Topic: Wii third party game debate heats up.

[Mario]

Oh god yes.

[ShyGuy]

You people are missing the point of all this. The article was inspired by a GoNintendo entry by RawMeatCowboy. You know what this means? Watch your back Matt Cassamassina! The Nintendo fanboy scene has a new media darling!

If anyone gets to derail my thread, it will be me!

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
If anyone gets to derail my thread, it will be me!

OK then, lets all be distractions! What's your new gimmick going to be? I see several old ones wrapped up in that avatar of yours. YOU CAN BE ORIGINAL, RIGHT?

[Infernal Monkey]

Hey guys I heard the Wii's got no mature games, because a game isn't mature unless it's got tits and blood (Dr. Kawashima's Women Puberty Training coming soon to PSP) I think I'll go play



Aw hell naaaaw  

[oohhboy]

As a salesman, I can state, as a fact, that the customer is never always right but it doesn't mean they are wrong.

Having seen the Mario Galaxy trailer, I finally understood why I am not a games designer. As imaginative, as cool as I can imagine a game, as right as I think my gameplay design is, I am wrong.

[ShyGuy]

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Originally posted by: Shift Key


OK then, lets all be distractions! What's your new gimmick going to be? I see several old ones wrapped up in that avatar of yours. YOU CAN BE ORIGINAL, RIGHT?

Oh its on now, fat avatar. DROP YO TRACK!

I think the Ninty seal of quality in your avatar shows where you stand when it comes to third parties.

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Oh its on now, fat avatar. DROP YO TRACK!

I think the Ninty seal of quality in your avatar shows where you stand when it comes to third parties.

SLANDER IS YOUR GAME, HUH?

EAT KOTTER THEN!

[TrueNerd]

On the 3/9 episode of 1Up Yours, N'Gai Croal of Newsweek paraphrased President Reggie in an interview saying that he believes that if 3rd parties would stop putting their 3rd or 4th string dev teams to work on Nintendo platforms and instead put their top flight teams to task, they'd see better results.

Hail to the Chief, baby.  

[Infernal Monkey]

Nah, then the Wii would just be flooded with boring, 'deep' crap like Devil May Cry and Metal Gear.

[Pittbboi]

what a strange world we live in when games like those can be called crap...

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
what a strange world we live in when games like those can be called crap...

DRAMA TRAIN WOO WOO! All aboard!

[KDR_11k]

Wii users want AAA games because the Wii is lacking those and there are no pricedrops on any games yet meaning you'll pay at least 50€ for a game, usually 60€, no matter how B or C grade it is. These games are expensive and only AAA really justifies that price. I've bought one game for my Wii (Rayman) excluding Sports and Play and I really regret it because there's no way that was worth 60€.

[Mario]

Should have bought Excite Truck.

[Infernal Monkey]

Confirmed.

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
what a strange world we live in when games like those can be called crap...

Well I figure since every single game released for a Nintendo system gets dumped on here (even as soon as they're announced!), we should give the other systems the same love!

Fun facts for NWR
- Wii's getting games featuring primary colours and characters that don't look like uncanny valley knobs, shock horror, so it's a kiddy console with no games. At all. There are zero games on Wii. Confirmed.
- Xbox 360 is getting almost nothing but burly men shooting eachother, so it's a mature console for elderly people and those who think wrestling is real. Confirmed.
- Squaresoft haven't made a good game since Rad Racer. Confirmed.
- PlayStation 3 is surviving on 360 ports and little else, so it's a super premium version of Xbox 360, made by Microsoft. Confirmed.
- Devil May Cry is about as fun as Metroid Prime, ie; not at all. Confirmed.
- Metal Gear Solid features less gameplay than a Mega CD game and a crappier storyline than any kids anime. Confirmed.

This is now a facts confirmed thread, plz continue!

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: Mario
Should have bought Excite Truck.

