can't even get my Wii online for example.

[Requiem]

Regardless if I use it or not is beyond the point. It still ticks me off. Why? Because in the damn interview, the GameSpy Rep said Nintendo could have done online the right way, the way Viewtiful is arguing towards. However, Nintendo decided to be stubborn, and for what? To make us tediously have fun with friends online?

Furthermore, it counter-acts Nintendo's "make everything as easy and as simple as possible" philosophy. People are going to look at the Wiimote, and be like "wow, what a simple yet intriguing device", then look at the online infrastructure and be like "wait....WTF do I do?"

There's no f%cking reason why Nintendo should screw this up.

Also, using the 360 as an excuse for Nintendo NOT to do online right is a pretty lame excuse. You say only a margin of 360 owner's go online? Have you ever thought why that is? More importantly, have you ever thought that it was the 360 and not the "online-part" at fault?

[Pittbboi]

1) Sure, it only says friend lists are game specific, but how do you think you're going to have to populate those friend lists? Putting in stupid friend codes and having to have them confirm you, that's how. This setup might not be as annoying as having to use a friend code per person per game but it's still annoying as heck because the friend code system itself is annoying as heck. I just don't understand why Nintendo is sticking to a system that is universally--gamers and developers alike--hated. And the fact that Nintendo hasn't said anything about this unofficially confirms that it's true, because they usually keep quiet in the face of wild, negative rumors like this when they're true. Let the fanboys dig them out with some sort of "You guys are idiots! CLEARLY Nintendo's doing this because they're going to [insert ridiculously unsubstantiated and illogical reasoning here]!" and let the speculation grow so rabid that their original plan actually looks good in comparison.

It's one thing to defend Nintendo, but to defend them in light of this is blind fanboyism at its finest. The only thing people can say is "Well, it's not going to be THAT bad." That doesn't change the fact that, even if in the slim chance that they're right and Nintendo somehow redeems itself after this, their online state may not be AS bad but it will still be bad.

2) "buy an X-Box 360" is not the fix it. Nintendo said they'd give online a chance this gen. Online gaming is a must for consoles now. As a Wii owner I have a right to complain about Nintendo's piss poor offerings...especially when it lies in the shadow of the perfect solution. Online console gaming isn't new. The perfect model has been there for a while, for Nintendo to consistently ignore that fact is the perfect example of them thinking outside the box when what's inside the box is perfectly fine and logical.    

[Infernal Monkey]

I approve of this news, because it makes the internet really angry.

[darknight06]

Stop being a fanboy and buy a 360 if you're that upset.  Awww, can't do that?  Well either make do or sit down.  You KNEW they were gonna do something like this and had more than enough warning in advance.