That wasn't released until about 2 months later.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix Heck if companies only did what the customer wanted we'd probably still be playing roll the stone tire down the hillside into neighboring village.

To be fair, that was life's killer app.

[Darkheart]

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Confirmed.

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Originally posted by: Pittbboi
what a strange world we live in when games like those can be called crap...

Well I figure since every single game released for a Nintendo system gets dumped on here (even as soon as they're announced!), we should give the other systems the same love!

Fun facts for NWR
- Wii's getting games featuring primary colours and characters that don't look like uncanny valley knobs, shock horror, so it's a kiddy console with no games. At all. There are zero games on Wii. Confirmed.
- Xbox 360 is getting almost nothing but burly men shooting eachother, so it's a mature console for elderly people and those who think wrestling is real. Confirmed.
- Squaresoft haven't made a good game since Rad Racer. Confirmed.
- PlayStation 3 is surviving on 360 ports and little else, so it's a super premium version of Xbox 360, made by Microsoft. Confirmed.
- Devil May Cry is about as fun as Metroid Prime, ie; not at all. Confirmed.
- Metal Gear Solid features less gameplay than a Mega CD game and a crappier storyline than any kids anime. Confirmed.

This is now a facts confirmed thread, plz continue!

-Mario Galaxy is nothing but a fancy physics wii tech demo Confimed
-Phantom Hourglass is a game made of PHAIL with shoehorned controls thrown in, the game was made in less than a month Confimed
-Excite Truck more like Bore Truck amirite? Confirmed
-No Rpgs ever for the Wii Confirmed
-Smash with no online Confirmed for a late 2020 release
-Sonic and the Secret Rings > Zelda Toilet Paper Confirmed
-Pro666 to become a NWR mod to delete all threads made of PHAIL Confirmed
-Dewy more kidde than Teletubbies Confirmed
-A Konami Sesame Street point and click adventure game Confirmed
-Capcom tries to change Wii demographic by making MEGAMAN XTREMZORZ X 2000 Confirmed
-Dance Dance Revolutionary FAILURE Confirmed
-The Wii is such a failure that it is now to be called the Sony Wii-S-3 Confirmed
-Not only does FFXII play itself, but does your laundry, flirts with your mom, and plays Elebits better than you. Confirmed

*UPDATED FACTS*

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
On the 3/9 episode of 1Up Yours, N'Gai Croal of Newsweek paraphrased President Reggie in an interview saying that he believes that if 3rd parties would stop putting their 3rd or 4th string dev teams to work on Nintendo platforms and instead put their top flight teams to task, they'd see better results.

Someone had to say it. I'm glad it was him.

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Originally posted by: Infernal Monkey
Nah, then the Wii would just be flooded with boring, 'deep' crap like Devil May Cry and Metal Gear.

If those games help sell Wiis and make the platform more appealing to other 3rd party devs who you like, then it's not a bad thing.

And don't be one of those people who says, "My console is better off without ____." That's GC fanboy rhetoric and we all know it.

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Originally posted by: darkheart
-Mario Galaxy is nothing but a fancy physics wii tech demo Confimed
-Phantom Hourglass is a game made of PHAIL with shoehorned controls thrown in, the game was made in less than a month Confimed
-Excite Truck more like Bore Truck amirite? Confirmed
-No Rpgs ever for the Wii Confirmed
-Smash with no online Confirmed for a late 2020 release
-Sonic and the Secret Rings > Zelda Toilet Paper Confirmed
-Pro666 to become a NWR mod to delete all threads made of PHAIL Confirmed
-Dewy more kidde than Teletubbies Confirmed
-A Konami Sesame Street point and click adventure game Confirmed
-Capcom tries to change Wii demographic by making MEGAMAN XTREMZORZ X 2000 Confirmed
-Dance Dance Revolutionary FAILURE Confirmed
-The Wii is such a failure that it is now to be called the Sony Wii-S-3 Confirmed
-Not only does FFXII play itself, but does your laundry, flirts with your mom, and plays Elebits better than you. Confirmed

*UPDATED FACTS*

PREACH IT, BROTHA!

[Ian Sane]

"And don't be one of those people who says, 'My console is better off without ____.' That's GC fanboy rhetoric and we all know it."

I agree.  There are no games where a console is worse off for having.  The console is only worse off if that game is what you get instead of something else.  If a developer is giving you the worst version of a multiplatform game or is giving you its worst stuff but not also its best then that game's presence is almost negative.  But it is still better than no game at all.

Listening to the customer was brought up and in general I don't think that one should completely cater to the fans' whims.  Fans always demand sequels and when they plan their "dream sequel" often it contains so many elements from the previous game(s) that is sounds almost like a remake.  Fans don't think outside of the box and specifically ask for new ideas.  They say they want the old but don't realize that that's not exactly what they want and if everything is just a glorified remake they'll get bored of it real quick.

However when it comes to negative feedback I think listening to the fans makes some sense.  If the fans are very vocal of their dislike for a feature then changing it isn't a bad idea.  I'm thinking stuff like awkward controls or a big change to the gameplay or a new element that isn't very good or a puzzle that is too abstract.  When Star Fox fans complain about on-foot missions that is an example where it makes sense to listen to the fans.  They're not designing the game then, they're just pointing out what they really don't like.  Or if a series has totally turned to crap both financially and commercially looking at the fans' tastes makes some sense too.  Again it isn't designing the game according to what the fans say they want.  Instead you look at what games in the series are still thought about fondly and which ones aren't.  The Sonic devs should note that the 3D Sonics are not very popular while the Genesis Sonics are considered classics.  They can use that sort of information to analyze the series and determine where things went wrong and why games from one era worked so well and games from another have not.

If Nintendo never listened to the fans then we never would have got A Link to the Past because they wouldn't have acknowledged the complaints about Zelda II.  But if you always listen to the fans then you're going to burn out the series in no time.

[Ceric]

Agreed.

[NWR_pap64]

I better explain my "Customer" metaphor.

Yes, getting feedback from the customer is GOOD. What I mean is that sometimes customers and fan bitch for the hell of it, that they just whine and bitch about it instead of truly explaining why the decision is a bad one and how it could affect the company.

So to sum it up:
- Randomly whining and bitching about games on the Wii: Not worth listening too deeply
- Worthwhile complains about how the friend system is troublesome: Sit up and listen

[Infernal Monkey]

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Originally posted by: darkheart

-A Konami Sesame Street point and click adventure game Confirmed

I CAN'T WAIT!
*Leaks insider infoz to Go Nintendo*

[Luigi Dude]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

But if you always listen to the fans then you're going to burn out the series in no time.

You just described Capcom in one sentence.  

[Djunknown]

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No offense, but B, C, and D...how can you list those as being "cool" when there's next to nothing known about them?

You weren't supposed to read the spoiler tags!

Seriously though, by using Killer 7 as a gauge, he'd have to be technically worse than that. I don't know how that's possible. Unless Suda 51 takes up crack as a pastime (Or the games get canceled), I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's way too young to be past his prime...

I'll give you Sadness though, we still don't know a whole lot about it. At its worse though, it could be another Red Steel.

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Where's the:

H) Dewey
I) Treasure Island Z
J) Dragon Quest Swords

Why, you just added them Bill! Add:
K)Oopona

[Innotech]

actually, I am 24 years old and I honestly find Dewy's adventure rather intriguing.  Its on my buy list definitely. But I do tend to like cute stuff in general. I really enjoyed elebits and I have al ot of faith in Konami to get this game right.  The style is like WindWaker and sorry for those of you who hated that game and style, I absolutely LOVED it.  Im sure Ill love this game too, unless its so broken its unplayable (see Sonic the Hedgehog on 360)